Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

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caseyedwards

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That's not what the protected person status means and it's shameful that you continue to defend any of these cheaters or their coaches and support personnel.
“Nevertheless, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) determined that, as Valieva qualified as a protected person, she should not be provisionally suspended and should be allowed to continue to compete.

It appears that CAS are now prepared to be more lenient with younger athletes who receive a positive test and that they may allow such protected persons to continue to compete whilst investigations into how it came to be that a banned substance was found in the relevant sample are finalised. This perhaps shows an acknowledgement by CAS of the vulnerability of young athletes when it comes to doping.”

There is also not one shred of evidence anywhere she was seeking out doping materials like lance Armstrong or Marion Jones or sun yang
 

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“Nevertheless, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) determined that, as Valieva qualified as a protected person, she should not be provisionally suspended and should be allowed to continue to compete.

It appears that CAS are now prepared to be more lenient with younger athletes who receive a positive test and that they may allow such protected persons to continue to compete whilst investigations into how it came to be that a banned substance was found in the relevant sample are finalised. This perhaps shows an acknowledgement by CAS of the vulnerability of young athletes when it comes to doping.”

There is also not one shred of evidence anywhere she was seeking out doping materials like lance Armstrong or Marion Jones or sun yang
CAS’s consideration of a protected person has only been shown to be relevant while the investigation takes place, not to the punishment when doping has been determined.

And the evidence in Russia has been shredded already I’m sure. Like there was any incentive to look very hard for it.
 

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IF you publicly espouse another religion, most rabbis of all denominations will say you are no longer Jewish. A formal religion. The millions of Jews practicing yoga are ok.
What about being Jewish in terms of ethnicity? I don't think one can just stop being of a certain ethnicity, unless one has an adopted an ethnicity not native to that person? I don't think once can stop being Russian Jewish in terms of heritage for example, no more than one can stop being Irish or Jamaican or Kenyan, etc.
 

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^ Well, they cannot take away your DNA, obviously. I wonder what individuals of Jewish heritage -- whose ancestors were Jewish -- but who themselves practice Christianity would like to call themselves.


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^ Well, they cannot take away your DNA, obviously. I wonder what individuals of Jewish heritage -- whose ancestors were Jewish -- but who themselves practice Christianity would like to call themselves.


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Christians.

My husband’s immigration lawyer is Catholic and so are his parents, but his paternal grandparents were Jewish and converted. So his ancestry.com says he is at least 50% Ashkenazi Jewish but he is IDed as a Catholic of Polish descent.
 

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Historically, Jews have defined themselves as a people, not an ethnic group.
 
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Russia shouldn't even been at the Olympics, with their state-run doping.
Why were doping bans overturned on 28 out of 39 Russian athletes?

It's hard to have confidence in the system that's wrong 75% of the time.
^ Well, they cannot take away your DNA, obviously. I wonder what individuals of Jewish heritage -- whose ancestors were Jewish -- but who themselves practice Christianity would like to call themselves.


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Meshumads.
 

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Why were doping bans overturned on 28 out of 39 Russian athletes?

It's hard to have confidence in the system that's wrong 75% of the time.
Because the evidence - the database of athletes that were involved in the state-sponsored doping - was deliberately altered by Russian officials, and the original information has never been handed over to world anti-doping officials.
 

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I don't think Jewishness has anything to do with being raised in Judaism. Secular Jews are still Jews. As far as I know, you can't really stop being Jewish if you don't practice or if you practice something else.
There are a lot of cultural Muslims, cultural Catholics, Baptists etc and yes cultural Jewish people. Jewish is different because It’s kind of in some cases an ethnicity. (Not for all because there are converts)

There is a difference though between not practicing your religion and actively picking another one

I do think you can say Irina has some Jewish roots. But she is not Jewish.
 

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WADA reveals over 200 Russian athletes now been sanctioned in Moscow Laboratory probe (May 19):
WADA has announced that the number of sanctions issued by Anti-Doping Organisations (ADO) based on data and samples retrieved from the "Operation LIMS" probe had reached a "significant milestone" by passing the 200-mark.
According to WADA, 203 athletes from Russia have been sanctioned by 17 ADOs.
It also revealed that an additional 73 athletes had been charged and another 182 cases remained under investigation.
The sanctions come after work by the WADA Intelligence and Investigations team to collect data and samples form the Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS) of the Moscow Laboratory four years ago.
Gunter Younger, director of the WADA Intelligence and Investigations team, added: "WADA Intelligence and Investigations is pleased to have crossed this significant landmark of 200 successfully sanctioned cases.
"However, there is still a lot of work ahead of us.
"Operation LIMS has required significant operational cooperation from Anti-Doping Organizations and other stakeholders.
"The success of this operation is due in large part to the investment that WADA and the anti-doping community have made in intelligence and investigations and demonstrates what can be achieved through effective collaboration."
The Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) remains non-compliant with the World Anti-Doping Code after it was found by WADA to have manipulated Moscow Laboratory data in an attempt to cover-up state-sponsored doping.
Grigory Rodchenkov was the former head of the Moscow Laboratory before fleeing to the United States and turning whistleblower in 2015 when he provided much of the evidence against Russian athletes accused of engaging in doping at the 2014 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games in Sochi.
Rodchenkov remains in hiding at an undisclosed location.
 

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I am reminded of what Alex Schwazer said in his Running For My Truth documentary. He asked a Russian athlete (or perhaps more than one) how they kept winning and the reply was "Training, vitamins, and doping". Straight up out front with it.
 

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Valieva is a protected person. She can’t cheat she can only be the victim of cheaters so she can’t be disqualified
Do you think it was coincidental that she was the one who was doping? Or should I say was doped? I don't believe for a second she took her grandpa's heart medication by mistake, she was doped as part of the win at any cost scheme. If she couldn't be disqualified as a minor, all the better.
 

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Russian Figure skating team doctor at the Olympics in Beijing, Filipp Shvetsky, has filed a lawsuit against the publication “Ugol Zreniya” in Tolyatti to protect his honor, dignity, and business reputation. (translation of a TASS article dated May 29)
 

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Do you think it was coincidental that she was the one who was doping? Or should I say was doped? I don't believe for a second she took her grandpa's heart medication by mistake, she was doped as part of the win at any cost scheme. If she couldn't be disqualified as a minor, all the better.
I think this is probably the case. It's not a stretch to think they doped a minor because they knew there was a chance they could have away with it.
 

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Do you think it was coincidental that she was the one who was doping? Or should I say was doped? I don't believe for a second she took her grandpa's heart medication by mistake, she was doped as part of the win at any cost scheme. If she couldn't be disqualified as a minor, all the better.
Yes it’s all a coincidence and she is victim of anti Russia hysteria
 

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Tweeted today: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1663521188377763842
Just to clarify. MHN Sports (from the 1st article) has called the Jeonnam Sports Association, and they had no clue about any of this. They don't know why they were named (afaik, the hotel that hung the banner said to someone on the phone that they were the ones who requested it).

(Will translate it when I can, just wanted to add that information here because it seems the Jeonnam Sports Association isn't involved.)

Looks like the photos (Korean banner hung outside a hotel(?) building and the ones in the tweet above as well as the 2nd tweet from yesterday) have been combined. There was an ice show of Russian athletes in Mongolia, held in Ulaanbaatar on May 5-6: https://twitter.com/Solo_peccator/status/1663370281702809601
Tuktamysheva's photos from Mongolia: https://www.instagram.com/p/CsCFSaENvWM/
 
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Thanks for the heads up in the C/B fan thread, @dancing_on_ice!

The video of the keynote they gave last month at the Partnership for Clean Competition is now online.
 
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