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Athletes summoned for the Junior GP selection camp (26-30 June)

Elena Agostinelli
Emily Boscaro
Lea Marie Castlunger
Nicole De Rosa
Amanda Ghezzo
Noemi Joos
Sarina Joos
Ornella Messena
Chiara Minighini
Zoe Mosca Barberis
Martina Santià
Beatrice Soldati
Ginevra Volante

Matteo Marchionni ** I don't know if he has swtiched to Pairs given the lack of any other single man present at the camp

Irina Napolitano/Edoardo Comi
Polina Polman/Gabriel Renoldi

Well, heck. I really want to know who they're summoning for ice dance, but they don't have that list up yet, lol.
 
Athletes summoned for the Junior GP selection camp (26-30 June)

Elena Agostinelli
Emily Boscaro
Lea Marie Castlunger
Nicole De Rosa
Amanda Ghezzo
Noemi Joos
Sarina Joos
Ornella Messena
Chiara Minighini
Zoe Mosca Barberis
Martina Santià
Beatrice Soldati
Ginevra Volante

Matteo Marchionni ** I don't know if he has swtiched to Pairs given the lack of any other single man present at the camp

Irina Napolitano/Edoardo Comi
Polina Polman/Gabriel Renoldi

Sarina Joos has aged out of juniors so that’s a little odd
 
Olympic selection criteria

Single and Pairs

For European Championships, World University games, Olympics (See Article 35 of the Rules), YOG the
ranking is calculated by summing the total score of the Italian Senior elite Championships with the 2 highest total
scores obtained in Type A or B competitions, as indicated in Paragraph B, Articles 2 and 3, multiplied by the
respective coefficients indicated in points 4, 5 and 6

Paragraph B

1. For the purpose of ranking calculation, races are divided into two types:
  • Type A races
  • Type B races

2. To Type A races belong:
  • Italian Junior and Senior Championships, Elite category
  • Challenger circuit competitions
  • ISU Championships
  • ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final and series (Grand Prix competitions)
  • ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Fina land series (Junior Grand Prix competitions)
  • ISU World Team Trophy in Figure Skating
  • Figure Skating Olympic Qualifying Competition
  • EYOF
  • YOG
  • Olympics
  • World University Games

3. To Type B competitions belong:
  • International competitions on the ISU calendar not listed in Article 2
  • Interclub competitions on the FISG calendar
  • International interclub competitions on the ISU calendar
  • Elite band Italian Championship Trials

4. Type A races have full value (100%): the total score is not multiplied by any coefficient.

5. Type B races have reduced value (95%): the total score is multiplied by 0.95. Only one Type B race (the best) can have full value for ranking calculation purposes.

6. For the Senior Pairs category: in the event that it is not possible to participate in challenger events due to concomitance of the same with GP events, a second type B competition may be given 100% value. The scheduling of competitions must in any case be agreed upon with the TC and approved by the sector advisor.


Article 32
In the event that the difference in ranking points between two or more athletes competing for the designation is less than or equal to:
  • 30 points in the male category
  • 20 points in the female category
  • 20 points in the pairs category

the Technical Committee may propose the convocation of athletes in the next ranking positions. The choice will also take into account the ISU ranking and, for the Junior Worlds, YOG and EYOF, the performance of the compulsory elements in the Short Program.

Article 35

In order to ensure that the best performing athletes are entered in the Olympic Games and ISU Championships, the Technical Committee may in any case propose, with its own reasoned opinion, designations in deviation from these Rules, taking into consideration additional parameters, listed below:
  • for men, women and pairs: the average of the total scores obtained in all competitions valid for ranking purposes; the safety of execution of the elements (percentage of correct execution, including the level, of the elements in the competitions performed); the consistency of the various performances in the competition; the result of direct clash competitions in which all the designable athletes participate
  • for men: the consistency of performing two quadruplets in the short program and at least two quadruplets in the free;
  • for women: the consistent execution of three triples in the short program,
  • for pairs: the execution of one side by side triple jump in the short program.


Ice Dance

For European Championships and and Olympic Games, the ranking is calculated by summing the total score of the Italian Senior Championships with the average of the 3 highest total scores obtained in previous competitions on the national and/or international calendar.

In the event that the difference in ranking points between two or more pairs competing for the designation is less than or equal to:
- 25 points
the Technical Committee may propose the summoning of athletes in the next ranking positions. ISU ranking will also be taken into account in the choice and, for Junior Worlds, YOG and EYOF, the execution of the elements in the RD.

 
While watching the following video, do you think Anna will eventually give Midori a run for her money?

 
The women are stepping up in this early season.

Next week there is the 1st event of the National Championship Elite Series. Men entries have all top athletes going head to head (if no-one withdraws).

Ah, is Grassl becoming Pope at the end of the Free Skating when he reveals the white shirt underneath the black one?

Marina Piredda enrolled in the Air Force as solider athlete.
There are more calls out at the moment:
  • enrollment in the Police for Figure Skating - Woman. I suppose it will be Anna Pezzetta (Gutmann is already in the police)
  • enrollment in the Air Force for Figure Skating - Pairs, female athlete. Clueless on this one, especially given there is not an equivalent spot for a male pair skater in the call.
  • enrollment in the Prison Guard corp for Figure Skating - Ice Dance, female athlete. I guess it is for Noemi Tali. No call open for male ice dancer, I suppose they are waiting for LaFornara to become Italian to get the call out.

Anna Pezzetta in the Police as expected.
Irma Caldara in the Air Force.
The prison guard procedure is still going on.
A male ice dancer position has been opened in the Firefighters corp.
 
The women are stepping up in this early season.

Next week there is the 1st event of the National Championship Elite Series. Men entries have all top athletes going head to head (if no-one withdraws).

Ah, is Grassl becoming Pope at the end of the Free Skating when he reveals the white shirt underneath the black one?
So, serious question... Do we even bother with trying to calculate the scoring table/criteria for the men & pairs teams or do we just accept that the "additional criteria" that allows the FISG to override the standings/results of their own formula means they're going to put whomever they want on the team?

I feel like, with the women, Gutmann & Pezzetta are both very solid, viable options and the FISG can't really go wrong with either of them - and it's a shame Italy couldn't get a 2nd spot - but there is no clear favored one between Lara Naki & Anna, so they'll stick with the standings/results from their scoring criteria.

With the men & pairs - it makes it pretty clear that GhiAmbro have no shot, even if they beat ConMac and/or BecGuar handily; and it feels similar with the men where Grassl & Memola are clearly advantaged over Rizzo, Frangipani & Circelli, so it doesn't matter if any of those last three beat Grassl & Memola.
 
So, serious question... Do we even bother with trying to calculate the scoring table/criteria for the men & pairs teams or do we just accept that the "additional criteria" that allows the FISG to override the standings/results of their own formula means they're going to put whomever they want on the team?

I feel like, with the women, Gutmann & Pezzetta are both very solid, viable options and the FISG can't really go wrong with either of them - and it's a shame Italy couldn't get a 2nd spot - but there is no clear favored one between Lara Naki & Anna, so they'll stick with the standings/results from their scoring criteria.

With the men & pairs - it makes it pretty clear that GhiAmbro have no shot, even if they beat ConMac and/or BecGuar handily; and it feels similar with the men where Grassl & Memola are clearly advantaged over Rizzo, Frangipani & Circelli, so it doesn't matter if any of those last three beat Grassl & Memola.

They generally go by the ranking IIRC. Even when the result was Paul Bonifacio Parkinson going to the Olympics.

However, the Article 35 lists seem new to me, I don't remember from previous editions of selection criteria. If they bothered to add it, there should be a reason.....
I would be surprised to see changes compared to the ranking if the two contenders aren't within the 20/30 points indicated in Article 32 though, but I can be totally wrong, I don't have any insiders.

As for the Fed's darlings (if that's what you mean by “favored"), it was Women that saw Nationals (in 2023) ending with the audience booing the judges after the scores were announced. In the past they tended to be stingy with Pezzetta (actually her scores made sense but they were in line with international scoring while others were getting national's bonuses in PCS and overlooked UR).
 
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I’m so glad the Italians are entering many more competitions coming up here. I have no idea who to send for the two spots for men now. And Anna is right there with Lara but Lara is a lock.

Also, hoping Lucrezia and Matteo could start to rise.
 
International Scores this season

MEN
Nikolaj Memola 265 Lombardia
Matteo Rizzo 249 Nepela
Daniel Grassl 241 Nepela
Gabriele Frangipani 198 Nebelhorn
Matteo Marchioni 160 JGP ITA

WOMEN
Lara Naki Gutmann 202 Nepela
Anna Pezzetta 192 Nepela
Sarina Joos 180 Nepela
Amanda Ghezzo 160 JGP ITA
Chiara Minighini 158 Lombardia
Noemi Joos 146 JGP LAT
Beatrice Soldati 137 JGP ITA

PAIRS
Ghilardi/Ambrosini 193 Nebelhorn
Beccari/Guarise 181 Nebelhorn
Napolitano/Comi 133 JGP LAT
Caldara/Maglio 131 Nebelhorn
Polman/Renoldi 108 JGP TUR

DANCE
Manni/Rothlisberger 166 Lombardia
Paolino/Tuba 158 OQE
Bianchi/Basile 149 JGP AZE
Soldati/Tagliabue 142 JGP ITA
Finelli/Bucciarelli 124 Nebelhorn
Lavazza/Meunier 120 JGP ITA
 
Elite Italian Championship Series - 1st stage held this weekend

1) Daniel Grassl 290.68
2) Matteo Rizzo 257.72
3) Nikolaj Memola 245.54
4) Gabriele Frangipani 227.64

1) Sarina Joos 192.74
2) Marina Piredda 176.43
3) Noemi Joos 161.37
 
Elite Italian Championship Series - 1st stage held this weekend

1) Daniel Grassl 290.68
2) Matteo Rizzo 257.72
3) Nikolaj Memola 245.54
4) Gabriele Frangipani 227.64

1) Sarina Joos 192.74
2) Marina Piredda 176.43
3) Noemi Joos 161.37
The way they are completely ignoring Grassl's under rotations on home ice when they are repeatedly called internationally is truly wild. It's been a while since I've witnessed a federation that so bluntly rigs the game so that the Olympic team will include their preferred skater.
 
The way they are completely ignoring Grassl's under rotations on home ice when they are repeatedly called internationally is truly wild. It's been a while since I've witnessed a federation that so bluntly rigs the game so that the Olympic team will include their preferred skater.
Yes and no. Only one of the Type B competitions like this one can be used for the ranking purposes, so while they're certainly trying to stack the deck in Grassl's favor, they can only do so much and both Memola & Rizzo can potentially close the gap with stronger international results.
 
Olympic selection criteria

Single and Pairs

For European Championships, World University games, Olympics (See Article 35 of the Rules), YOG the
ranking is calculated by summing the total score of the Italian Senior elite Championships with the 2 highest total
scores obtained in Type A or B competitions, as indicated in Paragraph B, Articles 2 and 3, multiplied by the
respective coefficients indicated in points 4, 5 and 6

Paragraph B

1. For the purpose of ranking calculation, races are divided into two types:
  • Type A races
  • Type B races

2. To Type A races belong:
  • Italian Junior and Senior Championships, Elite category
  • Challenger circuit competitions
  • ISU Championships
  • ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final and series (Grand Prix competitions)
  • ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Fina land series (Junior Grand Prix competitions)
  • ISU World Team Trophy in Figure Skating
  • Figure Skating Olympic Qualifying Competition
  • EYOF
  • YOG
  • Olympics
  • World University Games

3. To Type B competitions belong:
  • International competitions on the ISU calendar not listed in Article 2
  • Interclub competitions on the FISG calendar
  • International interclub competitions on the ISU calendar
  • Elite band Italian Championship Trials

4. Type A races have full value (100%): the total score is not multiplied by any coefficient.

5. Type B races have reduced value (95%): the total score is multiplied by 0.95. Only one Type B race (the best) can have full value for ranking calculation purposes.

6. For the Senior Pairs category: in the event that it is not possible to participate in challenger events due to concomitance of the same with GP events, a second type B competition may be given 100% value. The scheduling of competitions must in any case be agreed upon with the TC and approved by the sector advisor.


Article 32
In the event that the difference in ranking points between two or more athletes competing for the designation is less than or equal to:
  • 30 points in the male category
  • 20 points in the female category
  • 20 points in the pairs category

the Technical Committee may propose the convocation of athletes in the next ranking positions. The choice will also take into account the ISU ranking and, for the Junior Worlds, YOG and EYOF, the performance of the compulsory elements in the Short Program.

Article 35

In order to ensure that the best performing athletes are entered in the Olympic Games and ISU Championships, the Technical Committee may in any case propose, with its own reasoned opinion, designations in deviation from these Rules, taking into consideration additional parameters, listed below:
  • for men, women and pairs: the average of the total scores obtained in all competitions valid for ranking purposes; the safety of execution of the elements (percentage of correct execution, including the level, of the elements in the competitions performed); the consistency of the various performances in the competition; the result of direct clash competitions in which all the designable athletes participate
  • for men: the consistency of performing two quadruplets in the short program and at least two quadruplets in the free;
  • for women: the consistent execution of three triples in the short program,
  • for pairs: the execution of one side by side triple jump in the short program.

In point 9, where it says they remove the step sequence score from the total for seniors, is that just from the FS? Or from both programs?
 
Grassl's programs at the national competition this weekend

In point 9, where it says they remove the step sequence score from the total for seniors, is that just from the FS? Or from both programs?

Well, it isn't really a well written document.
I am mean...they uploaded a file with the "resolved comment" by Pizzocari on the side!

Anyway, written as it is written, they do not specify on which programs. It would make sense to deduce only from the FS if the aims to equalize scores in Senior and Junior events. But it isn't written as such.

Also, if I consider Attachment A, Point 20, for Olympic and ISU Championships selection, nothing should be deduced because Point 20 only mentions to apply points 4 to 6. This would suggest Point 9 is only applied for end of the year ranking.
However, if I consider the other file, Point 29 says to calculate the ranking using points 6 to 16 of the Attachment A. So the step sequence score would be deduced.
 
Grassl's programs at the national competition this weekend



Well, it isn't really a well written document.
I am mean...they uploaded a file with the "resolved comment" by Pizzocari on the side!

Anyway, written as it is written, they do not specify on which programs. It would make sense to deduce only from the FS if the aims to equalize scores in Senior and Junior events. But it isn't written as such.

Also, if I consider Attachment A, Point 20, for Olympic and ISU Championships selection, nothing should be deduced because Point 20 only mentions to apply points 4 to 6. This would suggest Point 9 is only applied for end of the year ranking.
However, if I consider the other file, Point 29 says to calculate the ranking using points 6 to 16 of the Attachment A. So the step sequence score would be deduced.

I’m just gonna say I think Daniel short program is fantastic, yes, he telegraph some of those jumps but Interesting not really the triple axel though.

I think the short program is killer. I love the spins at the end. And interesting music. I’m on board.

Please don’t send me any messages that I’m Cray Cray, I like what I like.

🤭
 
Grassl's programs at the national competition this weekend
His programs are better than usual, especially the SP. Having said that, these programs had a staggering number of uncalled under-rotations and 'q' jumps, some are so obvious you can call them live without any replays. I get that the Italian federation is determined to make a case for him to be sent to the Olympics, but they are doing him no favor by pretending his jumps were clean when even the most lenient tech caller in an international competition will have to call them.
 

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