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[Karen-W]

would they send Cho / Adcock and Lim / Quan??

Per the announcement, yes, they would. Lim/Quan are the highest ranked Korean dance team and the announcement basically says that Cho/Adcock are already registered as a new pairs team with the ISU.

 

[seabm7]

would they send Cho / Adcock and Lim / Quan??

In the KSU news, it was mentioned there is only one official Korean pair (i.e., Cho/Adrock) who will be sent to the Team Trophy. About ice dance, KSU will follow ISU World Standing Points ranking.

 

[Karen-W]

In the KSU news, it was mentioned there is only one official Korean pair (i.e., Cho/Adrock) who will be sent to the Team Trophy. About ice dance, KSU will follow ISU World Standing Points ranking.

Same for singles, also taking into consideration who finished top 6 at Korean Nats.

But, for dance, it all but assures Lim/Quan of going since they're the highest ranked Korean dance team by a wide margin.

 

[Sylvia]

I was happy to find these 2 Yonhap articles in English following the return home of the TWO newly crowned World silver medaists!

Junhwan Cha:

With world silver medal in tow, figure skater Cha Jun-hwan wants to improve at own pace | Yonhap News Agency

By Yoo Jee-ho SEOUL, March 27 (Yonhap) -- At age 21 and with his first world championshi...

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I didn't think about medals or scores. I just wanted to execute things that I had practiced," Cha told reporters at Gimpo International Airport in western Seoul on Monday, with the silver medal around his neck. "And I was extremely satisfied because I was able to do just that. I was a bit surprised with how high my free skate score was. But more so than the score, I was just so happy to have done everything I'd worked on."

Asked where he'd most like to improve going forward, Cha said, "Everything."
"I'd like to get better technically, but at the same time, it's important to have quality execution of all technical elements," Cha said. "I don't want to push myself too hard and try to do too much. I want to do the best I can while staying within myself."

Haien Lee:

World championship medal erases self-doubt for figure skater Lee Hae-in | Yonhap News Agency

By Yoo Jee-ho SEOUL, March 27 (Yonhap) -- Despite her recent international success, Sout...

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There were times when I had doubts about myself, but I learned at this competition that I can do so much on the ice," Lee told reporters at Gimpo International Airport in western Seoul after returning from the International Skating Union (ISU) World Figure Skating Championships.
"I feel rewarded for not giving up after a slow start to this season," the 17-year-old added.
With a personal-best total of 220.94 points, Lee became the first South Korean figure skater to win a world championship medal since Kim Yu-na won gold in 2013.

ETA link to Golden Skate’s chat with Haein - “Lee touches upon the season and her goals moving forward. She also talks about what style of music she'd like to skate to, her favorite hobbies, and more.”

Hae-in Lee ì´í´ì¸ â 2023 Worlds post-chat

A brief chat with the 2023 Worlds silver medalist Hae-in Lee of South Korea. The 17-year-old from Seoul became the first South Korean skater to win a world m...

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[gotoschool]

I think Haien Lee should have won the World Championships and she would have won with fair scoring. Haein Lee's scores were deflated in tech, PCS and GOE compared to Kaori in both the SP and LP and Haein Lee performed cleaner routines by executing more triple jumps with higher base value in executed elements. While Kaori performed very well and had a bit more speed, I think Haein Lee had more beautiful grace, smoother fluidity, more erect posture and less overt pumping of the body to gain speed with more engaging musicality and more intricacy in her step sequences which to me were more attuned to the music and even in Japan she brought the crowd to their feet with a standing ovation. I would have Haein Lee winning in PCS especially in the long, but in any case I think there is no justification for Kaori receiving 5 points higher in PCS across the SP and LP (2-3 points higher in each program), especially since this is more than the difference in their final scores.


In terms of tech scores, Kaori's suspect lutz edge was ignored and she was given a high GOE of around +2 for it in both the SP and the LP. To my eyes, Kaori also had a hooked landing (ur) on a triple jump combo ignored in the long program. Even with what I believe are these beneficial calls, Kaori's base value in the LP based on executed elements was still a full 7 points lower than Haien Lee, and this doesn't consider the overly harsh q call and low GOE of -.1 on Haien's beautiful triple lutz / triple loop combo which further deflated Haein's score in addition to the obvious PCS deflation. This manipulation reduced Kaori's 7 points deficit in executed element in tech for the LP to only around 2 points for the overall score, which was an arranged change that was also more than the final difference in scores between Kaori and Haein Lee for the SP and LP.

I think further evidence of the scoring manipulation which was decisive in depriving Haein Lee of the World Championship is suggested by the decision to remove the most viewed Womens figure skating World Championship video on youtube along with the comments, which had the greatest criticism of the scoring with many commenters expressing their view that Haein Lee should have won the World Championship and these comments also had the most likes. Such obvious censorship and silencing of the free expression of opinion is like a silent confession of manipulation in my opinion.

 

[On My Own]

I think Kaori rightly won. I was happy for Haein being the first woman since Yuna, but her skating skills and presence on ice still read generic, almost junior, to me. Kaori's jump technique apart from Lutz is also far superior, she goes into jumps with far more speed, the height and distance are far greater, the outflow is far and away the best in the world. She holds that 2A landing for nearly 5 seconds. Her spins are done with technical precision, even if I'm not a fan of the positions. I do agree though that the judging at worlds was a mess.

ETA: Congrats to the Korean senior team, but the medals were rather hollow to me with the skating they put up. Enjoyed Shin Jia much more, which shouldn't be happening given she's a junior.

 

[skatingguy]

I think further evidence of the scoring manipulation which was decisive in depriving Haein Lee of the World Championship is suggested by the decision to remove the most viewed Womens figure skating World Championship video on youtube along with the comments, which had the greatest criticism of the scoring with many commenters expressing their view that Haein Lee should have won the World Championship and these comments also had the most likes. Such obvious censorship and silencing of the free expression of opinion is like a silent confession of manipulation in my opinion.

What video are we talking about here? The World Championship events are still up on YouTube including the Women's Free Skate, and Haein Lee's Free Sakte.

 

[zebobes]

Now that we have great South Korean and Japanese skaters, I'm dreading that we are going to have a replay of the Yuna Mao fan wars from years gone by. Can't we just appreciate all of the skaters? I guess this is what drives engagement, but I definitely don't enjoy all the conspiracy theories over aggressive behavior during practices and imagined snubs that will probably come along.

With Jia Vs. Mini Mao developing in juniors, it might make things even worse...

 

[On My Own]

Now that we have great South Korean and Japanese skaters, I'm dreading that we are going to have a replay of the Yuna Mao fan wars from years gone by.

I don't think it will happen. A big chunk of Yunabotting happened because she was the very first figure skater from South Korea to win anything at all, hence the nationalist bent to the media promoting the rivalry between her and Mao (as right as it was to point out that Mao was part of an entire dynasty, and that her own fans were no less than Yuna's at the time). The Korean figure skating team being much larger than before already means the focus is much more split, nor do I see the same quality in any of them so far. I do think Jia/Mao Shimada can turn into it, but they're not even going to debut at the same Olympics, so...

 

[gotoschool]

I didn't mean to post that comment here so I apologize.

 

[On My Own]

Looks like I will have to get away from this brainwashed forum since the shielders for corrupt scoring for the coronated Kaori with no explanations needed to detailed criticism of the scoring have have come out in force here with not a single like for the post defending the obviously manipulated scoring, one even dared to call Haein Lee's skating juniorish on a Korean skating thread, but not at goldekskate where I received a number of likes and no dissenting opinions for my views but youtube is definitely the place where the most open minded views can be found, hence these videos must be removed. Not surprisingly, some of those most condescending comments towards Haein Lee and those likinng the comments are Yuna Kim devotees who are jealously guarding her inflated accolades and don't want to give credit to another great Korean skater (in my opinion a greater skater to take her place.) Please remember I just witnessed another 17 year old Korean become the victim of a paid for character assassination who I am fond of in music. The support for this view is huge and it was not censured by removal of comments as the ISU has done. This proves that the ISU Coronation Cultists know no national boundaries and that they are only intent on being rabid mouthpieces for corrupt scoring whether of Kaori in Japan or Yuna Kim in South Korea.

Korean skating news & updates

would they send Cho / Adcock and Lim / Quan?? Per the announcement, yes, they would. Lim/Quan are the highest ranked Korean dance team and the announcement basically says that Cho/Adcock are already registered as a new pairs team with the ISU.

www.fsuniverse.net

Get over yourself.

 

[On My Own]

By the way, here's Haein Lee's ISU video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGqwgN5d64&ab_channel=SkatingISU

Comments not censored, most do indeed say she would have won. Wouldn't exactly call the view of Kaori being called "Cowri" open-minded, but that's me.

Also, maybe I just follow the right kind, but most Korean Yuna fans I follow on twitter were just happy that Yuna's skating opened the way for skaters like Haein and Jun to win medals many years later. I am not sure that's "jealously guarding", although I imagine stans of skaters from a war-crime denying country would know about "jealous guarding".

 

[thvu]

I usually just come to this thread to read info, but…

“ISU Coronation Cultists”

 

[Sylvia]

Yet another domestic competition! https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1640893367713398784

Notable entries (this is a generalized list by discipline and not per event):
Women: Lee Haein, Chaeyeon Kim, Seoyeong Wi, Ahsun Yun, Minchae Kim, Siwoo Song, Yujae Kim, Seojin Yoon
Men: Jaeseok Kyeong, Younghyun Cha, Hangil Kim, Jaekeun Lee, Juheon Lim, Hyungyeom Kim

Day 1 livestream is linked from here: https://www.youtube.com/@figurekorea6036/streams

Info in Korean for the 65th National Men's and Women's Figure Skating Championships, 4/6 (Thu) - 4/9 (Sun) at the Jeonju Hwasan Gymnasium Indoor Ice Rink:

2023 제 65회 전국남녀피겨스케이팅 종별선수권 경기일정, 쇼트 프로그램 스타팅오더(4.5 기준)

1)경기일정 2023.4.6(목) ~ 2023.4.9.(일) 2)장소 : 전주화산체육관 실내빙상장 3) 경기공지 선수출입구와 ...

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ETA: https://www.spotvnews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=597627

A total of 150 figure skaters from men's and women's level 3 or higher (groups A to C) will participate in this event. It is the last figure skating competition to be held in Korea for the 2022-2023 season.
On the 3rd and 4th day of the men's and women's single group A matches, Gyeong Jae-seok (23, general competition), Kim Chae-yeon, and Yoon Ah-sun (16, Wee Seo-yeong (18, 18, Lee Sang-soo), who played an active part in the national figure skating team this season, ), etc. are present.

 

[seabm7]

Yet another domestic competition! https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1640893367713398784

Day 1 livestream is linked from here: https://www.youtube.com/@figurekorea6036/streams

Info in Korean for the 65th National Men's and Women's Figure Skating Championships, 4/6 (Thu) - 4/9 (Sun) at the Jeonju Hwasan Gymnasium Indoor Ice Rink:

2023 제 65회 전국남녀피겨스케이팅 종별선수권 경기일정, 쇼트 프로그램 스타팅오더(4.5 기준)

1)경기일정 2023.4.6(목) ~ 2023.4.9.(일) 2)장소 : 전주화산체육관 실내빙상장 3) 경기공지 선수출입구와 ...

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ETA: https://www.spotvnews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=597627

This is so called "class" championships for spring. They give out medals to each age category in addition to the usual novice/junior/senior divisions.

The competition is not mandatory for elite skaters. Skaters use the opportunity to test next season's programs. Please note that South Korea does not hold club competitions for elite skaters during summer.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Wow, when would the Worlds and even the Jr. Worlds competitors have had time to create, learn, and practice new programs, even one, for next season by this weekend?

 

[Sylvia]

Yujae Kim's SP (3A, 3Lz+3T, 3F*): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644607581883645957
(Clip of her twin popping into the kiss & cry in the 2nd tweet.)

ETA: * double or triple flip must be the required solo jump in the ISU Junior SP next season, 2023-24

 

[Stephanie]

Wow, when would the Worlds and even the Jr. Worlds competitors have had time to create, learn, and practice new programs, even one, for next season by this weekend?

The international competitors (per @skatingkor Twitter) are still using this year's programs (Chaeyeon Kim, Yujae Kim, Minchae Kim, Heesue Han, Ahsun Yun, Siwoo Song, Seojin Youn)

 

[kwanfan1818]

Which goes back to the original question about why those skaters would compete so soon after championships, especially if elite skaters aren't required to.

 

[Sylvia]

Classified Competition (penultimate day) - scores as displayed in the live/replay stream in event order:

A Men High SP:
1 Hyungyeom Kim (6th at Junior Worlds) 78.19 - landed 3A, 3Lz+3T, 3F (2023-24 required Jr. SP solo jump); his 2022-23 "Mi Mancherai" SP starts here in the live/replay stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSUCDyB4y4&t=17302s
2 Juheon Lim 66.29
3 Jaekeun Lee 61.16

A Men University SP:
1 Younghyun Cha 70.98
2 Hangil Kim 51.50

A Men Adult SP:
Jaeseok Kyeong 61.05

A Women Middle SP results:
1 Yujae Kim (4th at Junior Worlds) 70.25
2 Nayeon Ko 62.67 - 2nd skater; program starts here in the live/replay stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSUCDyB4y4&t=19981s
3 Seojin Youn 61.64
4 Heesue Han 60.04 (final skater before A Women SP starts)
5 Jihyun Hwang 58.14
6 Eunbi Park 55.87
7 Seunga Hong 51.33
8 Jueun Jin 50.14

A Women High SP starts at this point in the live/replay stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSUCDyB4y4&t=22177s
1 Chaeyeon Kim 68.22 - her "Everybody Knows" SP (3Lz+3T, 2A, 3F) starts here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSUCDyB4y4&t=24420s
2 Siwoo Song 54.13
3 Minchae Kim 52.90
4 Ahsun Yun 51.63
5 Jeonmin Yook 46.64
6 Yean Jung 44.18
WD Haein Lee, Seoyeong Wi

 

[On My Own]

I think Korean skaters must "really love skating".

 

[Sylvia]

The live/replay stream for the final day of the Classified Competition is blocked for me due to music copyright so here are links to most of skatingkor's tweeted FS videos with scores:

A Men High:
Hyungyeom Kim 220.55 (142.36 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644960686991187968
Juheon Lim 205.36 (139.07 FS debut to Game of Thrones): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644959008338456576
Jaekeun Lee 186.77 (125.61 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644957151889092608

A Men University:
Younghyun Cha 215.29 (144.31 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644964167558782977
Hangil Kim 180.57 (129.07 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644962312455856128

A Men Adult:
Jaeseok Kyeong 201.33 (130.35 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644965792457293824
His 2nd kiss & cry clip says he is retiring.

A Women Middle top 3:
Yujae Kim 192.68 (122.43 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644985930619539457
Seojin Youn 184.75 (123.11 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644982355877142529
Heesue Han 174.10 (114.06 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644980782836924418

A Women High top 3:
Chaeyeon Kim 199.07 (130.85 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644997032891826179
Siwoo Song 167.81 (113.68 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644995506110709760
Minchae Kim 151.89 (98.99 FS): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644993952754352130

 

[Sylvia]

Golden Skate's Judith D. interviewed Lim/Quan at Junior Worlds in Calgary (19 mins.), uploaded on April 9 ahead of their senior international debut at World Team Trophy next week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9NaZlpULg

The 2023 World Junior silver medalists share a bit about themselves, when they began skating, how they met, and chose ice dance. They cover the highlights of their 2022-23 season, their strengths as a team, and their expectations for the senior level next year.
The young team also discusses their weaknesses, what they want to improve on, and the styles of music they will contemplate for 2023-24. They both have input on their music choices and reveal possible choreographers for their new program. Both ice dancers share their goals, both on an off the ice, for the future. Milano Cortina 2026!

 

[Sylvia]

Misha Ge went to Seoul back in February and choreographed these 2 programs for Juheon Lim and Ahsun Yun that were debuted at this weekend's Classified Competition: https://www.instagram.com/p/CotLc8xrNWP/

A Men High:
...
Juheon Lim 205.36 (139.07 FS debut to Game of Thrones): https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644959008338456576

Ahsun Yun's FS to The Queen’s Gambit OST: https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644992531107545090

Sihyeong Lee announced his 2023-24 programs, choreographed in Colorado Springs, CO last month - will he debut one or both at World Team Trophy this coming week?
SP: "Bittersweet Symphony" from The Crown; choreo. by Katherine Hill & Ben Agosto: https://instagram.com/p/Cp87BmYrp79/
FS: "Cloud" by Elias; choreo. by Joshua Farris (4 pics with him): https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp87ZX3Liyc/

 

[Evgeniafan]

Misha Ge went to Seoul back in February and choreographed these 2 programs for Juheon Lim and Ahsun Yun that were debuted at this weekend's Classified Competition: https://www.instagram.com/p/CotLc8xrNWP/

Ahsun Yun's FS to The Queen’s Gambit OST: https://twitter.com/skatingkor/status/1644992531107545090

Sihyeong Lee announced his 2023-24 programs, choreographed in Colorado Springs, CO last month - will he debut one or both at World Team Trophy this coming week?
SP: "Bittersweet Symphony" from The Crown; choreo. by Katherine Hill & Ben Agosto: https://instagram.com/p/Cp87BmYrp79/
FS: "Cloud" by Elias; choreo. by Joshua Farris (4 pics with him): https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp87ZX3Liyc/

I can't wait to see C!oud.

 

[Sylvia]

Sihyeong Lee announced his 2023-24 programs, choreographed in Colorado Springs, CO last month - will he debut one or both at World Team Trophy this coming week?
SP: "Bittersweet Symphony" from The Crown; choreo. by Katherine Hill & Ben Agosto: https://instagram.com/p/Cp87BmYrp79/
FS: "Cloud" by Elias; choreo. by Joshua Farris (4 pics with him): https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp87ZX3Liyc/

Kteam translations account tweeted an interview in which Sihyeong Lee confirms, among other things, that he will use his 2022-23 programs for WTT: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1646165027961942016

ETA more links to tweeted translations of the other WTT singles team members' quotes as they departed the airport in Seoul:

WTT team captain Junhwan Cha, part 1: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1646244955533213696
Part 2: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1646245009383911424

Haien Lee: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1645881995543691264

Yelim Kim: https://twitter.com/kteam_subs/status/1645870359340564480

 

[On My Own]

4Lo< - fall - why do it with the arms over the head - doesn't make any sense

Because it helps him to stretch himself out in the air and have a better alignment and axis. Without it, it'd be very difficult for him to rotate it even as much as he is currently.

 

[Sylvia]

Why are you replying here instead of the WTT play-by-play thread?

ETA: @skatingguy, some skaters just prefer to and/or practice jumping that way (like my fave U.S. junior man ).

 

[On My Own]

Why are you replying here instead of the WTT play-by-play thread?

Because I can't reply there, and I don't want to, even if I could.

 

[Sylvia]

Okaaay? Kiss & Cry section is open to all until July 1, IIRC.

From the WTT thread here in GSD:

Once you are in the arena, you find a poster for each country team with QR code.
Read the QR code with your cell phone and you can watch the short movie that each team has made.

The one from Korean team is really well made!

https://twitter.com/sydthepasserby/status/1646324026720280576

Yelim Kim also shared the Team Korea video on her IG: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq9gkmfL-MB/