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[Andrea82]

If I imputed correctly in my Excel

With step sequences
Rizzo 751.92
Memola 749.11

Without step sequences

Rizzo 723.45
Memola 722.87

 

[kwanfan1818]

Did they remove the part where if there wasn’t a huge difference, the Fed could do what it wants?

 

[Andrea82]

Did they remove the part where if there wasn’t a huge difference, the Fed could do what it wants?

It is still there, somewhere.

 

[Karen-W]

Did they remove the part where if there wasn’t a huge difference, the Fed could do what it wants?

It is still there, somewhere.

If they're within 30 points (20 points for women & pairs, 25 points for ice dance) then the FISG can take into account WS rankings, which breaks in Rizzo's favor - he's 9th in the WS, while Memola is 12th (and Grassl is 10th).

I think it will depend on the severity of Memola's injury, which I'm sure the fed has better information on than the public, as to whether or not they make the decision right now or possibly put it off until after Euros.

Women and Pairs are straightforward -

Gutmann is 45-50 points ahead of Sarina Joos depending on whether they go by total score or subtract the step sequences and Pezzetta is about 24-25 points behind Joos.

Unfortunately for BecGuar, they only had 2 international competitions this fall, so they don't have any score to use in lieu of the Italian Championships score. I'm sure they'll still be sent to Euros, if they're healthy enough, but unless something dramatic happens, I can't see them getting named to the Olympic team over GhiAmbro. ConMac is a given.

Ice Dance - GuigFab, of course, are going to the Olympics. The interesting choice will be if they stick with Manni/Roethlisberger for the 2nd Euros and Worlds spots they have or if they go with Tali/Lafornara instead, who are 28th in the WS compared to ManRoe's 41st. I think they'll send ManRoe still, but who knows?

 

[Andrea82]

If they're within 30 points (20 points for women & pairs, 25 points for ice dance) then the FISG can take into account WS rankings, which breaks in Rizzo's favor - he's 9th in the WS, while Memola is 12th (and Grassl is 10th).

I think it will depend on the severity of Memola's injury, which I'm sure the fed has better information on than the public, as to whether or not they make the decision right now or possibly put it off until after Euros.

Women and Pairs are straightforward -

Gutmann is 45-50 points ahead of Sarina Joos depending on whether they go by total score or subtract the step sequences and Pezzetta is about 24-25 points behind Joos.

Unfortunately for BecGuar, they only had 2 international competitions this fall, so they don't have any score to use in lieu of the Italian Championships score. I'm sure they'll still be sent to Euros, if they're healthy enough, but unless something dramatic happens, I can't see them getting named to the Olympic team over GhiAmbro. ConMac is a given.

Ice Dance - GuigFab, of course, are going to the Olympics. The interesting choice will be if they stick with Manni/Roethlisberger for the 2nd Euros and Worlds spots they have or if they go with Tali/Lafornara instead, who are 28th in the WS compared to ManRoe's 41st. I think they'll send ManRoe still, but who knows?

Memola returned to the ice a couple of days judging by his instagram stories.
If they make the decision next week, it may difficult for them to over-rule the ranking. What they may reasonably do is to decide to wait until Euros. It would be quite hard to argue something different from the ranking without seeing Memola skating post-injury IMO.

I would guess that they will send Manni/Roethlisberger to Euros, otherwise they would have found a way to put Tali/Lafornara 2nd today.
Worlds is possibly another story, given they can factor results from 2026 competitions into it.

 

[Yuri]

I am also curious about the 2nd ice dancing slot at Europeans and have been pulling hard for Tali & Lafornara to get there after an injury-delayed season for Noah. Today was particularly frustrating as they were 0.04 out of 2nd on the FD, which I was hoping for even if they couldn't pull up to 2nd overall.

I have been reading this Italian thread so I understand their Fed has some discretion if it's close, and I didn't realize that Tali & Lafornara still had the higher World ranking. Do we know if the Italian European team will be announced this weekend? Unfortunately, I tend to agree that if the Italian Fed intended to send them to Europeans that they would have found a way to place them 2nd. I didn't notice either couple making a major error on the posted video, so it seems like the judges had some discretion today.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Even if they wanted to name Tali/Lafornara, did I miss the news that Lafornara has his passport? Time is running out on the deadline, which seemed so far away this past summer.

 

[Karen-W]

Even if they wanted to name Tali/Lafornara, did I miss the news that Lafornara has his passport? Time is running out on the deadline, which seemed so far away this past summer.

He doesn't need an Italian passport to represent Italy at ISU Championships, just the Olympics - and Italy only has 1 spot for the Olympics.

 

[RoseRed]

Even if they wanted to name Tali/Lafornara, did I miss the news that Lafornara has his passport? Time is running out on the deadline, which seemed so far away this past summer.

Italy only has 1 spot in dance for the Olympics. This discussion is about Euros and Worlds.

 

[Sylvia]

Euros initial entries for ice dance (as of this past Wednesday):
23 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
24 Victoria MANNI / Carlo ROETHLISBERGER ITA
Denisa CIMLOVA / Stefano FRASCA S ITA
Leia DOZZI / Pietro PAPETTI S ITA
Giulia Isabella PAOLINO / Andrea TUBA S ITA
Noemi Maria TALI / Noah LAFORNARA S ITA

Ice Dance [Nationals results this weekend]
Result
FPl. Name Club Nation Points RD FD
1 Charlene Edith Magali GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI Fiamme Azzurre/Fiamme Azzurre ITA 213.41 1 1
2 Victoria MANNI / Carlo Antonio Guido ROTHLISBERGER Icelab/Icelab ITA 180.04 2 2
3 Noemi Maria TALI / Noah Elias LAFORNARA Icelab/Icelab ITA 176.63 3 3
4 Giulia Isabella PAOLINO / Andrea TUBA Ghiaccio Mezzaluna/Ghiaccio Mezzaluna ITA 175.34 4 4
5 Leia Francesca DOZZI / Pietro PAPETTI Accademia del Ghiaccio/Accademia del Ghiaccio ITA 170.02 5 5
6 Laura FINELLI / Massimiliano BUCCIARELLI Icelab/Icelab ITA 158.80 6 6
7 Denisa CIMLOVA / Stefano FRASCA Icelab/Icelab ITA 157.57 7 7
8 Carlotta ARGENTIERI / Francesco RIVA Icelab/Icelab ITA 147.98 8 8

ETA - adding the rest of the Senior results & Junior winners from the Italian Nationals thread in k&c:

Men
Result
FPl. Name Club Nation Points SP FS
1 Daniel GRASSL Fiamme Oro ITA 282.74 1 1
2 Matteo RIZZO Fiamme Azzurre ITA 244.94 2 2
3 Corey CIRCELLI Icelab ITA 218.69 3 3
4 Raffaele Francesco ZICH Cus Torino ITA 193.59 4 4
WD Gabriele FRANGIPANI Fiamme Oro ITA
WD Nikolaj MEMOLA Fiamme Oro ITA
WD Matteo NALBONE Ice Club Torino ITA

Women
Result
FPl. Name Club Nation Points SP FS
1 Lara Naki GUTMANN Fiamme Oro ITA 200.61 1 1
2 Sarina JOOS Ice Club Torino ITA 189.81 2 2
3 Ginevra Lavinia NEGRELLO Varese Ghiaccio ITA 166.77 5 4
4 Anna PEZZETTA Fiamme Oro ITA 165.83 3 5
5 Amanda GHEZZO Ice Club Torino ITA 162.99 10 3
6 Noemi JOOS Ice Club Torino ITA 151.70 7 6
7 Giulia BARUCCHI Ice Club Torino ITA 150.66 6 7
8 Marina PIREDDA C.S. Aeronautica ITA 146.99 4 10
9 Carlotta Maria GARDINI Icelab ITA 146.63 8 8
10 Chiara MINIGHINI Polisportiva Merano ITA 137.91 9 9
11 Vivienne CONTARINO Cus Torino ITA 117.81 11 11
WD Elena AGOSTINELLI Accademia del Ghiaccio ITA
WD Gioia FIORI Skating Club Anguillara ITA

Pairs
Result
FPl. Name Club Nation Points SP FS
1 Sara CONTI / Niccolo' MACII Fiamme Oro/Fiamme Oro ITA 216.09 1 1
2 Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINI Fiamme Azzurre/Fiamme Azzurre ITA 191.88 2 2
3 Irma Angela Sofia CALDARA / Riccardo Maria MAGLIO Cus Torino/Cus Torino ITA 160.73 3 3
WD Lucrezia BECCARI / Matteo GUARISE Fiamme Azzurre/Fiamme Azzurre ITA

Junior winners:
Matteo MARCHIONI Val Di Fassa Artistico Ghiacci ITA 158.02 2 1
Arianna SOLDATI / Nicholas TAGLIABUE Icelab/Icelab ITA 157.73 1 1 (dance)
Irina NAPOLITANO / Edoardo COMI Icelab/Icelab ITA 148.05 2 1 (pairs)
Beatrice SOLDATI Icelab ITA 146.80 2 1

 

[kwanfan1818]

Oh, doh, I am usually in complete denial about the one spot for Italy in Milan.