The Bachelorette Season 13

A great deal is being said, a lot of it contradictory almost in the extreme, and a lot that makes no sense at all (yes, it's a slow week so I've been :watch:this).

But, in the end there are multiple tapes of what happened before, during and after the incident at hand, so while the rest of us may never know for sure, the truth does exist.

And, as I said before, everyone involved had at least one if not multiple agendas that they are scrambling to protect and/or achieve here, which colours everything.
 
I've been really busy at work so haven't been able to keep up with the saga as I normally would have but did read the latest couple of blogs from Reality Steve and what I can gather is that the producer who filed the third party complaint is a friend of Corinne's and that she now has serious regrets ie she didn't think the show would be shut down when she made the complaint, obviously putting her out of a job and probably never being able to work in LA again.

I have a feeling once Evan & Carly's wedding is finished filming this weekend and the gang ie Fleiss, Chris Harrison, etc get back to the US, you'll see them go after Corinne big time. Either that or ABC will encourage a check to be cut with her name on it for it all to go away. Time will tell.
 
Reports are that there is a second complaint from another producer, although neither witnessed the incident (which seems weird if the first one is Corinne's producer as well as friend), nor have they seen the tapes. I wonder how common it is for crew to speak up when something happens they don't like, or was the producer taking matters into her own hands on behalf of a friend she thought would look bad once the show airs?

The other thing I find bizarre is Corinne's apparently upset because she was worried what her boyfriend back home would think. Um, scuse me? I won't even state the obvious other than if she does have a boyfriend, she and her camp shouldn't be mentioning it at all because it's certainly not helping her case.

Her lawyer is quoted as saying (paraphrasing) "something serious must've happened or they wouldn't have shut down production," which is a logical fallacy if I've ever seen one. My guess is the reason they shut down production is because when the higher ups got the formal complaint(s) then realized they'd pretty much shot a porn scene, they needed to take control immediately from the crew. What they might not have anticipated is that the whole thing would blow up before they had a chance to quietly sort it out and come up with a plausible story for what they yanked it.
 
They yanked it to protect themselves from liability.

If they thought they could continue, they likely would have.

I guess people (contestants?) on these shows don't think about how long these impressions of themselves, made to millions of people, could affect them into their future.
 
Liability to who? The participants sign massive contracts that basically free the producers and network of any responsibility short of criminal behaviour.

I think it's more likely that they were concerned about the network, sponsors and advertisers pulling their support, and on tarnishing their beloved Bachelor/Bachelorette brand, which despite everything, still pretends to be an innocent show about finding true love.

I don't know the laws, but there may also be issues around what they are allowed to film and air vs imply happens behind closed doors, and the local laws in Mexico.
 
Jenny said:
I think it's more likely that they were concerned about the network, sponsors and advertisers pulling their support, and on tarnishing their beloved Bachelor/Bachelorette brand, which despite everything, still pretends to be an innocent show about finding true love.

I don't know the laws, but there may also be issues around what they are allowed to film and air vs imply happens behind closed doors, and the local laws in Mexico.
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Except all they had to do was not show that footage on tv. They take lots of footage that never sees the light of day. If they never show it, they aren't breaking any laws or tarnishing any image.
 
Too much Kenny, Lee, Iggy drama for me last night but then that's the show now, all about the DRAMA and not about the actual "normal" people on the show.

Feel bad for Rachel that first her season has been over shadowed by what happened in Mexico and now the whole Lee is a racist story line.

That said, I'm still watching, mainly for Alex, Dean and Bryan. Oh and the random folks like Adam and Matt. And Adam Jr.
 
Looks like Bachelor in Paradise is about to resume, as Warner Brothers has concluded there was no sexual assault and at no time was anyone in danger - this link includes a link to their statement, which says there will be some changes though. Perhaps they plan to go the route of Big Brother and limit the alcohol in both amount and occasion?
 
Yeah that's my guess, that the unlimited flow of booze will be curtailed.

Be interesting to see what the response is from Corinne's camp is as they were going all in on the "victim" stuff last week but when Jasmine and Raven, who were there and witnessed the pool incident started to be heard in the media, camp Corinne went radio silent.
 
Seems like Corinne continues to be trouble, and DeMario should be invited back. I doubt he will though.
 
WRT liability, I thought maybe it was illegal to show porn on t.v. but then I do not know the laws. I get the concern over sponsors though, good point.

I wonder how much these people get paid to go on the show? I mean, they miss a heck of a lot of work time so they must be paid fairly well?
 
Winnipeg said:
I wonder how much these people get paid to go on the show? I mean, they miss a heck of a lot of work time so they must be paid fairly well?
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Word is there are two pay rates for folks. "Famous" people like Amanda, Robby, etc get a flat fee, no matter how long they last on the show. Have heard its around $25,000.

Lesser known folks get a fee per day meaning they only get paid for the number of days they last so they probably just are getting a free vacation to Mexico along with whatever money they make for lasting.

Alot of these folks now don't have regular 9-5 jobs where you would need to ask off from work. Most are "personal trainers", "beauty bloggers", etc. And if they do have jobs, some bosses are willing to let the employee go for the free publicity. That's how Tanner from a few seasons ago was able to get away for being on for 3 weeks when he got engaged to Jade--his boss at the car dealership wanted him to promote the car lot when he got back on social media and he did!
 
People Magazine has a bunch of articles about the show resuming.

Looks like Amanda, Raven, Jasmine, Vinny, Taylor, Lacey are on the way back.
http://people.com/tv/bachelor-paradise-cast-confirm-return-mexico-post-scandal/

Then the producers called around to a few former contestants who were not previously scheduled to see if they could go. For $12,500 with the possibility of earning more.
http://people.com/tv/bachelor-parad...ter-corinne-olympios-demario-jackson-scandal/

And via ET, Robby is not sure whether he is going back. http://www.etonline.com/news/219979...resuming_following_allegations_of_misconduct/

But US Weekly says Robby and DeMario have been asked back....
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...-invited-back-to-bachelor-in-paradise-w488974
 
I don't think Corinne should be invited back, she threatened and hired lawyers, but maybe they will negotiate her return for the draw and big hidden $$$. However, what about her real life boyfriend?

I also don't think DeMario should go back, and probably shouldn't be re-invited to keep things equal, but I bet he will. It might be the only way for him to keep his reputation going forward to make any money in tv.
 
Rob said:
Looks like Amanda, Raven, Jasmine, Vinny, Taylor, Lacey are on the way back.
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I won't be surprised if both Raven and Jasmine are rewarded for being pro-production with a nice Neal Lane ring at the end of the resumed filming. Things began to turn in the media when they spoke up, along with what was being released to Reality Steve.
 
I don't think Corinne should be allowed to go back because she has a boyfriend. If they found there was no wrong doing I don't see any reason DeMario should not be invited back.
 
Latest on TMZ is that DeMario is not going back (conflicting reports on whether or not he was invited), saying he doesn't like that his name will forever be associated with a sex scandal. Corinne's lawyer is still whining, but "sources" say her BF is sticking with her because they had a pact he does not consider broken because she was drunk. (He's either the world's most supportive BF, or the world's stupidest!)

Agree though that if the Bachelor franchise wants to continue their position that it's all about finding love, then Corinne should have never been on the show in the first place.

BIP better put on a helluva show right from the first ep, because this whole mess will bring a lot of curious new and lapsed viewers, and if they don't deliver, the ratings will dive.
 
RS had broke awhile ago that a bunch of girls from Nick's season were going to Paradise with "boyfriends" back home:

Corinne

Astrid & Alexis are dating guys from Dallas and are all over Social Media with them; Alexis was in the original group; Astrid was waiting in Mexico to be brought on with a couple of other Nick rejects after the first rose ceremony.

Kristina had been seeing Jef Holm but the word is she connected with one of Rachel's rejects during the 3 days filming was going on and is now with that guy. She could be another contender for the Neal Lane bling if that relationship keeps going during the resumed filming.

I expect Raven, Kristina and Jasmine to be the ones production pushes to the front, to get their "happily ever after" and appease the public. I might be wrong about Jasmine but she seems to be well liked by the producers so we'll see.
 
Winnipeg said:
WRT liability, I thought maybe it was illegal to show porn on t.v. but then I do not know the laws. I get the concern over sponsors though, good point.
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But they don't have to show it. So then it won't be on tv. (Technically, I don't believe it's illegal per se but the FCC would fine them something fierce if they did show two people actually having sex on network tv. On cable, no one would blink an eye. There are even porn channels on cable.)

Japanfan said:
For a crime that is relatively minor in the grand scheme of things.
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:eek: She conspired to cripple someone and at one point they talked about killing her. I don't think that's relatively minor in any scheme of things, grand or otherwise.
 
The going wisdom on this is that it was two (of many) producers who lodged the complaint with Warner Brothers, one being Corinne's producer and friend, but that neither of them actually witnessed what happened or saw the footage.

So, one does wonder what motivated them to file complaints, and what agenda they might have had for doing so. Was the friend taking some initiative to protect Corinne who she felt had gone to far or would look bad? Or did Corinne have regrets once everyone was talking about it and encourage the producer to do so, as a friend or even for a cut of the proceeds she might have hoped to have?

I had thought early on they might be local producers offended by what they were seeing, or that the show had violated local porn laws with a public display of sexual activity that was also being filmed. But that's not the case - they were already with the show and not locals.

As usual in these situations I'm less interested in what really happened (which seems pretty clear anyway) and more on how people react and why they react the way they do :watch:
 
This is my guess on what happened:

Corinne arrives in Mexico, determined to make a splash and get enough air time to get her very own reality TV show, like Ben/Lauren and the twins did on Freeform (the old ABC Family channel) or maybe even the holy grail of Reality TV, E! network.

So day one of filming, she gets trashed, makes out with multiple guys--according to those there, she was the aggressor, going up to them, initiating contact, etc. The cameras roll, its all caught on film including whatever happened in the pool with DeMario. She doesn't seem to be out of it so TPTB just go along with filming.

Now this is where I'm guessing but I think Corinne wakes up on Day 2, goes "oh no, that's not a good thing for my TV future, making out with multiple guys, getting it on with DeMario in the pool in PUBLIC, etc" so she has her BFF file the complaint to make sure that footage never airs. Complaint is filed, things spiral out of control, producer friend has ruined her career and Mike Fleiss will make sure Corinne never, ever gets her own reality TV show.

Here we are with filming to start tomorrow and Raven's chance to get that Neal Lane ring is back on.
 
MacMadame said:
:eek: She conspired to cripple someone and at one point they talked about killing her. I don't think that's relatively minor in any scheme of things, grand or otherwise.
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Wrong thread? Sounds like Tonya/Nancy, not BIP.
 
Agree, sounds like the skating whack story not this one (although this one is about a whacky person?).
 
Don't forget that there are two episodes this week--tonight and then on Tuesday as Fleiss and ABC don't want to show a new episode next Monday on July 3rd.

Looking forward to the gang moving on to Europe tonight. Spoiler pics that came out during filming show some seriously beautiful scenery.
 
I'm not sure why the producers thought casting a racist like Lee would work on this season. And stop lying on twitter, Chris Harrison, that you didn't know about Lee's racist tweets as anyone with a keyboard and google could find those.

Whoever came up with that storyline, I hope has been called out by ABC/Warner Brothers as its been not well received at all on social media. But I guess the only thing they care about is the ratings numbers and as long as those are decent, they won't change.

I ended up watching all of the Lee/Kenny moments with the mute button on and can't wait for the end of their date which hopefully won't be all of tonight's episode.

Starting to really like Rachel with Bryan but part of me is like Rachel: is it too good to be true!?!?
 
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