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He is. Arlet Levandi confirmed that at the GP in Finland.
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I dunno about the women; but regarding the men, there's a real question as to who the A team & B team are. The guys going to 4CCs need the experience at a major international. (As does Yamamoto). If they had had the experience at a major international previously, the selection for the World team might have been different. I think it's pretty important that Shun & Miura get that experience. And there was no question Shimada needed to be sent.
As for Shoma, he's clearly A team; but usually we don't see the men's winner from Japanese Nationals attend. Recently, I've figured that was because neither Hanyu nor Shoma wanted to go into 4CCs as the #1 guy from Japan and lose to the other one prior to Worlds. That's not an issue this year; but it's not unusual for the Japanese men's champion not to come. It's unusual for #2 & #3 not to come, but this was quite an unusual set of Nationals results for the guys relative to their GP finishes.
As for Shoma, he's clearly A team; but usually we don't see the men's winner from Japanese Nationals attend. Recently, I've figured that was because neither Hanyu nor Shoma wanted to go into 4CCs as the #1 guy from Japan and lose to the other one prior to Worlds. That's not an issue this year; but it's not unusual for the Japanese men's champion not to come. It's unusual for #2 & #3 not to come, but this was quite an unusual set of Nationals results for the guys relative to their GP finishes.
Oh, I wanted to add that I'm happy for Sota. I think he earned this berth and I know he would have liked to skate better at Nationals. But it's been a long, hard fight for him; and I'm glad to see both Sota & Mai overcoming the health challenges they've faced. Two comebacks that have been years in the making & required a lot of learning, determination, and grit along the way.
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That is what many Japanese fans are guessing - he was not talking about the situation about himself, but about his training-mate. But he also did not mean to deny the opportunities given to other teammates - what (we think) he was referring to is the selection process that changes so often and is not necessarily cleat-cut.
He is a 25 year old man who is attempting 4-5 quads and has had troubles with boots and I believe injuries in the past. I don't think he and his team will be going to unnecessary competitions anymore. It'd have been great if they'd sent Tomono to 4CCs, but it makes a perfectly competitive field to be sending the JNats silver and two men who made the GPF this season.
I find the prestige arguments of Euros v. 4CC tiresome, but it looks like the men's field are evenly matched
4CC (skaters ranked by SB list)
4 Miura
7 Cha
8 Sato
14 Messing? (*pending Canada's nominations)
15 Shimada
18 Lee
19 Pulkinen? (*pending USA's nominations)
Euros
5 Siao Him Fa
6 Grassl? (*pending Italy's nominations)
9 Aymoz
10 Vasiljevs
11 Bristschgi
12 Rizzo? (*pending Italy's nominations)
17 Frangipani/22 Memola? (*pending Italy's nominations)
4CC (skaters ranked by SB list)
4 Miura
7 Cha
8 Sato
14 Messing? (*pending Canada's nominations)
15 Shimada
18 Lee
19 Pulkinen? (*pending USA's nominations)
Euros
5 Siao Him Fa
6 Grassl? (*pending Italy's nominations)
9 Aymoz
10 Vasiljevs
11 Bristschgi
12 Rizzo? (*pending Italy's nominations)
17 Frangipani/22 Memola? (*pending Italy's nominations)
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Jackie Wong applied the selection criteria, except (3d), the fourth criteria for the third selection and tweeted:
Eventual top three: Sakamoto, Mihara, Shimada (not eligible)
https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1607019976124411906
where Watanabe was the only eligible selection for the first three criteria (a-c) for the third selection, after being bypassed for the second selection; Mihara was the only other woman eligible for that. Someone responded that Yoshida was eligible for the 4th criteria. If this is correct, then Sumiyoshi and Kihara did not meet the selection criteria.
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Jackie Wong is an idiot since the 4CCs selection criteria is different than the Worlds criteria. I don't know that anyone is challenging Watanabe's selection for the Worlds team, though I would posit the argument that it isn't entirely clear. If ONLY the 2nd & 3rd place finishers, regardless of age-eligibility, meet the criteria for B & C of the Worlds selection criteria, then doesn't it follow that ONLY skaters who are in the WS, WR and SB Top 6 meet the 4CCs criteria?
A) Sakamoto, Mihara, Chiba, Yoshida, Aoki, Kawabe
B) Sakamoto (1), Mihara (4)... If you follow on down the line and take the top six Japanese women in the ISU WS - Watanabe (20), Higuchi (21), Matsuike (24), Kawabe (25)
C) Watanabe (4), Mihara (5), Sakamoto (6)... Following down the WR with the top six Japanese women - Kawabe (14), Sumiyoshi (21), Shimada (22)*
D) Shimada (1)*, Sakamoto (2), Mihara (3)... Following down the SB with the top six Japanese women - Watanabe (7), Yoshida (8), Nakai (9)
I think what's clear, based on both the Women's and Men's selections, is the JSF did what they wanted and found a way for the criteria to fit their selections.
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I posted his Worlds selection flows. I haven't seen him post 4C's selection flows.
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I know Kagiyama is coming back from injury, but I’m still shocked that the Olympic Silver medalist is not being sent to 4CC or Worlds. Wondering if he should have passed on his Nationals. He said in interviews his father suggested it, but Yuma said he did not want to miss. Watching his skate, it’s clear he has also grown…or filled out a bit this year and no longer looks like a boy. I sure hope he can heal and get back to form! I was looking forward to watching Yuma and Ilia go head to head this quad.
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I found Kosho Oshima very entertaining!
[ICE TIME] Shoma Uno is Unhappy with Team Selection Process for World Championships | SportsLook
Shoma Uno appears to be upset that his training partner Koshiro Shimada, who finished second behind him at the Japan Championships, was not selected for the team.
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I think the fact he’s standing up for Shimada makes Uno a good friend and I’m not criticising him for speaking out, but I totally understand JSF’s selection in this instance. Yamamoto has had a very successful season internationally and Shimada simply doesn’t have the same scoring potential at his best as either Yamamoto or Tanaka at theirs. Shimada deserved his silver here, but it was down to him having one of his cleanest competitions ever and the whole event being a last-man-standing fiasco. I would be hesitant to trust him too when I need to secure 3 spots and he’s as likely to finish 18th at Worlds as he is to finish 8th.
Nationals is a tool that helps the fed determine who’s in form and most likely to help them achieve their targets, not a binding contest to decide who ‘deserves’ the personal honour of going to the most prestigious competitions the most, and JSF’s selection criteria are flexible enough to reflect that.
Nationals is a tool that helps the fed determine who’s in form and most likely to help them achieve their targets, not a binding contest to decide who ‘deserves’ the personal honour of going to the most prestigious competitions the most, and JSF’s selection criteria are flexible enough to reflect that.
I can't imagine Shoma will not compete until Worlds, that will be almost 3 months without competition and not something that sounds great in preparation for Worlds. I tend to believe we will see him in some competition, likely Challenge Cup.
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Did Japan announce for 4CCs and Worlds? I'm lost in all the theories and fan applications of the selection criteria. I can't find the actual selections.
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I posted all of them one page back (post #189) - direct link doesn't work well when there are embedded tweets so quoting myself:
I don't see why people think Uno was speaking about Yamamoto. Yamamoto made the GPF. I'd assumed it was Tomono he was talking about.
I don't see why it matters either way. He's simply an adult man expressing his confusion politely (to the disbelief of
fans on twitter, who think he's just too dumb to even understand the rules).
I don't see why it matters either way. He's simply an adult man expressing his confusion politely (to the disbelief of
fans on twitter, who think he's just too dumb to even understand the rules).
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I missed seeing Oshima's "Top Gun" FS (clip tweeted above) but was entertained by his SP music ("Real?" by MIYAVI) & costume that he kept from last year (added a new hairstyleI found Kosho Oshima very entertaining!
) - SP clip: https://twitter.com/online_on_ice/status/1606238114124398592He tweeted this throwback vs. present day pic with Taichiro Yamakuma, fellow Meiji University student, after the East Japan Section Championships that Oshima won in early November ("... and! Taichiro-kun decided to retire this year, and I'm more than happy to be able to participate in the All Japan Championship together
"): https://twitter.com/KoshoOshima/status/1589101288050266112Yamakuma's 12/25/22 tweet (he finished 13th and Oshima 14th at Nationals) - machine translation:
@YukiNieve, I found this interview with Kosho ("Koto") Oshima that was published on Dec. 18
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（26）全日本選手権直前インタビュー 大島光翔 – 明大スポーツ新聞部
いよいよ冬の大一番、全日本選手権（以下、全日本）が開幕する。最高の演技を目指し日々練習を重ねる選手たちに懸ける思いを伺った。大舞台でそれぞれの熱い思いを表現し、今年度一番の感動を届ける。 （このインタビューは12月14 […]
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There is an awful lot of speculation in this article "appears to be" "psychic" "who is friends w whom" "the future"..We have all predicted the "He's got next"..or "She's got next"..Yukina Ota, Tiffiny Chin, Naomi Nari Nam..anyone? I think this "journalist" should set up an interview w Shoma...and ask him EXACTLY what he meant..My take..[ICE TIME] Shoma Uno is Unhappy with Team Selection Process for World Championships | SportsLook
Shoma Uno appears to be upset that his training partner Koshiro Shimada, who finished second behind him at the Japan Championships, was not selected for the team.
It's fanyus propaganda. I still think he either called out the lack of transparency of the selection criteria or the lack of consistency of the Japanese federation in following it, or he was unhappy with the decision not to send him to 4CC which might blindside him. The claim that he was talking about either Sota or Kazuki is one that fanyus made up without anything to back it up, but as always with them, you can bet they will spread it around as much as they possibly can (loved theI don't see why people think Uno was speaking about Yamamoto. Yamamoto made the GPF. I'd assumed it was Tomono he was talking about.
I don't see why it matters either way. He's simply an adult man expressing his confusion politely (to the disbelief of
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The Japanese media seem pretty convinced he was commenting on Shimada's snub, not his own assignments. If you can find his full quote somewhere, he says his piece about the criteria and then he says, "And as for me, . . ." or something to that effect, implying the first part of his answer was not about him personally.It's fanyus propaganda. I still think he either called out the lack of transparency of the selection criteria or the lack of consistency of the Japanese federation in following it, or he was unhappy with the decision not to send him to 4CC which might blindside him. The claim that he was talking about either Sota or Kazuki is one that fanyus made up without anything to back it up, but as always with them, you can bet they will spread it around as much as they possibly can (loved the
People really need to stop blaming every take they disagree with on "fanyus."
I heard and read the full quote, he was very vague in his wording and did not name anyone specifically, and only commented on the selection criteria. Since it was fanyus who decided to supply an alternative "translation" for his words including flat out saying he was insulting Sota, it's perfectly fine blaming them for it (and let's be honest, the list of things they are guilty of is very long so this is basically a drop in the pool).
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Th full text of this article is behind a paywall (can anyone access it?):
www.nikkansports.com
全日本2位の価値は？総合的判断とは？疑問の声も出たフィギュア代表選考 連盟が説明 - フィギュア : 日刊スポーツ・プレミアム
フィギュアスケート全日本選手権（大阪）の全日程が終了した12月25日の深夜、来年3月の世界選手権（さいたまスーパーアリーナ）に出場する日本代表が発表されました。この発表会見冒頭、世界王者で2連覇が期待される宇野昌磨（24＝トヨタ自動車）が壇上で「あまりうれしく思えない部分はある」と発言し、会見後に日本スケート連盟（JSF）の竹内洋輔フィギュア強化部長（43）が急きょ報道対応する一幕がありました。午後11時50分過ぎから日をまたぎ、約30分間にわたって開かれた基準説明の場の模様をお届けします。 - 日刊スポーツ新聞社のニュースサイト、ニッカンスポーツ・コム（nikkansports.com）。
ETA: https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202212260001364.html
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"Kao, Yuma, and Shun visiting Osaka Castle together" [after Nationals]: https://twitter.com/YumachiGIFs/status/1607379845797015553
Source - 3rd photo in Kao Miura's Instagram post yesterday: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmoXefsJqHn/
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Source - 3rd photo in Kao Miura's Instagram post yesterday: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmoXefsJqHn/
Machine translation:
His tweet translation. "I was incompetent." (phone translated)
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Yes, here's Kao's tweet that includes the same Osaka castle pic: https://twitter.com/kao_miura/status/1607575917320368130
Criteria aside, the Japanese men's field is too deep for the same three people to be sent to both Worlds and 4CCs. So they found a way within the published criteria to make it work (send 5 men out), good for them. Sota earned his spot by placing 2nd at GPF and with Hanyu out and Kagiyama injured, is the undisputed #2. If anything, the dispute should be on Kazuki vs Koshiro for the 3rd spot, and Kazuki winning out that face-off quite easily as well.
Just looking at the championships assignments, it is interesting that Rinka and Kao, both only third best internationally this season and didn't have the best Nationals, ultimately got 2 assignments.
Just looking at the championships assignments, it is interesting that Rinka and Kao, both only third best internationally this season and didn't have the best Nationals, ultimately got 2 assignments.
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Well, Mana, Rika and Rion were all on the GP and didn’t do well enough to get to the GPF. Rinka did, and that counts a lot to the JSF. As it should.
What I meant was, in comparison, Shoma, Sota, Karoi, Mai all skated better throughout the season and at Nationals and solidified their positions as Nationals #1 and 2 and somehow only got 1 Championship assignment, whereas Kao and Rinka got 2.
I suppose Japanese Fed regards Winter University Games much more highly than others do. I would understand why Shoma might be upset / confused to be the leading man for Japan all along this season and only have 1 major assignment post-Nationals. 4CCs is easy prize money too.
Now that the world is opening up, I hope the next World Team Trophy will come along soon.
I suppose Japanese Fed regards Winter University Games much more highly than others do. I would understand why Shoma might be upset / confused to be the leading man for Japan all along this season and only have 1 major assignment post-Nationals. 4CCs is easy prize money too.
Now that the world is opening up, I hope the next World Team Trophy will come along soon.
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I wouldn't say it's about 4CCs, because I don't believe it's about his own assignments. Obviously, it's up to our own interpretation, because he was being vague and polite. I just disagree it can possibly be about Yamamoto. And I disagree it's because Uno is an idiot, much like I disagree Uno was "tactless" for saying he was rooting for Chen at the Olympics. You can't be bullsh*tting about "Olympic spirit" and "rightly criticizing rules" and decide to not even apply it to anyone else, all from the same deluded fanbase that needs to bugger off already.It's fanyus propaganda. I still think he either called out the lack of transparency of the selection criteria or the lack of consistency of the Japanese federation in following it, or he was unhappy with the decision not to send him to 4CC which might blindside him. The claim that he was talking about either Sota or Kazuki is one that fanyus made up without anything to back it up, but as always with them, you can bet they will spread it around as much as they possibly can (loved the
Oh, and by the way: If certain people fancy themselves geniuses, then they should know geniuses are self-critical first. It is the fools who are convinced everyone else is more foolish than they are.
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