ISU World Standings Have Been Updated

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I don't know which I would prefer - I think there are benefits and drawbacks to both. But I don't really get the sentiment some people seem to have (not necessarily people in this thread) that it's crazy to have the team event first. It's not uncommon for team events to happen before the individual medals, is it?

I'm thinking of artistic gymnastic and the equestrian events, for example. Now the major difference is that the team event for those (from what I remember) is combined with the qualifiers for individual finals, not completely separate like in skating. And the scheduling is different. So I'm not saying it's a great comparison. Still though, the individual medals come at the end.

In gymnastics, isn't it normally:
1. Qualifiers (for both the team final and individual finals)
2. Team final
3. Individual all around final
4. Individual event finals

In show jumping in Rio, for example, Eric Lamaze did:
1. Round 1 (only counting for individual)
2. Round 2 (also team event qualifier)
3. Round 3 (team final)
4. Round 4 (individual final round A)
5. Round 5 (individual final round B)

They've changed the format since, I believe.

So obviously having the team event combined with qualifiers for for the individual stuff removes the some of the concern about the team event burning you out for the individual, since yo'd have to do it regardless. And that structure doesn't make sense for figure skating. But still, I never felt that it was weird for the team event to be done first when watching those events over the years.
 

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It's not uncommon for team events to happen before the individual medals, is it?
In Track and Field, the relays come later in the event and the same in swimming IIRC

In gymnastics, the team event seems to be the most prestigious along with the All-Around. Gymnasts who win medals in individual events only don't seem to get the same amount of fame unless they are also on a winning team or are in contention for the All-Around too. So, in that case, I think doing the team event first makes sense.
 

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In Track and Field, the relays come later in the event and the same in swimming IIRC

In gymnastics, the team event seems to be the most prestigious along with the All-Around. Gymnasts who win medals in individual events only don't seem to get the same amount of fame unless they are also on a winning team or are in contention for the All-Around too. So, in that case, I think doing the team event first makes sense.
I never said that having the team component 2nd was uncommon, just that having it first wasn't some weird thing to do. Which I said because I sometimes see people acting as though having the team event first is some absurd thing to do.

As for gymnastics, I don't know much about the history, but was the team event always the bigger deal? Because it looks like it has normally been first since at least the 70s (I didn't check further back than that).
 

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It's been a bigger deal as long as I've been paying attention and I started watching the Olympics in the 60s. :D
 

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As for gymnastics, I don't know much about the history, but was the team event always the bigger deal? Because it looks like it has normally been first since at least the 70s (I didn't check further back than that).

Gymnastics has been around a long, long time and gone through so many changes it is a bit hard to recognize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnastics_at_the_Summer_Olympics

Based on this table, it appears that the answer at the Olympic level is that the men's individual events + rope climbing - floor + a team horizontal bar + a team parallel bars competition were introduced first. However, you can also see that only an all-around event was held at the following Olympics, and only a team + all around were held at three of the next four Olympics. In the women's event, the team event was introduced first and was the only event competed in women's gymnastics for three Olympiads before the other events were included. So, on the women's side of the sport, yes. The team event was probably always a bigger deal.
 

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I felt like bumping up this thread that was started last year (after the World Standings were updated for the 2020-21 season) and, as it turned out, the only WS ranking points awarded this season were for 2021 Worlds:

MEN http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsmen.htm
Top 55:
1 4080 Nathan CHEN USA
2 4002 Yuzuru HANYU JPN
3 3515 Shoma UNO JPN
4 3096 Jason BROWN USA
5 3046 Alexander SAMARIN RUS
6 2957 Dmitri ALIEV RUS
7 2859 Matteo RIZZO ITA
8 2794 Keegan MESSING CAN
9 2721 Junhwan CHA KOR
10 2719 Morisi KVITELASHVILI GEO
11 2708 Yuma KAGIYAMA JPN
12 2694 Kevin AYMOZ FRA
13 2688 Daniel GRASSL ITA
14 2571 Boyang JIN CHN
15 2123 Nam NGUYEN CAN
16 2111 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS
17 2075 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT
18 1923 Artur DANIELIAN RUS
19 1907 Camden PULKINEN USA
20 1861 Keiji TANAKA JPN
21 1697 Michal BREZINA CZE
22 1687 Petr GUMENNIK RUS
23 1658 Tomoki HIWATASHI USA
24 1653 Adam SIAO HIM FA FRA
25 1652 Vincent ZHOU USA
26 1644 Andrei MOZALEV RUS
27 1610 Kazuki TOMONO JPN
28 1533 Brendan KERRY AUS
29 1508 Andrew TORGASHEV USA
30 1490 Aleksandr SELEVKO EST
31 1387 Vladimir LITVINTSEV AZE
32 1326 Sota YAMAMOTO JPN
33 1319 Andrei LAZUKIN RUS
34 1197 Mark GORODNITSKY ISR
35 1192 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR
36 1168 Gabriele FRANGIPANI ITA
37 1145 Shun SATO JPN
38 1132 Stephen GOGOLEV CAN
39 1124 Ivan SHMURATKO UKR
40 1099 Roman SADOVSKY CAN
41 1080 Makar IGNATOV RUS
42 1052 Irakli MAYSURADZE GEO
43 1029 Lukas BRITSCHGI SUI
44 1024 Han YAN CHN
45 1000 Luc MAIERHOFER AUT
46 995 Joseph PHAN CAN
47 960 Paul FENTZ GER
48 953 Koshiro SHIMADA JPN
49 938 Alexei KRASNOZHON USA
50 919 Sihyeong LEE KOR
51 889 Ryan DUNK USA
52 848 Nikolaj MAJOROV SWE
53 840 Alexander LEBEDEV BLR
54 808 Maurizio ZANDRON AUT
55 799 Slavik HAYRAPETYAN ARM
55 799 Evgeni SEMENENKO RUS

LADIES http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsladies.htm
Top 55:
1 4196 Rika KIHIRA JPN
2 3726 Anna SHCHERBAKOVA RUS
3 3452 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS
4 3396 Alexandra TRUSOVA RUS
5 3203 Bradie TENNELL USA
6 2927 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN
7 2873 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN
8 2760 Alena KOSTORNAIA RUS
9 2666 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS
10 2537 Eunsoo LIM KOR
11 2414 Sofia SAMODUROVA RUS
12 2368 Young YOU KOR
13 2192 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS
14 2111 Ekaterina RYABOVA AZE
15 2102 Yelim KIM KOR
16 2020 Mariah BELL USA
17 1956 Karen CHEN USA
18 1830 Alexia PAGANINI SUI
19 1674 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
20 1582 Eva-Lotta KIIBUS EST
21 1562 Haein LEE KOR
22 1553 Starr ANDREWS USA
23 1482 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ
24 1452 Nicole SCHOTT GER
25 1404 Loena HENDRICKX BEL
26 1393 Yuhana YOKOI JPN
27 1378 Emmi PELTONEN FIN
28 1361 Alexandra FEIGIN BUL
29 1346 Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA RUS
30 1306 Amber GLENN USA
31 1296 Marin HONDA JPN
32 1253 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA
33 1199 Olga MIKUTINA AUT
34 1182 Alessia TORNAGHI ITA
35 1181 Mako YAMASHITA JPN
36 1172 Ekaterina KURAKOVA POL
37 1154 Alina URUSHADZE GEO
38 1129 Yi Christy LEUNG HKG
39 1126 Kailani CRAINE AUS
40 1121 Mai MIHARA JPN
41 1100 Kamila VALIEVA RUS
42 1061 Eliska BREZINOVA CZE
43 1059 Serafima SAKHANOVICH RUS
44 1029 Lara Naki GUTMANN ITA
45 970 Alysa LIU USA
46 959 Daria USACHEVA RUS
47 956 Seoyeong WI KOR
48 955 Hongyi CHEN CHN
49 950 Viveca LINDFORS FIN (retired in July 2020)
50 945 Yuna SHIRAIWA JPN
51 944 Ivett TOTH HUN
52 942 Yasmine Kimiko YAMADA SUI
53 923 Dasa GRM SLO
54 903 Kseniia SINITSYNA RUS
55 900 Ting CUI USA

PAIRS http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wspairs.htm
Top 30 (confirmed split teams removed):
1 3662 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN
2 3585 Aleksandra BOIKOVA / Dmitrii KOZLOVSKII RUS
3 3568 Anastasia MISHINA / Aleksandr GALLIAMOV RUS
4 3529 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS
5 3383 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
6 3120 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
7 2840 Ashley CAIN-GRIBBLE / Timothy LEDUC USA
8 2736 Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN RUS
9 2730 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT
10 2684 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
11 2536 Minerva Fabienne HASE / Nolan SEEGERT GER
12 1780 Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINI ITA
13 1772 Apollinariia PANFILOVA / Dmitry RYLOV RUS
14 1763 Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON USA
15 1617 Evelyn WALSH / Trennt MICHAUD CAN
16 1420 Annika HOCKE / Robert KUNKEL GER
17 1338 Kseniia AKHANTEVA / Valerii KOLESOV
18 1256 Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV USA
19 1209 Camille RUEST / Andrew WOLFE CAN
20 1185 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK
21 1165 Zoe JONES / Christopher BOYADJI
22 1129 Riku MIURA / Ryuichi KIHARA JPN
23 1109 Feiyao TANG / Yongchao YANG CHN
24 1095 Alina PEPELEVA / Roman PLESHKOV RUS
25 1010 Ioulia CHTCHETININA / Mark MAGYAR HUN
26 926 Anna VERNIKOV / Evgeni KRASNOPOLSKI ISR
27 910 Iuliia ARTEMEVA / Mikhail NAZARYCHEV RUS
28 863 Cleo HAMON / Denys STREKALIN FRA
29 775 Lana PETRANOVIC / Antonio SOUZA KORDEIRU CRO
30 638 Alexa KNIERIM / Brandon FRAZIER USA

ICE DANCE http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm
Top 32:
1 4178 Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS
2 3858 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA
3 3827 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
4 3695 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
5 3570 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
6 3308 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS
7 3076 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA
8 2973 Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON GBR
9 2693 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN
10 2646 Sara HURTADO / Kirill KHALIAVIN ESP
11 2518 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV POL
12 2447 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER USA
13 2446 Olivia SMART / Adrian DIAZ ESP
14 2280 Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS
15 2139 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN CAN
16 2041 Maria KAZAKOVA / Georgy REVIYA GEO
17 1931 Carolane SOUCISSE / Shane FIRUS CAN
18 1923 Marjorie LAJOIE / Zachary LAGHA CAN
19 1862 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC FRA
20 1851 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO USA
21 1716 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU
22 1399 Adelina GALYAVIEVA / Louis THAURON FRA
23 1291 Katharina MUELLER / Tim DIECK GER
24 1289 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR
25 1224 Elizaveta SHANAEVA / Devid NARYZHNYY RUS
26 1167 Sofia SHEVCHENKO / Igor EREMENKO RUS
27 1159 Loicia DEMOUGEOT / Theo LE MERCIER FRA
28 1154 Misato KOMATSUBARA / Tim KOLETO JPN
29 1051 Hong CHEN / Zhuoming SUN CHN
30 1026 Anastasia SKOPTCOVA / Kirill ALESHIN RUS
31 1018 Darya POPOVA / Volodymyr BYELIKOV UKR
32 991 Arina USHAKOVA / Maxim NEKRASOV RUS

ETA - how ISU WS are calculated: https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-...ations/1625-1629-world-standing-sandp-id/file

Only skaters/teams that make the final (FS/FD) round at Worlds receive ISU ranking points.
 
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How often does the ISU release rankings?
Usually the World and Season Rankings are updated regularly throughout the season (JGP/GP/Challenger Series/Sr. B internationals) but in 2020-21 the only WS ranking points that counted were from 2021 Worlds.

We'll have to wait and see whether or not the ISU decides to remove the skaters' 2018-19 WS points and reduce the 2019-20 WS points to 70%...
 

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The World Standings get updated after every competition in which World Standings points are awarded, and when there is a season change. In most years WS points are awarded for every international competition in which there are at least two members represented in the discipline and the right number of judging and technical panel members with the right credentials and geographic distribution. For the 2020-21 season, WS points were awarded for Worlds only.

Just now, the WS were updated to reflect the points awarded at Worlds, plus 100% of 2019-20 and 70% of 2018-2019. Sometime between now and the first international event of 2021-22, they will (or typcially would) drop all of the points from 2018-19 and factor points from 2019-2020 by 70%.

The Seasons Best rankings get updated after every event that qualifies towards the SB list: Challenger Series (Senior), GP/GPF, JGP/JGPF, championships, Olympics/YOGs, WTT.
 

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The Seasons Best rankings get updated after every event that qualifies towards the SB list: Challenger Series (Senior), GP/GPF, JGP/JGPF, championships, Olympics/YOGs, WTT.
In 2020-21, the only ISU SB scores that counted are from 2020 Nebelhorn & Budapest Trophy and 2021 Worlds (plus World Team Trophy if it takes place as scheduled this month).

Season Best Total Scores 2020/21

 

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How is Zagitova rated so high on the list? I thought she wasn't even competing. Or do scores carry over from the last Olympics?
 

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The earliest seasons in the current WS in which results count throughout the 2020-21 season is 2018-2019, so they don't include her Olympic result from 2017-2018.

In the 2018-2019 season, she was the 2019 World Champion, and she won two GP's and Nebelhorn and a silver at GPF, which was worth over 2000 points before the 70% factor. In the 2018-19 season, currently worth 100% of points earned, she won two GP medals and was 6th at GPF.

When WS are reset at the beginning of the 2021-22 season, she'll lose all of the 2018-2019 points, and her 832 points from 2019-20 will be factored by 70%, leaving her with 582 or 583 points, whichever way the rounding rules work.
 

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ISU updated the World Standings on August 8 (deleting the 2018/2019 season WS points and reducing the 2019/2020 season points to 70%) ahead of the start of the 2021-22 international season: https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/entries-results/standings

1 2554 Yuzuru HANYU JPN
2 2040 Nathan CHEN USA (eta: because he didn't compete at 2020 4CC & Worlds was cancelled)
3 1910 Yuma KAGIYAMA JPN
4 1812 Jason BROWN USA
5 1598 Shoma UNO JPN
6 1569 Dmitri ALIEV RUS
7 1568 Keegan MESSING CAN
8 1555 Matteo RIZZO ITA
9 1545 Daniel GRASSL ITA
10 1498 Morisi KVITELASHVILI GEO
11 1417 Boyang JIN CHN
12 1412 Kevin AYMOZ FRA
13 1303 Junhwan CHA KOR
14 1244 Alexander SAMARIN RUS
15 1065 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT
16 998 Artur DANIELIAN RUS
17 956 Andrei MOZALEV RUS
18 935 Nam NGUYEN CAN
19 908 Aleksandr SELEVKO EST
20 819 Han YAN CHN
21 809 Petr GUMENNIK RUS
22 807 Camden PULKINEN USA
23 802 Shun SATO JPN
24 787 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS
25 778 Keiji TANAKA JPN
26 763 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR
27 756 Makar IGNATOV RUS
28 741 Kazuki TOMONO JPN
29 732 Evgeni SEMENENKO RUS

1 2723 Anna SHCHERBAKOVA RUS
2 2392 Alexandra TRUSOVA RUS
3 2271 Rika KIHIRA JPN
4 1933 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS
5 1802 Bradie TENNELL USA
6 1692 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN
7 1638 Alena KOSTORNAIA RUS
8 1632 Karen CHEN USA
9 1324 Young YOU KOR
10 1256 Yelim KIM KOR
11 1235 Ekaterina RYABOVA AZE
12 1077 Eva-Lotta KIIBUS EST
13 1045 Haein LEE KOR
14 1021 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN
15 993 Eunsoo LIM KOR
16 959 Olga MIKUTINA AUT
17 859 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
18 855 Nicole SCHOTT GER
19 827 Alessia TORNAGHI ITA
20 821 Ekaterina KURAKOVA POL
21 787 Loena HENDRICKX BEL
22 784 Alina URUSHADZE GEO
24 762 Starr ANDREWS USA
25 737 Amber GLENN USA
26 711 Sofia SAMODUROVA RUS
27 702 Alexia PAGANINI SUI

1 2508 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
2 2319 Anastasia MISHINA / Aleksandr GALLIAMOV RUS
3 2270 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN
4 2248 Aleksandra BOIKOVA / Dmitrii KOZLOVSKII RUS
5 2072 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS
6 2015 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
7 1498 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
8 1480 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT
9 1324 Ashley CAIN-GRIBBLE / Timothy LEDUC USA
10 1103 Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINI ITA
11 1096 Annika HOCKE / Robert KUNKEL GER
12 1071 Minerva Fabienne HASE / Nolan SEEGERT GER
13 1058 Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN RUS
14 1023 Evelyn WALSH / Trennt MICHAUD CAN
15 1007 Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON USA
16 929 Riku MIURA / Ryuichi KIHARA JPN
17 799 Ioulia CHTCHETININA / Mark MAGYAR HUN
18 770 Apollinariia PANFILOVA / Dmitry RYLOV RUS
19 689 Kseniia AKHANTEVA / Valerii KOLESOV RUS
20 667 Alina PEPELEVA / Roman PLESHKOV RUS
21 638 Iuliia ARTEMEVA / Mikhail NAZARYCHEV RUS
21 638 Alexa KNIERIM / Brandon FRAZIER USA
23 499 Cleo HAMON / Denys STREKALIN FRA
24 451 Feiyao TANG / Yongchao YANG CHN
25 446 Zoe JONES / Christopher BOYADJI GBR
26 431 Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV USA

1 2639 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
2 2608 Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS
3 2359 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
4 2290 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA
5 2011 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
6 1923 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS
7 1797 Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON GBR
8 1539 Sara HURTADO / Kirill KHALIAVIN ESP
9 1501 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN
10 1440 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER USA
11 1427 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN CAN
12 1369 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA
13 1363 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV POL
14 1178 Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS
15 1158 Marjorie LAJOIE / Zachary LAGHA CAN
16 1063 Maria KAZAKOVA / Georgy REVIYA GEO
17 1017 Olivia SMART / Adrian DIAZ ESP
18 977 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU
19 904 Carolane SOUCISSE / Shane FIRUS CAN
20 866 Adelina GALYAVIEVA / Louis THAURON FRA
21 735 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR
22 729 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO USA
23 668 Katharina MUELLER / Tim DIECK GER
24 658 Elizaveta SHANAEVA / Devid NARYZHNYY RUS
25 648 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC FRA CAN
26 638 Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONS USA
27 634 Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD FRA

Link to ISU Communication No. 1629: ISU WORLD STANDINGS FOR SINGLE & PAIR SKATING AND ICE DANCE / ISU SEASON’S WORLD RANKING
 
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It's so nice to see Sui/Han as the World #1, I don't think I've ever seen that before. They also previously didn't compete enough to ever make it there.
 

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Thrilled for Yuma jumping to 3rd place! I don’t know why but I have a certain feeling about him & Beijing 2022. Not that I don’t want Nathan to win.
 

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In tennis they freeze 2020 ranking points for current 2021 calculation to maintain merit and fairness to players who couldn’t and wouldn’t compete in 2020 due to cov1d. They normally drop 2019 ranking points but instead they keep them for 2021 at 50%.
 

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