Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

[becca]

In that case they (whoever the judges were) should have done that to other 'jumps only' skaters like Nathan Chen in 2018, Boyang Jin in 2016, etc. The trend was set long ago. Don't penalize Sasha for being a fearless female.

Personally I feel like if a skater goes out and does something extraordinary like five quads I am okay with them getting High performance marks. I would also be cool with them fixing the marks so that it’s understood someone with high level jump content isn’t going to have the same kind of transitions.

To me that is an extraordinary thing and it does translate to performance.

However I also want penalties for large amount of errors.

However I would like to see hard combos rewarded more.

This being said when a skater like Kamilla comes along who does beautiful skating transitions and high level content there should be a marked difference between her and the Trusovas

 

[soogar]

This being said when a skater like Kamilla comes along who does beautiful skating transitions and high level content there should be a marked difference between her and the Trusovas

There is. She has received record breaking scores this season. However if Trusova can lay down a multiple quad program at the games, she will be the rightful winner.

 

[Vash01]

There is. She has received record breaking scores this season. However if Trusova can lay down a multiple quad program at the games, she will be the rightful winner.

Trusova landed 4 out of 5 quads at the nationals and yet lost to Kamila by a huge margin. If she lands all 5 quads, it will not make up the difference. I would love to see the Quad Queen win the OGM but I don't think it will happen, unless

1)Kamila makes at least two major mistakes (not likely)
and
2) Sasha lands the 3A in the SP and LP (Not likely)- plus 5 clean quads.

I think Sasha may still revolutionize women's FS the way Nathan Chen did in men's. I am not sure if that would be good for the sport or not.

 

[becca]

There is. She has received record breaking scores this season. However if Trusova can lay down a multiple quad program at the games, she will be the rightful winner.

I think a three quad Kamilla with two triple axels should beat a five quad Trusova

 

[tony]

There is. She has received record breaking scores this season. However if Trusova can lay down a multiple quad program at the games, she will be the rightful winner.

No, don't think so. The stats are there to suggest otherwise. Valieva should easily win PCS and I don't really know of a single element Trusova does better. I don't really think +5's should ever be thrown out easily, but Valieva has a few elements where I wouldn't be mad about it, especially her 3A. That GOE alone should be way more than enough to boost her over Trusova, who is typically hunching forward on every single landing.

 

[becca]

No, don't think so. The stats are there to suggest otherwise. Valieva should easily win PCS and I don't really know of a single element Trusova does better. I don't really think +5's should ever be thrown out, but Valieva has a few elements where I wouldn't be mad about it, especially her 3A. That GOE alone should be way more than enough to boost her over Trusova, who is typically hunching forward on every single landing.

It reminds me of Goebel versus Yagudin.

This is a balanced sport. To be balance goes both wise. The best skaters aren’t necessarily the best artists or the best jumpers it’s who combines both aspects.

That’s what makes Kamilla so darn special. I would hate to see her retire.

 

[Tesla]

It reminds me of Goebel versus Yagudin.

This. Timothy Goebel was the Quad King, and he never won a gold. Trusova's skating is very much like his.

 

[becca]

This. Timothy Goebel was the Quad King, and he never won a gold. Trusova's skating is very much like his.

However in principle of Kamilla makes a lot of mistakes and no one else delivers a quad and Trusova lands multiple ones I am cool with her winning this is a sport

 

[olympic]

I don't see why there's a "counter" for what is basically my likes and dislikes, that I provided without justification or reason. Yes, I do dislike Tuktamysheva's skating and program. We are allowed to dislike or like whatever we want, and want to see whatever we want at the Olympics.

However, since you did "counter" - tell me this. Do you think what Tuktamysheva does is "complete" figure skating? I wouldn't even call it glass-eighth-full skating. She has neither PCS, nor the TES to compete with any of the top 3. And yes, that program is a farce. It is an utterly insulting, racist bit of trash that shouldn't be allowed into Asia.

I am sorry you looked at it that way. You seem triggered. I was just trying to contribute to this conversation about the Russian women and probably could have used different phraseology.

But now you are interested in my thoughts? I believe Tuk is more of a complete skater than the average Eteri skater. Great Mishin jump technique. Centered spins. Doesn’t catch the audience’s attention with bendy positions but connects by using a certain mature poise. I would rather watch her than others and considering her international support, so do many FS fans

What is racist about the program?

 

[hanca]

Trusova landed 4 out of 5 quads at the nationals and yet lost to Kamila by a huge margin. If she lands all 5 quads, it will not make up the difference. I would love to see the Quad Queen win the OGM but I don't think it will happen, unless

1)Kamila makes at least two major mistakes (not likely)
and
2) Sasha lands the 3A in the SP and LP (Not likely)- plus 5 clean quads.

I think Sasha may still revolutionize women's FS the way Nathan Chen did in men's. I am not sure if that would be good for the sport or not.

What you wrote is not correct.
If we are going to look why Kamila won over Sasha with such a huge margin, let’s start with the SP.
Kamila landed 3A. Sasha attempted and fell on 3A. That meant that Kamila led after SP.
In the FS, Kamila landed 3A and three quads. Sasha did not do 3A, she attempted four quads but landed only three. So even if we ignore the difference in GOE and PCS, surely you must see that Sasha did not do enough to beat Kamila. They landed the same amount of quads in the FS, but in addition to that, Kamila landed 3A in both her programs.

 

[olympic]

In that case they (whoever the judges were) should have done that to other 'jumps only' skaters like Nathan Chen in 2018, Boyang Jin in 2016, etc. The trend was set long ago. Don't penalize Sasha for being a fearless female.

I don’t pay attention to Boyang but re Nathan, there are subtle choreographic moments to his skating that admittedly aren’t #1 in PCS but outclass Trusova, even in 2018.

I really hope you aren’t accusing me of being anti-woman with your post

 

[rfisher]

No, don't think so. The stats are there to suggest otherwise. Valieva should easily win PCS and I don't really know of a single element Trusova does better. I don't really think +5's should ever be thrown out easily, but Valieva has a few elements where I wouldn't be mad about it, especially her 3A. That GOE alone should be way more than enough to boost her over Trusova, who is typically hunching forward on every single landing.

My wish is that Sasha will land the 3A in the short and go for 4 or 5 quads in the free so we have a real competition. I still think Kamila will win gold and I'm more than fine with that, but I hope Trusova makes it a closer, more exciting competition. I suspect she does as well. Lord, her parents will buy her a kennel of dogs if she does.

 

[Vash01]

I don’t pay attention to Boyang but re Nathan, there are subtle choreographic moments to his skating that admittedly aren’t #1 in PCS but outclass Trusova, even in 2018.

I really hope you aren’t accusing me of being anti-woman with your post

In 2018 Nathan had no subtle moments choreographically. He has come a long way since, but he was given high pcs that he didn't deserve in 2018, 2019. Trusova has a lot more choreography in her program, in addition to the 5 quads.

I don't know if you are anti-woman or not, but in general the tendency is to discourage women from doing the jumps men are doing. It is changing now but women are still expected to be 'pretty'.

 

[olympic]

In 2018 Nathan had no subtle moments choreographically. He has come a long way since, but he was given high pcs that he didn't deserve in 2018, 2019. Trusova has a lot more choreography in her program, in addition to the 5 quads.

I don't know if you are anti-woman or not, but in general the tendency is to discourage women from doing the jumps men are doing. It is changing now but women are still expected to be 'pretty'.

I recall connection to the music in 2018, but we are not going to see eye to eye. You mention 2019. If you are referring to the Woodkid program, I would say ‘What are you looking at?’ Because his Worlds LP moved Tat to tears. That is fine. It is all opinion and If you see choreography in Trusova’s programs, great too. I will grab a magnifying glass and continue searching for it

 

[Evanstonsktr]

About Trusova and her dogs: before Trusova skated her long program, there was a very brief shot of a young woman in the coaches' area behind the boards holding a small brownish dog. To me, it looked like a Yorkie. The implication was the woman was holding one of Trusova's dogs. Does anyone know who the woman holding the dog is, and if the dog belongs to Trusova? And what kind of dog it is?

 

[rfisher]

About Trusova and her dogs: before Trusova skated her long program, there was a very brief shot of a young woman in the coaches' area behind the boards holding a small brownish dog. To me, it looked like a Yorkie. The implication was the woman was holding one of Trusova's dogs. Does anyone know who the woman holding the dog is, and if the dog belongs to Trusova? And what kind of dog it is?

That was Tutberidize's dog which was a gift from Trusova. It travels to all events with her now. And, comes to the rink every day (actually all of them bring their dogs periodically). Trusova has a Chi, a Poodle, and a Husky.

 

[Karen-W]

In 2018 Nathan had no subtle moments choreographically. He has come a long way since, but he was given high pcs that he didn't deserve in 2018, 2019. Trusova has a lot more choreography in her program, in addition to the 5 quads.

I don't know if you are anti-woman or not, but in general the tendency is to discourage women from doing the jumps men are doing. It is changing now but women are still expected to be 'pretty'.

Huh? His Nemesis SP is really quite good, even without the jumps, as witnessed by the many comments this season when his Eternity/Nemesis mashup SP makes the switch at the start of the footwork. Folks basically were like "uhm, just bring back all of Nemesis, please" because it was a good program (not as good as his Caravan SP the next season or La Boheme). He had plenty of choreography and excellent skating, including very good, well-centered spins, even in 2018.

 

[Cherub721]

About Trusova and her dogs: before Trusova skated her long program, there was a very brief shot of a young woman in the coaches' area behind the boards holding a small brownish dog. To me, it looked like a Yorkie. The implication was the woman was holding one of Trusova's dogs. Does anyone know who the woman holding the dog is, and if the dog belongs to Trusova? And what kind of dog it is?

The girl holding the dog was Diana Davis.

Related, I noticed today that for the medal ceremony Sasha changed back to the Cruella dress with her dogs names on it.

 

[giselle23]

Trusova landed 4 out of 5 quads at the nationals and yet lost to Kamila by a huge margin. If she lands all 5 quads, it will not make up the difference. I would love to see the Quad Queen win the OGM but I don't think it will happen, unless

1)Kamila makes at least two major mistakes (not likely)
and
2) Sasha lands the 3A in the SP and LP (Not likely)- plus 5 clean quads.

I think Sasha may still revolutionize women's FS the way Nathan Chen did in men's. I am not sure if that would be good for the sport or not.

She landed 3 out of 4 quads at Nationals. I think if she does 5 quads, she could beat a clean Valieva in the long program. She doesn't need the 3A in the long but does in the short. And it wasn't really Nathan alone who revolutionized men's skating. Hanyu started it with two quads in the short program and three in the long. Boyang Jin also played a role with his 4-lutz. Nathan just added on from there.

 

[SmallFairy]

Samodelkina has all the amo needed Can’t wait to follow her going forwards!

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[love_skate2011]

She landed 3 out of 4 quads at Nationals. I think if she does 5 quads, she could beat a clean Valieva in the long program. She doesn't need the 3A in the long but does in the short. And it wasn't really Nathan alone who revolutionized men's skating. Hanyu started it with two quads in the short program and three in the long. Boyang Jin also played a role with his 4-lutz. Nathan just added on from there.

A 5 Quad will not beat 3 Quads and a triple axel, the base value can be bumped by the GOE a skater gets like Kamila, If Kamila adds another triple axel in the FS, Nobody can touch her even Trusova. Frankly, even if Trusova lands triple axel in the short and 5 Quads FS she will Not, Will Not Beat a clean Valieva.

 

[tony]

She landed 3 out of 4 quads at Nationals. I think if she does 5 quads, she could beat a clean Valieva in the long program. She doesn't need the 3A in the long but does in the short. And it wasn't really Nathan alone who revolutionized men's skating. Hanyu started it with two quads in the short program and three in the long. Boyang Jin also played a role with his 4-lutz. Nathan just added on from there.

I mean, Kevin Reynolds was technically the person who 'revolutionized' the short program if you're going solely by two quads, and he did it in 2010. Not Hanyu. While we are at it, why not mention Brandon Mroz as the one who did the first (two) 4Lz jumps? His mother surely would like that.

Jin was really the first one, not by much, who was throwing in 4+ quad programs IIRC. I think Konstantin Menshov was trying 3+ quad programs and maybe did it one time. Javier Fernandez was trying and doing 3 by 2012 or 2013. But then Chen and Hanyu and even Uno came in shortly after with their own arsenals- Hanyu being the first loop, Uno being the first 'flip', etc.

Timothy Goebel was often doing three quads in a program (albeit only two different types) by 1999.

 

[love_skate2011]

Samodelkina has all the amo needed Can’t wait to follow her going forwards!

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Samodelkina is also the most richest, she lives in Russia's elite posh neighborhood and has all the celebrity connections, not sure that it matters. But she has better prospects in her skating career than say Petrosyan or Akatieva, Muravyeva is very good too though.

 

[SmallFairy]

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Samodelkina is also the most richest, she lives in Russia's elite posh neighborhood and has all the celebrity connections, not sure that it matters. But she has better prospects in her skating career than say Petrosyan or Akatieva, Muravyeva is very good too though.

I don’t care too much for money,
Money can’t buy you quads…

 

[love_skate2011]

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I don’t care too much for money,
Money can’t buy you quads…

Im saying she can foot the bill herself, she has quads and money. The richest russian figure skater at the moment by birth.

 

[Scott512]

Samodelkina has all the amo needed Can’t wait to follow her going forwards!

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Agreed. She already has a lot now she just needs more maturity. She also seems to be a lot stronger physically than the other 14 or 15 year old girls. I can't wait to see when she becomes a real Challenger to the TT Sofia.

 

[Karen-W]

Im saying she can foot the bill herself, she has quads and money. The richest russian figure skater at the moment by birth.

In that regard, it does help explain why she is with Davydov rather than Tutberidze or Plushenko. She doesn't need to sign any ridiculous contract giving up 40% of her future earnings to Team Eteri and she doesn't need to drive out to the boondocks of Moscow to train at AoP.

 

[Cachoo]

Europeans team announced to be Valieva, Shcherbakova, and Trusova.

I would not send them. If I believed this was my Olympic team and that team, with the same coach, has a chance for a sweep they are going into a NBA style bubble complete with coaches and support staff until the Olys. Send others instead.

 

[Scott512]

Im saying she can foot the bill herself, she has quads and money. The richest russian figure skater at the moment by birth.

How do you know she's rich? SS really seems like a hungry figure skater always wanting to improve and do more she's not spoiled by any means. I can't wait to see how good and dangerous she becomes.

 

[Scott512]

I would not send them. If I believed this was my Olympic team and that team, with the same coach, has a chance for a sweep they are going into a NBA style bubble complete with coaches and support staff until the Olys. Send others instead.

Where is there going to be a bubble Europeans or Beijing?

You make an interesting point because the pandemic is changing everything. Why risk this team? But the Olympics aren't for almost two months right so the skaters would get very Rusty without Europeans.