Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

[Frau Muller]

What if Liza and sasha struggle today and finish behind Maya? Then weve really got a mess.

You must be behind…Sasha ended 2nd (multi-quads done) …Liza 7th (4th among eligible).

 

[Frau Muller]

I think the juniors are incredibly talented but they lack the sophistication of the older skaters. So I don't have a problem with this podium.

Except for Petrosian. Wow!

 

[angi]

They should do a skate-off between Anna and Liza, Anna doesn't have either reliable quads or a triple axel at this point and struggled with rotation today (didn't get called of course) and overall looked very labored even in her spins and footwork. Liza skated a bang on program (with room for improvement) and also scored well international all season. Depending on which one of them wins a skate-off - that's who the 3rd spot should go to.

 

[muffinplus]

I think the juniors are incredibly talented but they lack the sophistication of the older skaters. So I don't have a problem with this podium.

Maybe but how on earth did Anna manage to have as high of a tech score with that many issues in her tech content.. with no triple axel or quad. And Samodelkina had 3 quads but I'm guessing they gave her carrots

 

[Wyliefan]

Maybe but how on earth did Anna manage to have as high of a tech score with that many issues in her tech content.. with no triple axel or quad.

You know how.

 

[muffinplus]

I wonder if they will send both Anna and Liza to Euros, but it's honestly very hard to see them leaving Anna off the team since she is a Fed favorite

 

[Vash01]

Maybe but how on earth did Anna manage to have as high of a tech score with that many issues in her tech content.. with no triple axel or quad. And Samodelkina had 3 quads but I'm guessing they gave her carrots

Ted mentioned a few ur's when she finished, before the scores came up, I really liked the junior skaters though.

 

[tony]

They should do a skate-off between Anna and Liza, Anna doesn't have either reliable quads or a triple axel at this point and struggled with rotation today (didn't get called of course) and overall looked very labored even in her spins and footwork. Liza skated a bang on program (with room for improvement) and also scored well international all season. Depending on which one of them wins a skate-off - that's who the 3rd spot should go to.

I like Tuktamysheva's skating a lot more than Shcherbakova's, but really- Liza was not bang on today. Some of her jumps were tight and had little flow out, she had the stumble after the second Axel, and she was pretty slow. Yeah, she has a smart change of music at the end that makes people forget, but it wasn't one of her shining performances that we've seen throughout the last two seasons.

If they wanted to make it close, they could have potentially done so. They didn't.

Going into the event I'd say 90% of people were thinking it was between Trusova and Tuktamysheva for the final spot. Shcherbakova never seemed to be a question mark even with her imperfect Grand Prix season. But now that Trusova will certainly be sent, it falls back on Anna

 

[angi]

I like Tuktamysheva's skating a lot more than Shcherbakova's, but really- Liza was not bang on today. Some of her jumps were tight and had little flow out, she had the stumble after the second Axel, and she was pretty slow. Yeah, she has a smart change of music at the end that makes people forget, but it wasn't one of her shining performances that we've seen throughout the last two seasons.

I mostly meant "bang on" compared to what she usually produces and compared to what Anna produced. I think even with the issues you mentioned her FS should have scored higher than Anna's, not only because Anna was really off during pretty much every element but also because her scoring didn't reflect it.
I agree that they gave Anna an insane push here (same for Maiia - how that mess scored almost 148 is a mystery) but I still think Liza more than earned a skate-off.

 

[tony]

I mostly meant "bang on" compared to what she produced and compared to what Anna produced. I think even with the issues you mentioned her FS should have scored higher than Anna's

I don't disagree at all. I thought Liza (probably) should've been ahead in the LP. But this is a domestic competition less than two months before the Olympics. If they wanted to extend the drama of who would go, the officials and judges could've made it closer. But since they didn't (and it was 3rd vs. 7th), I don't see the purpose in them suddenly changing their minds and wanting further evaluation.

 

[rfisher]

I don't disagree at all. I thought Liza (probably) should've been ahead in the LP. But this is a domestic competition less than two months before the Olympics. If they wanted to extend the drama of who would go, the officials and judges could've made it closer. But since they didn't (and it was 3rd vs. 7th), I don't see the purpose in them suddenly changing their minds and wanting further evaluation.

And, Anna had a SP advantage. Let's face it. Liza blew it with her SP. If she'd been clean, it might be a different result.

 

[angi]

And, Anna had a SP advantage. Let's face it. Liza blew it with her SP. If she'd been clean, it might be a different result.

Overall Anna should have placed above Liza, but she should have been behind Valieva, Trusova, Petrosian, Samodelkina, Liza, and Muravieva in the FS, her FS score should have been 145-147 at best and even that's generous. She should not have ended on the podium either, it was completely undeserved considering what she put on the ice.
So fair scoring would have had Anna scoring higher than Liza by 2-4 points at best and more than deserving a skate-off.

 

[Karen-W]

I'm with @tony on this. The judges made it clear - they are 100% backing Team Eteri and Liza didn't do enough yesterday or today to make it close. I'm not even sure losing to Loena at Euros would be enough to knock Anna off the team in favor of Liza unless there is some undisclosed injury that is further aggravated in the next 5-6 weeks. Liza will be first alternate, unless Eteri politiks it hard for Maiia or Aliona.

Now, having said that, I do think that Anna has proven herself highly beatable by the likes of Kaori, Wakaba, Loena (and maybe even Alysa - we'll see how she's looking in a couple weeks), so the Olympic sweep is not the guarantee we thought it was even a month ago during the GP.

And who the heck knows what Russia will do with the TE. Maybe Kamila will be just fine with skating both segments and that will solve their conundrum with which two disciplines to sub in since Nikita's back clearly can't handle doing both and I'm certain that Moskvina is going to want both MishGal and BoiKoz used in both. Eteri will have to sacrifice either one of her girls' team medals or her daughter's team medal. Blood is thicker than water...

 

[love_skate2011]

Anna looks so labored, I think now or should I say this season
a 3 Quad is impossible for the Olympics, maybe two if she lands them. Saying that her score was too much, I was expecting a 150 at best, and Also Petrosyan is above Samodelkina.

Samodelkina was the most underscored here and would have won bronze.

 

[love_skate2011]

I'm with @tony on this. The judges made it clear - they are 100% backing Team Eteri and Liza didn't do enough yesterday or today to make it close. I'm not even sure losing to Loena at Euros would be enough to knock Anna off the team in favor of Liza unless there is some undisclosed injury that is further aggravated in the next 5-6 weeks. Liza will be first alternate, unless Eteri politiks it hard for Maiia or Aliona.

She looked labored and there seem like a tape ? Im not sure under her dress
A 3 Quad to Olympics I dont think will happen, same as with Kostornaia that it took time for her to regain her triple axels.

If Anna has an injury then she might withdraw Euros and it ends up as an unofficial 3 way skate off between Trusova-Tuk and Shcerbakova. Trusova has done enouigh and barring a quad meltdown Tuk will lose to her in Euros.

So if Liza wins bronze, it will come down to Tuk or Shcherbakova - in a council decision or secret skate off.

 

[tony]

Anna looks so labored, I think now or should I say this season
a 3 Quad is impossible for the Olympics, maybe two if she lands them. Saying that her score was too much, I was expecting a 150 at best, and Also Petrosyan is above Samodelkina.

If Anna has an injury then she might withdraw Euros and it ends up as an unofficial 3 way skate off between Trusova-Tuk and Shcerbakova. Trusova has done enouigh and barring a quad meltdown Tuk will lose to her in Euros.

So if Liza wins bronze, it will come down to Tuk or Shcherbakova - in a council decision or secret skate off.

But Tuktamysheva and her plummeting scores!

 

[love_skate2011]

But Tuktamysheva and her plummeting scores!

Tuk Im afraid is done - Plumetting is not even right to describe its DOWNHILL, even Ted keeps anticipating this as her last season or retirement.

She had only herself to blame for botching the SP, She could have won the bronze had the skating order changed

 

[rfisher]

Overall Anna should have placed above Liza, but she should have been behind Valieva, Trusova, Petrosian, Samodelkina, Liza, and Muravieva in the FS, her FS score should have been 145-147 at best and even that's generous. She should not have ended on the podium either, it was completely undeserved considering what she put on the ice.
So fair scoring would have had Anna scoring higher than Liza by 2-4 points at best and more than deserving a skate-off.

Russia only does skate offs if the results were close or a preferred skater wasn't on top. See the Russian cup final skate off for 2019 Worlds between Tuk and Med. Europeans will cement the decision they've probably already made.

 

[angi]

Russia only does skate offs if the results were close or a preferred skater wasn't on top. See the Russian cup final skate off for 2019 Worlds between Tuk and Med. Europeans will cement the decision they've probably already made.

It's not that I disagree with you, I just also hate it since it's so undeserved

 

[Scott512]

Anna vs Sasha will have skateoff at Europeans! I now have no idea who would do the LP in the Team Event. I think most assumed Anna would do it, but Sasha did finish 2nd at Nationals. RSF will let the results at Europeans decide who gets to compete in the Team Event.

Sasha has the higher scoring freestype and in the team event does it matter how much you blow out your competitions per discipline? If it does then you might want sasha since she has higher score in potential.

But yes it is kind of unthinkable that Anna may not be in the team event.

 

[Karen-W]

Sasha has the higher scoring freestype and in the team event does it matter how much you blow out your competitions per discipline? If it does then you might want sasha since she has higher score in potential.

But yes it is kind of unthinkable that Anna may not be in the team event.

No, all that matters is placement. But, with the way Anna skated today, I wouldn't dare use her in the FS for fear that she'd lose to the Japanese woman used (and possibly Alysa too). But, this is presuming that Eteri doesn't sacrifice one of her women's TE medal in favor of Daughter Diana's TE medal.

 

[Scott512]

It seems Sasha has her quads back. I am doubtful about Anna's. I am wondering if they may have a skate off later between Anna and Liza To determine the third spot? Sasha is solidly number two now.

Anna has always finished ahead of Liza When they enter the same event so no skate off.

But with what's going on in the world with injuries and sickness Liza or whoever the alternate is has to be ready and they have to have alternates for every discipline in Beijing. I mean look at Russian dance hardly any of their top teams are healthy and humming.

 

[Scott512]

No, all that matters is placement. But, with the way Anna skated today, I wouldn't dare use her in the FS for fear that she'd lose to the Japanese woman used (and possibly Alysa too). But, this is presuming that Eteri doesn't sacrifice one of her women's TE medal in favor of Daughter Diana's TE medal.

Did Anna just play it safe because KV was so far ahead?

If I know EG she may just have KV do both SP and the free. but doing both skates burnt Julia out after EG stiffed Adelina in the team event in 2014.

This push for Diana is perplexing allthough I guess having a couple top dance teams in Russia injured or sick has opened the door for her and gleb. They are a good young team but I never imagined they would be on the Olympic team let alone in the team event.

 

[Scott512]

IMHO, the only hope Liza has is if Anna were to lose to Loena at Europeans. If so, they might consider sending Liza to the Olympics. The only other thing they might do is have some sort of internal event, but I doubt they'll do that. The Japanese ladies have a 3A same as Tuk, and Higuchi will out score her if both are clean. Team Mishin did not have a good competition and I just don't see why they'd make concessions. Mishin needs to focus his attention on Kolyada. They need him to have a decent score in the TE.

What happened to team Mishin? Other than Liza I don't know. I guess Sofia did not do well.
What about the Mishin men? Didnt the young guy helped them get 3 spots at 11 at Olympics and worlds?

Are you telling me they're gonna use Misha again in the team event after 2018? Isn't he the one who cost Russia the team gold? The pressure on Misha will be immense in the TE.


The Russian ladies look invincible Russian pairs is very good Russian dance and men are the concern. I mean dance would be better if their top teams were healthy. Keep your fingers crossed for everybody heading into the Olympics. I was hoping we were gonna get a break with the worldwide bug like that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Coco]

I wonder what the results and scores would have been with an international panel of judges / callers. If someone can make a reasonable case that Liza and Anna should have been significantly closer, I'm thinking there should be a skate off. But I don't know if there will be.

 

[DreamSkates]

You know how.

Same way Kolyada is often held up (I didn't see his free skate at his Nationals...just referring to previous comps like Rostelecom).

 

[Scott512]

I wonder what the results and scores would have been with an international panel of judges / callers. If someone can make a reasonable case that Liza and Anna should have been significantly closer, I'm thinking there should be a skate off. But I don't know if there will be.

Why would there be a skate off? Because Anna had a pretty average free skate? Every competition that they've been in at the same time Anna has won pretty comfortably. It's just the way it is.

Would Liza take the alternate position or would she be too upset by that?

 

[love_skate2011]

I wonder what the results and scores would have been with an international panel of judges / callers. If someone can make a reasonable case that Liza and Anna should have been significantly closer, I'm thinking there should be a skate off. But I don't know if there will be.

they could have invited some international judges or callers
they have had Ted for what 3 years now as international commentator.

 

[rfisher]

What happened to team Mishin? Other than Liza I don't know. I guess Sofia did not do well.
What about the Mishin men? Didnt the young guy helped them get 3 spots at 11 at Olympics and worlds?

Are you telling me they're gonna use Misha again in the team event after 2018? Isn't he the one who cost Russia the team gold? The pressure on Misha will be immense in the TE.


The Russian ladies look invincible Russian pairs is very good Russian dance and men are the concern. I mean dance would be better if their top teams were healthy. Keep your fingers crossed for everybody heading into the Olympics. I was hoping we were gonna get a break with the worldwide bug like that doesn't seem to be the case.

Let's just say Team Mishin had a rough competition all around and leave it there.

 

[love_skate2011]

Comparing Kamila to a year younger skaters like Muravieva or Samodelkina
She is something special, a once in a decade or century skater.

It is difficult to skate clean and have both triple axels and quads, when you look at the men's struggle with having both these jumps
even Trusova, who has I repeat NEVER landed a triple axel despite her quad repertoire.

Kamila isnt skinny in built like Medvedeva, she is filled but at the same time athletic.
I think Kamila's secret is her legs, its long, so its good for spring in jumps, she has the same legs as her mother.
just " look at her position when she walks, its like a grasshopper" not in a demeaning way.

Trusova is pure athlletic in built I'll give her that, which I think contributes how fast she recovers from inujries.