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There is Minsk, Baku, Kishenev, Tbilisi, Yerevan, Helsini... not further away than the rest of 2/3 of Russia..
Ah that's true!
There is Minsk, Baku, Kishenev, Tbilisi, Yerevan, Helsini... not further away than the rest of 2/3 of Russia..
This is what I wonder about. There must be some punishment for Russia’s actions, but either athletes like Bukin are clean, and they were not allowed to participate in the Olympics, or they’re not and shouldn’t be allowed to compete at Worlds, either. That, to me, needs an explanation.Do we actually know for a fact that there was no explanation for individual athletes? I know that Bukin, for example, said there weren't but I also doubt they would have disclosed it if they were given a reason and I assume that Wada can't comment about issues of individuals as to not violate their privacy so they can't really refute those claims.
And that's not helping either.... Because instead of letting Russian entities find the guilty parties and take actions, it creates Nationalistic sentiment and all-russian belief that this is russophobia.The media reaction, generally, in the US is to pound WADA for not doing a complete ban. Sample: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-favor-russia-over-clean-athletes/2628490001/
How are they going to do that if they were so invested in trying to tar the whistleblower? Who could trust that?And that's not helping either.... Because instead of letting Russian entities find the guilty parties and take actions, it creates Nationalistic sentiment and all-russian belief that this is russophobia.
And that's not helping either.... Because instead of letting Russian entities find the guilty parties and take actions, it creates Nationalistic sentiment and all-russian belief that this is russophobia.
First, the "whistle blower" Rodchenkov was very aggressive against WADA and IOC, called western officials all sorts of profanities in public, and resisted in every way, when the scandal started in ~ 2013-2015.How are they going to do that if they were so invested in trying to tar the whistleblower? Who could trust that?
It is a question of logistics. How do you get the samples from Russia to the European testing sites within the required 24 hour window?
That was FINA though, not WADA, wasn't it? And WADA appealed to CAS over the most recent issue with him. So it's a false comparison.And so Justin Gatlin will run in the Olympics and when he inevitably wins gold the US press will celebrate him, while in the same breath screaming bloody murder that innocent Russian athletes should have been banned altogether. The hypocrisy is astounding.
WADA continues to hunt Russia and yet China stands there unscathed and uninvestigated. Can you imagine if it had been a Russian swimmer with a positive test and RUSADA giving them a cutesy little 3-month ban that happened to coincide with off-season and never telling WADA? Talk about a nuclear fallout. And yet there was hardly a blink when China did it.
The ladies who are winning now were 9 and 10 years old during Sochi. They were (still are) children. Innocent children suffering from the consequences of what adults have done and that they had no part in. Well, it's very on-brand for the world in general, but you'll never get me to agree it's right.
I don't trust WADA as far as I could throw them. Ivan Bukin never got an explanation. I fully expect that sort of thing will happen again - a clean skater who's never had so much as a question mark over a test and wasn't in Sochi will be refused and WADA won't tell them why and give them no recourse. And then someone's Olympic dream will be stolen from them through no fault of their own, and they will be forced to sit home and watch convicted dopers compete for other countries.
First of all, there is no inevitable in sports. Secondly, the US media is constantly bringing up the suspicion of doping when they write about Gatlin and it will be much worse now that the Nike Oregon Project has been disbanded and its head coach suspended.And so Justin Gatlin will run in the Olympics and when he inevitably wins gold the US press will celebrate him,
Yes, I posted about the CAS hearing last month here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...ampionships-thread.105806/page-2#post-5694989That was FINA though, not WADA, wasn't it? And WADA appealed to CAS over the most recent issue with him.
But the media is missing a point for sake of "sensation": WADA found Rusada in full compliance. The Head of Rusada, Ganus, gave a full explanation and admission to the manipulation, and a proof that the data was not in their control. The manipulation was done by a "renegade group" inside the organization not related to "sports" because the "data" was officially under the investigation. WADA reviewed and accepted the proof, and declared Rusada as a "no-fault" agency.Well, of course, but you can't expect the media in other countries to say ho, hum, we won't do a story expressing our outrage because the Russians will get even worse.
Yes, we do.Do we actually know for a fact that there was no explanation for individual athletes? I know that Bukin, for example, said there weren't but I also doubt they would have disclosed it if they were given a reason and I assume that Wada can't comment about issues of individuals as to not violate their privacy so they can't really refute those claims.
Yuri Ganus, the head of Russian anti-doping agency RUSADA, has been one of the few critical voices inside Russia.
“The problem is that we have four years ahead of us and for now, judging by the reaction of the current sports authorities, I don’t see any prospect of resolving these issues,” Ganus told Reuters.
RUSADA is set to be stripped of its accreditation for the second time in four years as part of the same doping sanctions.
Ganus pointed to what he said was an unhealthy culture among Russia’s sporting authorities which he said was resistant to change. Officials had used destructive methods to handle a crisis that could have been resolved by honestly addressing issues, he said.
Source was this Dec. 6th article that I posted in the Other Sports forum thread last night:“I don’t think we need to... try to find those guilty in other countries and say that the main source of evil is the West or the East, or anyone else,” he said. “That’s nonsense. The main problem is our culture, the culture inside the sports world.”
Ganus said he hoped President Vladimir Putin, who has yet to comment on WADA’s recommendations to punish Russia, would order serious reform of the country’s sports administration.
“In our country with these traditions, autocratic and bureaucratic, the presidential level is needed to make decisions to change,” he said. “I really hope that the time has come for serious changes.”
How do you know this?Yes, we do.
No explanation was given.
From the athletes themselves.How do you know this?
Because Stolbova and Bukin sent many inquiries and never received a reply, and said so publicly. They also prepared a claim to CAS, but it was too late to send it before the Olympics 2018. It would cost them money, but even if decided in their favor would still not solve anything.How do you know this?
Nothing.I am curious what -- if anything -- will happen to Alexander Lakernik, ISU First Vice President of Figure Skating. He's been smart and influential as figure skating has undergone changes this decade.
While this is right in general, it's not exact either.But the media is missing a point for sake of "sensation": WADA found Rusada in full compliance. The Head of Rusada, Ganus, gave a full explanation and admission to the manipulation, and a proof that the data was not in their control. The manipulation was done by a "renegade group" inside the organization not related to "sports" because the "data" was officially under the investigation. WADA reviewed and accepted the proof, and declared Rusada as a "no-fault" agency.
If the world's sports organizations' intent is to prevent doping and cheating, then the Russian Rusada and ROC should be allowed to fix the problem with the "other organization" and find the guilty parties and to punish them.
But with headings such as "Russians cheat - blanket ban" without addressing the details of the internal issues, it creates more resistance inside Russia to punish the guilty parties who are NOT part of the sport, and not "a Kremlin entities", but rather personally interested individuals.
How would you like to be the parent of an hysterical 15 or 16 year old who has never done anything wrong that somebody else just fecked with your life and career and did it when you were just a little kid?
Again, athletes stating they were given no reason doesn't mean that they actually weren't given any reason. Did we expect them to come out and say "they told me I'm suspended for failing a test after competition X" for example? It's pretty obvious it's not in their best interest to come out and say it. My point is that while the athletes said they were given no reason it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.From the athletes themselves.
How do you know this?
The answer of WADA doesn't go directly to the athletes individually, but passes through official channels. Therefore there are enough people on the way who know exactly what is said and what is not.How do you know this?
I would be all for Russian officials and judges getting banned, too.
So the head of RUSADA himself says there's a problem in the Russian sports world, a problem of culture, that in Russia's authoritative system can only be solved from the top down, i.e. by Putin. First of all, he's a brave man and from me. But it also says that the "corrupt individuals" theory is also flawed, if Ganus himself admits to a systemic problem.Source was this Dec. 6th article that I posted in the Other Sports forum thread last night:
Russia braces for four-year Olympic ban over doping scandal
Russia could be hit with a four-year Olympic ban on Monday for flouting anti-doping rules, a punishment local officials have said would be unfair and part of a malicious Western attempt to destroy sport in the country.www.reuters.com