Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

[Karen-W]

Are you telling me they're gonna use Misha again in the team event after 2018? Isn't he the one who cost Russia the team gold? The pressure on Misha will be immense in the TE.

Aliev was used in the TE in 2018, not Kolyada. But, yes, the pressure will still be tremendous on him to skate better than he's been averaging in both segments of the TE.

 

[tony]

Aliev was used in the TE in 2018, not Kolyada. But, yes, the pressure will still be tremendous on him to skate better than he's been averaging in both segments of the TE.

Kolyada was used in both programs and bombed the SP.

 

[Vash01]

Aliev was used in the TE in 2018, not Kolyada. But, yes, the pressure will still be tremendous on him to skate better than he's been averaging in both segments of the TE.

Kolyada is not going to win an individual medal so this TE could be a great opportunity for him to skate his best in both SP and LP and help Russia win a team gold.

 

[Karen-W]

Kolyada was used in both programs and bombed the SP.

Why do I keep forgetting this? Yeah, he bombed and so far this season, his results in the SP are in the same bombing range. Tremendous pressure, indeed.

 

[Sylvia]

Top 9 women at Nationals (scored over 200):
1 Kamila VALIEVA Moscow 283.48 1 1
2 Alexandra TRUSOVA Moscow 248.65 5 2
3 Anna SHCHERBAKOVA Moscow 239.56 2 4
4 Adeliia PETROSIAN Moscow 233.97 6 3 (not ISU Sr. age-eligible)
5 Sofia SAMODELKINA Moscow 233.09 4 5 (not ISU Sr. age-eligible)
6 Sofia MURAVIEVA Moscow 230.31 3 7 (not ISU Sr. age-eligible)
7 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA Saint Petersburg 224.40 7 6
8 Maiia KHROMYKH Moscow 217.18 9 8
9 Kseniia SINITSYNA Moscow 204.61 8 9

FS protocols: https://fsrussia.ru/results/2122/rusnat2122/ENG/Women_FS_Scores.pdf

Too young to compete at Nationals this year (both qualified for JGP Final) but will contend for Junior Worlds at Junior Nationals (Jan. 18-22, 2022 in Saransk):
Sofia Akateva: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00111202.htm
Veronika Zhilina: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00111182.htm

 

[love_skate2011]

Samodelkina a few tenth points lower than Petrosyan just because you know of coaching name.
Im really not impressed with petrosyan, she gives me Satoko Miyhara vibes with her jumps. And sadly, I already picture a career ending hip injury before 18. You know "LOOP"

Samodelkina is athletic in built, which will help her, just look at Trusova. Is it True, Muarvieva tried in Eteris camp but was not selected and told to try again next time same with Zinina ? Maybe she will poach them this time or Samodelkina from Davydov ?

 

[yeslek]

But again, what is the purpose of the skate-off? It's not as if this competition was close. Shcherbakova is the reigning World Champion and she easily beat Tuktamysheva here.

If the competition featured a weird result where she couldn't be held up and Tuk snuck in for a medal, then I'd say 100% there would be a skate-off. But the National technical panel and judges had opportunity to not score Shcherbakova with 'clean' jumps that were short, +4 and +5, and 9.75's for PCS, but they did it anyways. And they didn't have to < Tuk's second 3A, but they did.

And tuk is the reigning world silver medalist and had higher scores and is healthier and more consistent than Both this year?

 

[yeslek]

Why would there be a skate off? Because Anna had a pretty average free skate? Every competition that they've been in at the same time Anna has won pretty comfortably. It's just the way it is.

Would Liza take the alternate position or would she be too upset by that?

She would for sure take it. IF the team is named to be Anna and trusova without another skate off then two people named to the team are practicing quads on serious injuries and the injury rate is high in the eteri camp.

 

[Scott512]

Kolyada is not going to win an individual medal so this TE could be a great opportunity for him to skate his best in both SP and LP and help Russia win a team gold.

Why would they give Misha both programs in the team event when he has a history of bombing including the team event from 2018? Time to develop some younger guys even as inconsistent as they may be. They are sending three Russian skaters so use other guys who will be around for another five years or so. Yeah I know they're all hit or miss for the Russian men. Let's see where the Russian men are at after Europeans.

Maybe slide KV over to the men's event for the team competition only.

Russia certainly is not a lock for the team gold like I thought they were 6 months ago. It's really up for grabs. And they are going to need a man or men to do decently enough in the team event not to kill their gold medal chances.

More team drama will be who gets to do the free skate for the ladies in the team event or do you just have KV do both?

Sasha really saved her season today. the question is how can she close the gap on Kamila by the Olympics while keeping Anna behind her?

 

[TAHbKA]

Kostornaya's new video questions and answers
Q: What is your least favourite element?
A: loop. Whenever I do it I think I've done it bad. And I can't do a cantilever - I don't understand which muscle to use and I end up just lying on the ice like a piece of snot.

Q: what was the best thing you bought?
A: A dog!

Q: The current image
A: My dad usually grows a beard before the New Year's and colours it to some silly colours. So coloured my hair as well since I don't compete right now anyway.

Q: goals
A: to stick around for another 4 years and get to the main competition

 

[Scott512]

Samodelkina a few tenth points lower than Petrosyan just because you know of coaching name.
Im really not impressed with petrosyan, she gives me Satoko Miyhara vibes with her jumps. And sadly, I already picture a career ending hip injury before 18. You know "LOOP"

Samodelkina is athletic in built, which will help her, just look at Trusova. Is it True, Muarvieva tried in Eteris camp but was not selected and told to try again next time same with Zinina ? Maybe she will poach them this time or Samodelkina from Davydov ?

Petro had a great score today. Samo is physically much bigger but she already does the ultra jumps and has a nice presentation. I like both. Both had outstanding first senior Nationals right?

Davydov is coming along as a coach.

AJ will have her hands full with petrol and Sofia plus Maya Dasha Kamila Anna Aliona and Sasha that's a lot of talent and even if this coach loses a couple of these ladies in the off-season which is possible she will still have a loaded roster of ladies plus atop a team and she'll probably want to get one of the Russian men to come over to her side so to speak.

 

[tony]

And tuk is the reigning world silver medalist and had higher scores and is healthier and more consistent than Both this year?

Anna is the reigning World Champion, so Tuk being 2nd means nothing in that sense. She also won Nationals three years in a row prior to this. So suddenly because Tuktamysheva doesn't beat her, she's at the same level? Second of all, Anna's LP best at Italy GP is way higher than what Tuktamysheva has done.

I know the Tuk love is strong here, and one by one people can come in and try to explain why she deserves another shot at the Olympic team, but Russia itself made this not even a close competition.

 

[Bulletsdad]

And tuk is the reigning world silver medalist and had higher scores and is healthier and more consistent than Both this year?

Tukt may get to skate when all is said and done. With the absence of masking at Russian Nationals, I wouldn't be surprised if we see several Russian withdrawals due to Covid. With a strict zero tolerance policy, Beijing ain't playin' the don't ask, don't tell Omicron game!

 

[kwanfan1818]

Skating both segments of the TE did not burn out Lipnitskaia: the media onslaught of the home TE gold did, and since Lipnitskaia skated both segments, there was no other Russian woman to share the attention, interviews, media following her every step, etc. The Ladies individual event was at the end of the OWG, and if Lipnitskaia had had a few days to cool off from the TE excitement and the rest of the time to concentrate on the individual event, she would have, as a 15-year-old, been just fine to compete a week later.

Sotnikova was pissed off that she did not get to skate in the TE, and it fueled her determination in the individual event. I haven't followed Valieva long enough to know how she would deal with a Chen-like poor showing or what drives her. But whether or not Women are split in the TE or Valieva skates both segments, you know that Trusova and/or Shcherbakova are going to come out fighting with that extra incentive, if they're left off the TE, and, especially, if Russia wins an expected gold.

 

[becca]

I think the Russian women and pairs deserve to have two spots.
Surprises though Russia isn’t lobbying to be allowed to switch off women for men though.

 

[Scott512]

Tukt may get to skate when all is said and done. With the absence of masking at Russian Nationals, I wouldn't be surprised if we see several Russian withdrawals due to *********. With a strict zero tolerance policy, Beijing ain't playin' the don't ask, don't tell Omicron game!

It was mind boggling without the masks wasn't it? Although the skaters had masks on after they performed and received their scores.

That's why I say the alternates in every discipline for every country has to show up to Beijing just in case. Wasn't aleona the alternate for worlds and she didn't even go to Stockholm?

 

[Scott512]

Skating both segments of the TE did not burn out Lipnitskaia: the media onslaught of the home TE gold did, and since Lipnitskaia skated both segments, there was no other Russian woman to share the attention, interviews, media following her every step, etc. The Ladies individual event was at the end of the OWG, and if Lipnitskaia had had a few days to cool off from the TE excitement and the rest of the time to concentrate on the individual event, she would have, as a 15-year-old, been just fine to compete a week later.

Sotnikova was pissed off that she did not get to skate in the TE, and it fueled her determination in the individual event. I haven't followed Valieva long enough to know how she would deal with a Chen-like poor showing or what drives her. But whether or not Women are split in the TE or Valieva skates both segments, you know that Trusova and/or Shcherbakova are going to come out fighting with that extra incentive, if they're left off the TE, and, especially, if Russia wins an expected gold.

It's OK then it was both the media harassment and skating both programs that wore down Julia.

Good point about how Adelina got fueled by being left off the team event.

At this point I think you give KV the SP in the team event and sasha the free skate at the team event if she does well at Europeans. But so much can happen from now until the Olympics. If blow out scores don't matter in the Olympic team event then maybe Anna gets the free skate. I mean Russia is going to win the ladies competition in the team event I would think that would be almost certain.

 

[kwanfan1818]

There won't be the home media presence in Beijing. Had 2014 been in Korea or Beijing, she wouldn't have had the same level of media harrassment. And whoever skates the TE in Beijing won't.

 

[olympic]

Observation. Forgive me but I haven't been paying attention to details from Russian women at all - Eteri skaters perform awkward combinations; They do this weird lurch forward with their bodies in between, bending at the waist, then they hurl themselves into the 2nd jump and their arms are all over the place. It's not very smooth. Lipnitskaya used to do it, and even Valieva does it, too. They also zig and zag into the Lutz and / or Flip. Shcherbakova on the Lutz / Flip does this distracting curl with her free leg at the entrance. It is a difference when you watch the JPN ladies when they skate well with their smoother transitions, albeit with simpler jumps.

 

[pointbleu]

I think the juniors are incredibly talented but they lack the sophistication of the older skaters. So I don't have a problem with this podium.

Muravieva is all about sophistication, poised, stretch and musicality. She is clearly a skater’s skater.

 

[Vash01]

Muravieva is all about sophistication, poised, stretch and musicality. She is clearly a skater’s skater.

She looked very good in the SP (and deserved the 2nd place, IMO). I was less impressed with her LP, although she was pretty good in it.

 

[aliona22]

She looked very good in the SP (and deserved the 2nd place, IMO). I was less impressed with her LP, although she was pretty good in it.

I think the version she skated on the JGP was much more cohesive and complete. The entire first minute of today’s program was built around getting the axels in and I think it detracted from the overall effect.

 

[On My Own]

I'm happy to see this Women's podium. I dislike Tuktamysheva's skating, and didn't think her LP should see the Olympic rink.

I don't think there should be a skate-off. And I don't see how Shcherbakova is going to lose to Hendrickx at Euros. She gets huge PCS even with a mistake, and she makes one mistake at most in a program (ignoring the URs that the TP ignores too anyway).

 

[zoe111]

i don't think there's any question that Valieva, Trusova, and Scherbakova are going to Euro's and Olympics unless one of them gets injured between now and then.

 

[On My Own]

Europeans team announced to be Valieva, Shcherbakova, and Trusova.

 

[Scott512]

I'm happy to see this Women's podium. I dislike Tuktamysheva's skating, and didn't think her LP should see the Olympic rink.

I don't think there should be a skate-off. And I don't see how Shcherbakova is going to lose to Hendrickx at Euros. She gets huge PCS even with a mistake, and she makes one mistake at most in a program (ignoring the URs that the TP ignores too anyway).

Loenas scores get puffed up too like shes an EG girl.

There won't be a skate off. Sasha save her Olympic season I mean they were playing Russian roulette kind of right at the beginning of the season having her skate on an injured foot? 2 trips to the United States in like a month with a bad foot that was risky business people. Now Sasha is back and could be the favorite for Olympic silver. Sasha keeps making up ground after the SP yes pay because she can put up such huge numbers and freestyle freestyle she needs to start doing better in her shorty.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed that we can get through the Olympic season with none of the skater is getting that bug or injured. The stress on all of them in all these countries must be incredible.

 

[olympic]

I'm happy to see this Women's podium. I dislike Tuktamysheva's skating, and didn't think her LP should see the Olympic rink.

Well, I would counter that Trusova's skating isn't really complete figure skating. It's an X-Sport like showcase of her bounding up and down an ice rink with an exhibition of daredevil tricks, and she does not showcase anything else. She even ignores her music. It's like background music you would watch at a Ninja Warriors event. Give her the TES if she deserves it, but I would dump her PCS marks

 

[Sasha'sSpins]

Europeans team announced to be Valieva, Shcherbakova, and Trusova.

I'm sad that Elizaveta won't get another shot at Euros, and didn't make the Olympic team.

 

[On My Own]

Well, I would counter that Trusova's skating isn't really complete figure skating.

I don't see why there's a "counter" for what is basically my likes and dislikes, that I provided without justification or reason. Yes, I do dislike Tuktamysheva's skating and program. We are allowed to dislike or like whatever we want, and want to see whatever we want at the Olympics.

However, since you did "counter" - tell me this. Do you think what Tuktamysheva does is "complete" figure skating? I wouldn't even call it glass-eighth-full skating. She has neither PCS, nor the TES to compete with any of the top 3. And yes, that program is a farce. It is an utterly insulting, racist bit of trash that shouldn't be allowed into Asia.

 

[Vash01]

Well, I would counter that Trusova's skating isn't really complete figure skating. It's an X-Sport like showcase of her bounding up and down an ice rink with an exhibition of daredevil tricks, and she does not showcase anything else. She even ignores her music. It's like background music you would watch at a Ninja Warriors event. Give her the TES if she deserves it, but I would dump her PCS marks

In that case they (whoever the judges were) should have done that to other 'jumps only' skaters like Nathan Chen in 2018, Boyang Jin in 2016, etc. The trend was set long ago. Don't penalize Sasha for being a fearless female.