2022 Olympic FS Team Event delayed medal ceremony - updates

[Jammers]

Isn't Bach on his way out next year?

 

[VALuvsMKwan]

Isn't Bach on his way out next year?

Apparently the current head of FIG (gymnastics) has announced interest in replacing him. This does not give me great cause for celebration (not that Bach should remain, far from it).

 

[skatefan02]

Sydney 2000 - Women's 200 m
Marion Jones - Doping

Does anyone know why it took so long to re-allocate this medal given the wrongdoing was admitted around 2006 according to Wiki?

 

[skatingguy]

Does anyone know why it took so long to re-allocate this medal given the wrongdoing was admitted around 2006 according to Wiki?

It seems the medal was lost in the mail on it's way to Jamaica.

“I mean, I thought it was never going to happen. It’s been a long time … 24 years. They said they sent my medal in the post to Jamaica, apparently years ago, and I guess they misplaced it. But my husband [former sprinter Raymond Stewart] is the one that has kept fighting for it, and the IOC finally has delivered it.”

She finished fourth behind a notorious drug cheat. Now she finally has her Sydney bronze

Ten Olympians who were cheated out of their moment of glory at Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and London 2012 have received their medals during a special reallocation ceremony in Paris.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Skate Talker]

Never mind - sorry

 

[Marco]

Sydney 2000 - Women's 200 m
Marion Jones - Doping

Beijing 2008 - Women's Long Jump
Tatyana Lebedeva - Doping

London 2012 - Men's Weightlifting 85 kg
Apti Aukhadov - Doping
(multiple athletes were disqualified for doping, but the others didn't impact the medals)

Men's High Jump
Ivan Ukhov - Doping

Men's Weightlifing +105 kg
Ruslan Albegov - Doping
(multiple athletes were disqualified for doping, but the others didn't impact the medals)

Women's 1500 m
Asli Cakir Aiptekin - Doping
Gamze Bulut - Doping
(multiple athletes were disqualified for doping, but the others didn't impact the medals)

Women's 400 m Hurdles
Natalya Antyukh - Doping

I feel bad for the athletes who didn't get their medals / recognition until this Olympics due to these above doping incidents and the resulting loss in funding / prizes / commercial opportunities / motivation to continue etc. My guess is they could have asked for a higher coaching fee if they became a coach and were an Olympic medalist. These can't possibly be calculated or repaid. Better late than never I suppose.

These were all 12-24 years ago. In comparison, the US and JPN skating teams didn't have to wait so long.

 

[Frau Muller]

I feel bad for the athletes who didn't get their medals / recognition until this Olympics due to these above doping incidents and the resulting loss in funding / prizes / commercial opportunities / motivation to continue etc. My guess is they could have asked for a higher coaching fee if they became a coach and were an Olympic medalist. These can't possibly be calculated or repaid. Better late than never I suppose.

These were all 12-24 years ago. In comparison, the US and JPN skating teams didn't have to wait so long.

In the case of the runner Marion Jones, the loss of income led to financial crime which led to jail. Sad story. Regaining her medals & status now hasn’t made it to this Wikipedia biography but you can read the story here. Somebody with the full knowledge needs to update this entry.

Marion Jones - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MacMadame]

Not sure where to put this but I think it explains some of the CAS decisions at the 2022 Olympics.

The push to strip Jordan Chiles of her Olympic medal smells awfully foul​

The court that ruled against Jordan Chiles is a hive of cronies and insiders, established and steered by the IOC and various sports federations as cover.

https://wapo.st/3AyekdV (gifted)

 

[Alilou]

Not sure where to put this but I think it explains some of the CAS decisions at the 2022 Olympics.

The push to strip Jordan Chiles of her Olympic medal smells awfully foul​

The court that ruled against Jordan Chiles is a hive of cronies and insiders, established and steered by the IOC and various sports federations as cover.

https://wapo.st/3AyekdV (gifted)

And the decision to leave the team bronze with Russia instead of awarding it to Canada.

 

[MacMadame]

And the decision to leave the team bronze with Russia instead of awarding it to Canada.

Yes!

Though from what the article says, I think it depends on which fat cats they sent to Beijing and whose pocket they were in. Which does not reflect well on them.

Given that CAS is the last resort in the chain of sports decisions, they should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.

 

[Firedancer]

Interview with Alexa and Brandon while they were in Paris:

Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier's reactions to long-awaited Olympic gold medal and what they hoped was learned - Figure Skaters Online

During a reallocation ceremony in Paris, Knierim and Frazier – along with seven other members of the team – were awarded their gold medals.

figureskatersonline.com

 

[BittyBug]

It says a lot about how much the Knierams value their animal companions that Chris was in Paris but flew home before the medal ceremony to be with their dog in his final moments.

 

[caseyedwards]

And the decision to leave the team bronze with Russia instead of awarding it to Canada.

The whole Russia team wasn’t disqualified. No reason to give anything to Canada

 

[Frau Muller]

I wonder if the bronze medals have been mailed to the Russian team members (other than Valieva)? Knowing the Russian post, the best option would be for an ISU member to take it by hand to Moscow.

 

[skatfan]

Wrong thread

 

[Kasey]

I wonder if the bronze medals have been mailed to the Russian team members (other than Valieva)? Knowing the Russian post, the best option would be for an ISU member to take it by hand to Moscow.

No offense meant to you @Frau Muller , but really, who cares? They are stolen medals gotten by cheating, and I really couldn't give a rat's ass if they ever get them.

 

[Frau Muller]

No offense meant to you @Frau Muller , but really, who cares? They are stolen medals gotten by cheating, and I really couldn't give a rat's ass if they ever get them.

Bronze medals were a big deal with Chiles and the two Romanians. Just sayin’.

 

[VALuvsMKwan]

Bronze medals were a big deal with Chiles and the two Romanians. Just sayin’.

Am I mistaken in thinking that your current husband is Russian? If so, perhaps you and he could volunteer for a private courier mission on behalf of the IOC to deliver them.

 

[Karen-W]

Regardless of whether we think the ISU/IOC/CAS got the math wrong, they're the bronze medalists. The rest of the team has been punished more than their share for Team Eteri's greedy transgression in having Valieva skate when they knew they didn't have a doping test result for her. The reality is, had the ROC used any other woman in the TE no one would have had to go through this whole mess the past 2.5 years. The only place where the rest of the skaters will be viewed/feted as "Olympic Champions" is in Russia. The rest of the world and the history books will forever call them bronze medalists and they're going to have to bear the shame of a team member having doped. It's harmless to ask if they've received their medals yet as that is the final piece of closure to this sad saga.

 

[coppertop1]

Regardless of whether we think the ISU/IOC/CAS got the math wrong, they're the bronze medalists. The rest of the team has been punished more than their share for Team Eteri's greedy transgression in having Valieva skate when they knew they didn't have a doping test result for her. The reality is, had the ROC used any other woman in the TE no one would have had to go through this whole mess the past 2.5 years. The only place where the rest of the skaters will be viewed/feted as "Olympic Champions" is in Russia. The rest of the world and the history books will forever call them bronze medalists and they're going to have to bear the shame of a team member having doped. It's harmless to ask if they've received their medals yet as that is the final piece of closure to this sad saga.

How have they been punished? They got the bronze based on a technicality when they were lucky not to be disqualified. And they're I going to act like victims. They have no shame.

 

[Frau Muller]

Cross posting from an older thread -

Excellent interview with Vincent Zhou in This Week in Figure Skating (8-21-24 episode), about the 2022 Olympic Team reallocation event and the doping situation in some countries. Very intelligent and outspoken young man.

This Week in Skating Podcast

Listen to This Week in Skating Podcast on RedCircle

redcircle.com

 

[Marco]

How have they been punished? They got the bronze based on a technicality when they were lucky not to be disqualified. And they're I going to act like victims. They have no shame.

Well the rules weren't clear enough about disqualification of the entire team and reallocation of ranking points upon the finding of just one team member doping, and that's why it has taken so long and multiple proceedings to arrive at where we are. Not everyone is / has to be happy with the decision but it's final. I hope they will know to revise the rules now that the mess is over.

If I were empowered to make the decision I would give Canada the bronze, but I weren't, so here we are. I understand the frustration though - The ROC literally had nine fingers on the team gold. It was so far ahead that either Trusova or Shchberkova would have individually or jointly gotten the job done, even with a few mistakes each, or if either of them had participated in one portion of the team event with Valieva partcipating in the other. It is not the other team members' fault that one member doped and it is not the ROC's fault that they picked someone who subsequently was revealed to have doped. If Valieva was revealed to have doped before the team event started, none of this would have happened. This is on the lab. Or on COVID.

But I agree that, with one team member having doped, they don't deserve to act like victims. They lucked out on keeping the bronze.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I mean, I wouldn't be so quick to absolve ROC of fault on doping. The other athletes, maybe, but the OC? Nah. Not in Russia.

 

[Karen-W]

I mean, I wouldn't be so quick to absolve ROC of fault on doping. The other athletes, maybe, but the OC? Nah. Not in Russia.

True enough. If we all think back to that day/night when the reports first surfaced of a positive doping test, the not-so-wild speculation was Katsalapov because of his chronic back issues, and then that quickly morphed into Kondratiuk because of the erroneous reports in Russia media that it was marijuana. Not that we'll ever be sad for that incorrect reporting as it gave us the Weed Jesus nickname.

 

[Firedancer]

We also remember Zhulin’s comments before Valieva was identified that all the Russian coaches thought it was their skater

 

[Vagabond]

I recognize that not everyone reads the Russian Skating News thread, so I will link to an interview that was discussed there:

“After competitions or at camps alcohol flows freely. One official banquet after international competitions even ended with calling in strippers.” Sofia Baranova about pills to lose weight and athletes’ parties

Translation of the interview with Sofia Baranova who unveils the truth about behind-the-scenes of Russian figure skating.

fs-gossips.com

Pills. Bisacodyl, furosemide. I never took furosemide, but bisacodyl — yes, athletes take it in excessive amounts. Girls from CSKA advised it to me, giving me five pills at once because that’s how many they consumed themselves. I heard some took eight or nine. The consequences from furosemide are even worse. Although it exists in figure skating (furosemide is banned as doping both in the competitive and non-competitive periods — Ed. “SE”)

I doubt that the issue among Russian figure skaters is confined to CSKA or to women and girls.

 

[PRlady]

Bisocodyl is what they give you to empty you out before a colonoscopy. For those of us old enough to have endured that, think about taking that every day and what it would do to your digestive system.

 

[purple skates]

It is not the other team members' fault that one member doped and it is not the ROC's fault that they picked someone who subsequently was revealed to have doped. If Valieva was revealed to have doped before the team event started, none of this would have happened.

Honestly? I can’t believe that any of them were clean. She just got caught.

 

[Karen-W]

Honestly? I can’t believe that any of them were clean. She just got caught.

I don't believe any of the Moscow-based skaters representing Russia either in the TE or the individual disciplines were clean except maybe Trusova. There are some trusted FSU posters who have solid Russian connections who STRONGLY asserted at the time that she was clean - her family would never have allowed her to dope. Now, whether they honestly believed she was clean while Team Tutberidze was doing whatever they needed to do surreptitiously is an entirely different question but I'm inclined to think she was as clean as one can be. Same with Moskvina's teams. Perhaps that's naive, I dunno.

 

[Firedancer]

I don’t believe any of them were clean. And I don’t think anything has changed so I don’t think any other current Russian athletes are clean either.