ISU World Standings Have Been Updated

antmanb

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One would expect the skater who hasn't lost since 2018 to be first, but then the ISU's logic is not always logical.
I imagine crazed Fanyus putting away their pitch forks and deleting the online petition to the ISU about the unfairness of their golden pooh-dol not being number 1 on every list just because.
 

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ISU World Standings & Season’s World Ranking are updated as of August 21, 2021 (top 5 in singles/pairs at Cranberry Cup & Lake Placid Ice Dance International and top 10 at JGP #1 all received points):
 

haribobo

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JGP Skaters - Standings Changes

WOMEN
Alina Urushadze 22 to 18
Seoyeon Ji 84 to 48
Lindsay Thorngren 137 to 63
Kaiya Ruiter 129 to 66
Nargiz Suleymanova 148 to 98
Clare Seo None to 90
Ahsun Yun None to 102
Lola Ghozali None to 107

MEN
Ilia Malinin 66 to 40
Corey Circelli 119 to 73
Lucas Broussard NONE to 77
Francois Pitot NONE to 78
Ian Vauclin NONE to 89

DANCE
Wolfkostin/Chen 33 to 24
Makita/Gunara 34 to 28
Fradji/Forneaux 82 to 62
Lim/Quan NONE to 64
Mrazkova/Mrazek NONE to 66
 

haribobo

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Changes after Cranberry/Lake Placid

WOMEN
Young You 9 to 9
Alysa Liu 30 to 17
Mariah Bell 33 to 19
Madeline Schizas 43 to 34
Audrey Shin NONE to 94

MEN
Maxim Naumov 66ish to 41
Jimmy Ma 72ish to 44
Vincent Zhou 88ish to 50
Daniel Samohin 95ish to 67
Yaroslav Paniot NONE to 83

PAIRS
Tarasova/Morozov 5 to 2
Calalang/Johnson 15 to 10
Knierim/Frazier 21 to 17
Chan/Howe NONE to 37
Liu/O’Shea NONE to 38

DANCE
Green/Parsons 26 to 20
Garabedian/Proulx-Senecal 39ish to 29
Harris/Chan 59ish to 36
Cesanek/Yehorov 64ish to 38
Pate/Bye NONE to 71
 

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After JGP 2

WOMEN
Isabeau Levito NONE to 85
Chaeyeon Kim NONE to 91
Nina Pinzarrone NONE to 110
Seoyeon Ji 84 to 48 to 37
Ahsun Yun None to 102 to 67
Kaiya Ruiter 129 to 66 to 39

MEN
Wesley Chiu NONE to 74
Arlet Levandi NONE to 80
Edward Appleby 134ish to 72
Maxim Zharkov NONE to 87
Kai Kovar NONE to 94

DANCE
Brown/Brown 41 to 31
Flores/Tsarevski NONE to 63
Mazingue/Gaidajenko NONE to 65
Bernard/Jochum NONE to 68
Andreeva/Desyatov NONE to 74
 

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You can :rofl: but it's been so long since we've seen them compete that I wouldn't assume that they are the same team that dominated ice dancing for years. We just don't know.
If they are upright and living they should be. :shuffle:
 

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After JGP 3

WOMEN
Chaeyeon Kim NONE to 91 to 54
Veronika Zhilina NONE to 86
Sofia Muravieva NONE to 93
Adeliia Petrosian NONE to 96
Maria Zakharova NONE to 101
Ava Ziegler NONE to 114
Mia Kalin NONE to 123

MEN
Kirill Sarnovsky NONE to 76
William Annis NONE to 83
Jakeun Lee NONE to 96
Ilia Yablokov 47 to 33
Corey Circelli 119 to 73 to 51

PAIRS
Mukhortova/Evgenyev NONE to 31
Safina/Berulaeva NONE to 34
Kostiukovich/Briukhanov NONE to 36
Akhanetva/Kolesov 21(ish) to 17

DANCE
Mrazkova/Mrazek NONE to 66 to 44
D’Alessandro/Waddell 37 to 27
Kaganovskaya/Agelopol NONE to 65
Rybakova/Makhnonosov NONE to 76
Tyutynina/Shustitskiy 45 to 36
 

haribobo

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After Lombardia (pairs has not and seemingly will not been updated, since for some reason it wasn't a challenge series event for them)

DANCE
Guignard/Fabbri 5 to 4
Hurtado/Khaliavin 8 to 8
FBS 11 to 9
Carreira/Ponomarenko 23 to 19
Taschlerova/Taschler 36 to 24
Turkkila/Versluis 72 to 46

WOMEN
Alysa Liu 17 to 12
Kurakova 23 to 13
Paganini 29 to 19
Gutmann 40 to 29
Yamada 57 to 40
Shin 101 to 51
Zundert 88 to 52
Schaller 82 to 53

MEN
Grassl 9 to 4
Moris 10 to 6
Selevko 19 to 16
Siao Him Fa 30 to 18
Litvintsev 37 to 25
Tomoki 36 to 28
Levandi 81 to 55
Ponsart NO RANK to 93
 

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After Lombardia (pairs has not and seemingly will not been updated, since for some reason it wasn't a challenge series event for them)

Pairs will have to updated too as both Lombardia and John Nicks New York event met the requirements in terms of number of entries and technical panel/judges to be included in the third column (Int. Competition). They will give less points (from 250 to winner to 164 to the 5th)
 

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After Lombardia (pairs has not and seemingly will not been updated, since for some reason it wasn't a challenge series event for them)
Only half of the Challenger Series' have Pairs as an official part of the competition. This was because, for a couple of seasons, there was difficulty getting enough entries across all of the Challenger pairs comps to count as an official international competition. I like that we're seeing some decent sized pairs fields this year, even at non-Challenger events but the same thing happened in 2017-18 and then the field sizes dropped again after the chance at the Olympics passed. We'll see if that happens again next season or if the ISU should consider adding pairs to more of the Challengers again. Same reasoning applies to the JGP limiting pairs to just 4 of the 7 events.
 

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Some new updates to seniors-

MEN
Camden Pulkinen 23 to 18
Michal Brezina 46 to 31
Jimmy Ma 45 to 34
Donovan Carrillo 72 to 54
Eric Sjoberg NONE to 85

WOMEN
Karen Chen 8 to 5
Young You 9 to 6
Starr Andrews 27 to 18
Seoyeon Ji 38 to 25
Emily Bausback 63 to 44
Siwon Lee 130 to 77
Marilena Kitromilis NONE to 79
Gabrielle Daleman NONE to 128
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Alexandra Trusova 2 to 2
Gabriella Izzo 70 to 41
Yeonjeong Park to 84ish to 47
Sierra Venetta 134 to 82
Paige Rydberg NONE to 118

DANCE
Gilles/Poirier 3 to 1
Lajoie/Lagha 15 to 12
Smart/Diaz 17 to 15
Green/Parsons 21 to 17
Soucisse/Firus 20 to 18
Sales/Wamsteeker 83 to 52

*USFS Intl Dance WS not yet updated
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PAIRS

Della Monica/Guarise 7 to 7
Ghilardi/Ambrosini 11 to 10
Hamon/Strekalin 23 to 21
Conti/Macii 48 to 30
Barquero/Zandron NO RANK to 37
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Cain/LeDuc 9 to 8
Miura/Kihara 16 to 11
James/Radford NONE to 32
Stellato/Deschamps NONE to 40
McBeath/Bartholomay NONE to 45
 

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JGP SLO

Lindsay Thorngren 70 to 44
Sofia Samodelkina 103 to 57
Nina Pinzarrone 124 to 78
Ava Ziegler 124 to 88
Michae Kim NONE to 113
Jia Shin NONE to 129

Ilia Yablokov 38 to 23
Arlet Levandi 59 to 44
Younghyun Cha 62 to 51
Francois Pitot 89ish to 68
Matthew Nielsen 136 to 75
Alec Guinzbourg 115 to 88
Georgii Reshtenko NONE to 103

Wolfkostin Chen 27 to 23
D’Alessandro/Waddell 30 to 26
Kaganovskaya Angelopol 70 to 40
Bernard/Jochum 79ish to 49
Kachushkina Muratov NONE to 83

NEBELHORN

Fa 19 to 15
Litvintsev 25 to 20
Kerry 35 to 25
Sihyeong Lee 42 to 33
Zhou 57 to 38
Frangipani 50 to 39
Sadovsky 48 to 40
Kondratiuk 71 to 47

Kurakova 13 to 10
Liu 12 to 11
Paganini 20 to 14
Gutmann 30 to 22
Safonova 46 to 30
Craine 50 to 38
Taljegard 59 to 42
Shabotova 127 to 72

Hase/Seegert 14 to 10
Hocke/Kunkel 13 to 11
Barquero/Zandron 37 to 24
Safina/Berulava 37 to 25
Kops/Krasnopolski NONE to 45

Kazakova/Reviya 19 to 15
Mueller/Dieck 28 to 22
Taschlerova/Taschler 26 to 24
Garabedian/Proulx Senecal33 to 27
Turkkila/Versluis 49 to 32
Yanovskaya/Lukacs NONE to 79
 

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Updates after Finlandia- some funky stuff going on with skaters actually staying in the same spot or moving down due to other JGP or Finlandia skatings getting more points and/or some skaters having enough competitions previously for this one basically put them at the same point total as before while other skaters gain points...

DANCE
Chock/Bates 2 to 1
Fear/Gibson 7 to 6
Hurtado/Khaliavin 8 to 7
Papadakis/Cizeron 13 to 10
Smart/Diaz 16 to 11
Lajoie/Lagha 12 to 14
Carreira/Ponomarenko 21 to 21
Turkkila/Versluis 32 to 35

MEN
Jason Brown 5 to 2
Dmitri Aliev 8 to 6
Keegan Messing 9 to 7
Matteo Rizzo 10 to 9
Mikhail Kolyada 29 to 17
Evgeni Semenenko 37 to 24
Lukas Bristchgi 42 to 33
Arlet Levandi 44 to 36

WOMEN
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 4 to 4
Karen Chen 5 to 5
Alena Kostornaia 9 to 6
Eva Lotta Kiibus 15 to 13
Kamila Valieva 29 to 16
Loena Hendrickx 28 to 19
Viktoriia Safonova 30 to 24
Anastasiia Gubanova NONE to 119

PAIRS
Mishina/Galliamov 3 to 1
Tarasova/Morozov 2 to 2
Moore Towers/Marinaro 6 to 6
Cain/LeDuc 8 to 7
Calalang/Johnson 14 to 10
Hase/Seegert 10 to 11
Barquero/Zandron 25 to 28
James/Radford 37 to 31
 

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I love Jason Brown's skating, but only in the crazy world of ISU World Standings would he be ranked second in the world and above Nathan Chen.
 

Tavi

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I love Jason Brown's skating, but only in the crazy world of ISU World Standings would he be ranked second in the world and above Nathan Chen.
It will change soon enough! Seriously, though, it makes sense if you realize that world standing factors which competitions / how many you’ve done as well as where you placed.

Basically, Nathan wasn’t able to earn the big points he usually does because Worlds /GPF 2020 were canceled and there wasn’t really a GP season. Jason earned points by medaling at a couple of challengers and at 4CCs 2020 (Nathan didn’t do any of these comps).
 

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It will change soon enough! Seriously, though, it makes sense if you realize that world standing factors which competitions / how many you’ve done as well as where you placed.
But is this any reason to give one skater preference over another when it comes to Grand Prix invitations or the starting order for a Short Program?
 

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But is this any reason to give one skater preference over another when it comes to Grand Prix invitations or the starting order for a Short Program?
Well, it’s only one of several ways you can qualify for GPs, and it’s arguably less important than placement of Worlds. 😊

As far as using it to determine start order for SPs, not sure if it’s the power of television networks or something else, but if you’re going to go with something other than a random draw, I do think it’s relatively fair, because it changes over time - even during the season - and is theoretically fair to a fairly broad range of skaters as long as they perform well enough.
 

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But is this any reason to give one skater preference over another when it comes to Grand Prix invitations or the starting order for a Short Program?

This system is designed to reward people who place well at competitions. In order to place well at competitions, you have to attend them.

I think it’s far from a perfect system, but I don’t think it’s a particular flaw that someone who competes infrequently is not ranked as highly as you expect.
 

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I think it’s far from a perfect system, but I don’t think it’s a particular flaw that someone who competes infrequently is not ranked as highly as you expect.
If it leads to better performances being undermarked because lower-ranked skaters start earlier in the Short Program, then it's a flaw. COP was meant to prevent this from happening, but it happens all the same.
 

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If it leads to better performances being undermarked because lower-ranked skaters start earlier in the Short Program, then it's a flaw. COP was meant to prevent this from happening, but it happens all the same.
But that’s a problem with the judging, no? Judges who overlook flaws in and/or award higher GOE/PCS to skaters based on their start order, reputation (or lack thereof), and jump content aren’t following the stated guidelines. The ISU seems to accept it as perfectly fine because they’re not getting disciplined for it.
 

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Perhaps there is a formula that would include seasons best score AND event placements that might give us something closer to reality in terms of the rankings. Seasons best could perhaps be weighted by how recent it was? Still would be very flawed but might be better than what we have.
 

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But that’s a problem with the judging, no? Judges who overlook flaws in and/or award higher GOE/PCS to skaters based on their start order, reputation (or lack thereof), and jump content aren’t following the stated guidelines. The ISU seems to accept it as perfectly fine because they’re not getting disciplined for it.
Reminds me of the old 6.0 system during which the judges were "leaving room".
 

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