Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

[Karen-W]

Valieva is a protected person. She can’t cheat she can only be the victim of cheaters so she can’t be disqualified

That's not what the protected person status means and it's shameful that you continue to defend any of these cheaters or their coaches and support personnel.

 

[caseyedwards]

That's not what the protected person status means and it's shameful that you continue to defend any of these cheaters or their coaches and support personnel.

“Nevertheless, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) determined that, as Valieva qualified as a protected person, she should not be provisionally suspended and should be allowed to continue to compete.

It appears that CAS are now prepared to be more lenient with younger athletes who receive a positive test and that they may allow such protected persons to continue to compete whilst investigations into how it came to be that a banned substance was found in the relevant sample are finalised. This perhaps shows an acknowledgement by CAS of the vulnerability of young athletes when it comes to doping.”

There is also not one shred of evidence anywhere she was seeking out doping materials like lance Armstrong or Marion Jones or sun yang

 

[skatfan]

“Nevertheless, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) determined that, as Valieva qualified as a protected person, she should not be provisionally suspended and should be allowed to continue to compete.

It appears that CAS are now prepared to be more lenient with younger athletes who receive a positive test and that they may allow such protected persons to continue to compete whilst investigations into how it came to be that a banned substance was found in the relevant sample are finalised. This perhaps shows an acknowledgement by CAS of the vulnerability of young athletes when it comes to doping.”

There is also not one shred of evidence anywhere she was seeking out doping materials like lance Armstrong or Marion Jones or sun yang

CAS’s consideration of a protected person has only been shown to be relevant while the investigation takes place, not to the punishment when doping has been determined.

And the evidence in Russia has been shredded already I’m sure. Like there was any incentive to look very hard for it.

 

[Japanfan]

IF you publicly espouse another religion, most rabbis of all denominations will say you are no longer Jewish. A formal religion. The millions of Jews practicing yoga are ok.

What about being Jewish in terms of ethnicity? I don't think one can just stop being of a certain ethnicity, unless one has an adopted an ethnicity not native to that person? I don't think once can stop being Russian Jewish in terms of heritage for example, no more than one can stop being Irish or Jamaican or Kenyan, etc.

 

[just tuned in]

^ Well, they cannot take away your DNA, obviously. I wonder what individuals of Jewish heritage -- whose ancestors were Jewish -- but who themselves practice Christianity would like to call themselves.


(Yikes on the thread drift.)

 

[PRlady]

^ Well, they cannot take away your DNA, obviously. I wonder what individuals of Jewish heritage -- whose ancestors were Jewish -- but who themselves practice Christianity would like to call themselves.


(Yikes on the thread drift.)

Christians.

My husband’s immigration lawyer is Catholic and so are his parents, but his paternal grandparents were Jewish and converted. So his ancestry.com says he is at least 50% Ashkenazi Jewish but he is IDed as a Catholic of Polish descent.

 

[Vagabond]

Historically, Jews have defined themselves as a people, not an ethnic group.

 

[skatingguy]

Historically, Jews gave defined themselves as a people, nor an ethnic group.

Sorry @Vagabond I think you're missing a word or two.

 

[Vagabond]

Sorry @Vagabond I think you're missing a word or two.

Nope, I just typed one letter when I meant to type another.

 

[tony]

Nope, I just typed one letter when I meant to type another.

Still is confusing. (Gave —> have) but makes more sense now.

 

[On My Own]

nor -> not. Clearly. Didn't think there was a confusion, tbh.

Oh he edited it in too.

 

[Nadya]

Russia shouldn't even been at the Olympics, with their state-run doping.

Why were doping bans overturned on 28 out of 39 Russian athletes?

It's hard to have confidence in the system that's wrong 75% of the time.

^ Well, they cannot take away your DNA, obviously. I wonder what individuals of Jewish heritage -- whose ancestors were Jewish -- but who themselves practice Christianity would like to call themselves.


(Yikes on the thread drift.)

Meshumads.

 

[skatingguy]

Why were doping bans overturned on 28 out of 39 Russian athletes?

It's hard to have confidence in the system that's wrong 75% of the time.

Because the evidence - the database of athletes that were involved in the state-sponsored doping - was deliberately altered by Russian officials, and the original information has never been handed over to world anti-doping officials.

 

[sk9tingfan]

A Kenyan long distance runner has been provisionally been suspended for a blood sample containing the same drug as that found in Valieva's blood sample.

https://twitter.com/olyphil

 

[Karen-W]

A Kenyan long distance runner has been provisionally been suspended for a blood sample containing the same drug as that found in Valieva's blood sample.

https://twitter.com/olyphil

And this has zero impact on Valieva's case, since I'm sure several trolls will come here to remind us that she is a protected person.

 

[MacMadame]

And this has zero impact on Valieva's case, since I'm sure several trolls will come here to remind us that she is a protected person.

Even if she wasn't, there would be no impact on her case. It's just interesting because it implies that the drug is being used more widely than just by Eteri's camp.

 

[Karen-W]

Even if she wasn't, there would be no impact on her case. It's just interesting because it implies that the drug is being used more widely than just by Eteri's camp.

Which would be part of the reason why it's banned by WADA.

 

[MacMadame]

Which would be part of the reason why it's banned by WADA.

Assuming WADA is justified in everything it bans. It sometimes isn't.

 

[becca]

I don't think Jewishness has anything to do with being raised in Judaism. Secular Jews are still Jews. As far as I know, you can't really stop being Jewish if you don't practice or if you practice something else.

There are a lot of cultural Muslims, cultural Catholics, Baptists etc and yes cultural Jewish people. Jewish is different because It’s kind of in some cases an ethnicity. (Not for all because there are converts)

There is a difference though between not practicing your religion and actively picking another one

I do think you can say Irina has some Jewish roots. But she is not Jewish.

 

[Sylvia]

WADA reveals over 200 Russian athletes now been sanctioned in Moscow Laboratory probe (May 19):

WADA reveals over 200 Russian athletes sanctioned in Moscow Laboratory probe

More than 200 Russian athletes have been sanctioned as part of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s investigation into the Moscow Laboratory in 2019, it has...

www.insidethegames.biz

WADA has announced that the number of sanctions issued by Anti-Doping Organisations (ADO) based on data and samples retrieved from the "Operation LIMS" probe had reached a "significant milestone" by passing the 200-mark.
According to WADA, 203 athletes from Russia have been sanctioned by 17 ADOs.
It also revealed that an additional 73 athletes had been charged and another 182 cases remained under investigation.
The sanctions come after work by the WADA Intelligence and Investigations team to collect data and samples form the Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS) of the Moscow Laboratory four years ago.

Gunter Younger, director of the WADA Intelligence and Investigations team, added: "WADA Intelligence and Investigations is pleased to have crossed this significant landmark of 200 successfully sanctioned cases.
"However, there is still a lot of work ahead of us.
"Operation LIMS has required significant operational cooperation from Anti-Doping Organizations and other stakeholders.
"The success of this operation is due in large part to the investment that WADA and the anti-doping community have made in intelligence and investigations and demonstrates what can be achieved through effective collaboration."
The Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) remains non-compliant with the World Anti-Doping Code after it was found by WADA to have manipulated Moscow Laboratory data in an attempt to cover-up state-sponsored doping.
Grigory Rodchenkov was the former head of the Moscow Laboratory before fleeing to the United States and turning whistleblower in 2015 when he provided much of the evidence against Russian athletes accused of engaging in doping at the 2014 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games in Sochi.
Rodchenkov remains in hiding at an undisclosed location.

 

[Alilou]

I am reminded of what Alex Schwazer said in his Running For My Truth documentary. He asked a Russian athlete (or perhaps more than one) how they kept winning and the reply was "Training, vitamins, and doping". Straight up out front with it.

 

[Sylvia]

I was wondering what Kamila was doing in South Korea (banner pic is from her latest Instagram story): https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1662432779705937921
"Jeonnam Sports Association has invited Kamila Valieva for an event in Mokpo city."

 

[nyrak]

Valieva is a protected person. She can’t cheat she can only be the victim of cheaters so she can’t be disqualified

Do you think it was coincidental that she was the one who was doping? Or should I say was doped? I don't believe for a second she took her grandpa's heart medication by mistake, she was doped as part of the win at any cost scheme. If she couldn't be disqualified as a minor, all the better.

 

[Sylvia]

Russian Figure skating team doctor at the Olympics in Beijing, Filipp Shvetsky, has filed a lawsuit against the publication “Ugol Zreniya” in Tolyatti to protect his honor, dignity, and business reputation. (translation of a TASS article dated May 29)

“I love my profession and consider it necessary to remove suspicion from myself, excluding myself from the list of suspects in the case of Kamila Valieva.” Team doctor Filipp Shvetsky has filed a lawsuit against the media for calling him “Doctor Dopi

Russian Figure skating team doctor at the Olympics in Beijing, Filipp Shvetsky, has filed a lawsuit against the publication

fs-gossips.com

 

[coppertop1]

Do you think it was coincidental that she was the one who was doping? Or should I say was doped? I don't believe for a second she took her grandpa's heart medication by mistake, she was doped as part of the win at any cost scheme. If she couldn't be disqualified as a minor, all the better.

I think this is probably the case. It's not a stretch to think they doped a minor because they knew there was a chance they could have away with it.

 

[caseyedwards]

Do you think it was coincidental that she was the one who was doping? Or should I say was doped? I don't believe for a second she took her grandpa's heart medication by mistake, she was doped as part of the win at any cost scheme. If she couldn't be disqualified as a minor, all the better.

Yes it’s all a coincidence and she is victim of anti Russia hysteria

 

[Sylvia]

"The article is getting quite a lot of views and angry responses, so hopefully there will be a follow-up that will reveal why these domestic organizations were involved in her [Valieva's South Korean] trip." (says the 3rd tweet) - this article is translated from Korean into English in 2 tweets: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1663273226502393856

 

[soogar]

https://twitter.com/im_yesu_ju/status/1662793440097366020/photo/3

I'm confused because those photos from this post are from their trip to Mongolia where they held the master class and exhibition. At least that's where those were credited when they first were posted.

 

[Sylvia]

Tweeted today: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1663521188377763842

Just to clarify. MHN Sports (from the 1st article) has called the Jeonnam Sports Association, and they had no clue about any of this. They don't know why they were named (afaik, the hotel that hung the banner said to someone on the phone that they were the ones who requested it).

(Will translate it when I can, just wanted to add that information here because it seems the Jeonnam Sports Association isn't involved.)

Looks like the photos (Korean banner hung outside a hotel(?) building and the ones in the tweet above as well as the 2nd tweet from yesterday) have been combined. There was an ice show of Russian athletes in Mongolia, held in Ulaanbaatar on May 5-6: https://twitter.com/Solo_peccator/status/1663370281702809601
Tuktamysheva's photos from Mongolia: https://www.instagram.com/p/CsCFSaENvWM/

 

[Sylvia]

Photos & quotes from Chock/Bates' keynote session in NYC today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1648323857936269312

https://twitter.com/aMikeGreen/status/1648326107614068738

Thanks for the heads up in the C/B fan thread, @dancing_on_ice!

PCC 2023 Keynote Video - PCC - Global Anti-Doping Research Grants for Scientists and Researchers

PCC 2023 Keynote Video Why Effective Anti-Doping Programs Matter to Athletes with Olympians Madison Chock and Evan Bates Click here for slides

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The video of the keynote they gave last month at the Partnership for Clean Competition is now online.