ISU 2021-22 Junior Grand Prix announcement

[Sylvia]

On the Skate Canada website (but not listed on ISU's... yet?): https://skatecanada.ca/events/#tab-id-2

2021 ISU JUNIOR GRAND PRIX LJUBLJANA #1
SEPTEMBER 22-25, 2021
LJUBLJANA, SLOVENIA
MEN
WOMEN
ICE DANCE

2021 ISU JUNIOR GRAND PRIX GDANSK
SEPTEMBER 29 – OCTOBER 2, 2021
GDANSK, POLAND
MEN
WOMEN
ICE DANCE
PAIR

2021 ISU JUNIOR GRAND PRIX LINZ
OCTOBER 6-9, 2021
LINZ, AUSTRIA
MEN
WOMEN
ICE DANCE
PAIR

2021 ISU JUNIOR GRAND PRIX LJUBLJANA #2
OCTOBER 7-10, 2021
LJUBLJANA, SLOVENIA
MEN
WOMEN
ICE DANCE

 

[euterpe]

There is only ONE event in Ljubljana SLOVENIA, and that is on 10/6-9.

The 8/22 event is in Kosice SLOVAKIA.

Two different countries and two different regions, as SVK is in east central Europe, while SLO is in the Balkans, just south of Italy.

 

[love_skate2011]

There is only ONE event in Ljubljana SLOVENIA, and that is on 10/7.

The 9/22 event is in Kosice SLOVAKIA.

Two different countries and two different regions, as SVK is in east central Europe, while SLO is in the Balkans, just south of Italy.

both are kinda near right ? Slovenia is near Croatia and Slovakia near Austria
aside from the similar sounding name.

 

[euterpe]

Also note: as posted today, 8/10, all the Russian entries for the first two JGP events in France have been removed.

The Russians refused the events because of the 10 day quarantine required.

But they were allowed to pack the SLOVAKIA event with two extra entries in MEN, WOMEN and ICE DANCE.

 

[Samurina]

Hopefully for JGP Final Qualification they look at the scores overall.

 

[Karen-W]

Hopefully for JGP Final Qualification they look at the scores overall.

But I thought we can't compare scores across events...

 

[Karen-W]

There is only ONE event in Ljubljana SLOVENIA, and that is on 10/7.

The 9/22 event is in Kosice SLOVAKIA.

Two different countries and two different regions, as SVK is in east central Europe, while SLO is in the Balkans, just south of Italy.

Uhm, wrong. The Kosice JGP is at the end of August. And the Ljubljana JGP is scheduled for 9/22. Look at the original announcement. It appears that a 2nd JGP in Ljubljana, the same weekend as the Linz JGP is being added.

 

[euterpe]

Uhm, wrong. The Kosice JGP is at the end of August. And the Ljubljana JGP is scheduled for 9/22. Look at the original announcement. It appears that a 2nd JGP in Ljubljana, the same weekend as the Linz JGP is being added

Sorry, I meant Aug 22 for KOSICE. Will fix that.

But there is no 2nd Slovenian JGP, per the list of competitions as issued in ISU communication #2397. There is no other competition listed for 10/6-9 than the Linz JGP. There is a Challenger in Espoo FIN 10/7-10 that overlaps the Linz JGP, but that's it.

 

[Sylvia]

Interestingly, reallocation of spots to Kosice, Slovakia (JGP #3) is not mentioned by Gorshkov in this article:

Президент ФФККР Горшков заявил, что вместо этапа «Гран-при» во Франции россияне поедут в Словению и Красноярск

Президент ФФККР Александр Горшков в интервью «СЭ» рассказал, что с высокой долей вероятности вынужденные отказаться от участия в этапах юниорской серии «Гран-при» во Франции россияне выступят на этапах в Словении и Красноярске.

www.sport-express.ru

Machine translated excerpt:

President of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) Alexander Gorshkov in an interview with SE said that with a high degree of probability, Russians forced to refuse to participate in the stages of the junior Grand Prix series in France will perform at the stages in Slovenia and Krasnoyarsk. [...]
“The situation is changing rapidly, we will study the situation,” said Gorshkov. - The priority is our home stage in Krasnoyarsk [15 to 18 Sept.], as well as the stage in Slovenia [Sept. 22-25]. The main thing is that ISU met us halfway, and now it will not be difficult to arrange a transfer from one stage to another. It is also correct that the selection system for the Grand Prix finals will be changed, this was done at the request of our side."

 

[Colonel Green]

But there is no 2nd Slovenian JGP, per the list of competitions as issued in ISU communication #2397.

Yes, there was not one announced initially.

The Skate Canada website alteration suggests that one is being added in response to the issues with France.

 

[love_skate2011]

Yes, there was not one announced initially.

The Skate Canada website alteration suggests that one is being added in response to the issues with France.

so France might get only 1 JGP and other will be moved to Slovenia or Slovakia ?
when was this discussed. inst that too late the entries have been submitted.

 

[Colonel Green]

so France might get only 1 JGP and other will be moved to Slovenia or Slovakia ?

No, it's listed as an eighth event.

 

[euterpe]

I'd think it way too late, as announcements are online for all 7 JGP events.

There's currently no JGP scheduled for the week after Kosice, but it's way too late for an added event there, as entries would have been due as of last Friday.

That means an 8th JGP couldn't happen until after Linz, in the week before Skate America. And there are two Challenger events scheduled during that week.

 

[Colonel Green]

I'd think it way too late, as announcements are online for all 7 JGP events.

Why would that matter?

 

[Karen-W]

I'd think it way too late, as announcements are online for all 7 JGP events.

There's currently no JGP scheduled for the week after Kosice, but it's way too late for an added event there, as entries would have been due as of last Friday.

That means an 8th JGP couldn't happen until after Linz, in the week before Skate America. And there are two Challenger events scheduled during that week.

Why would that matter?

I don't see any reason why this would be a problem. There are plenty of weeks during the height of the season where there are 3-4 competitions happening around the world. Anything to be as flexible and fair as possible to these junior skaters who have already lost out on one entire international season is good, IMO. If a federation in Europe wants to and is able to step up and host an 8th JGP event, great! Make it happen, ISU.

 

[euterpe]

I don't see any reason why this would be a problem. There are plenty of weeks during the height of the season where there are 3-4 competitions happening around the world. Anything to be as flexible and fair as possible to these junior skaters who have already lost out on one entire international season is good, IMO. If a federation in Europe wants to and is able to step up and host an 8th JGP event, great! Make it happen, ISU.

Sure there are loads of competitions happening around the world weekly, but most of them are international-level events requiring sub-ISU officials. But the JGP, GP and Challenger events require ISU level judges and technical panels. GP and Challenger events are going on weekly in the months from October to early December.

Then, too, the junior skaters have to be preparing for their own championships during the fall months, which is another reason why JGP events are scheduled in the late summer-early fall.

 

[Karen-W]

Sure there are loads of competitions happening around the world weekly, but most of them are international-level events requiring sub-ISU officials. But the JGP, GP and Challenger events require ISU level judges and technical panels. GP and Challenger events are going on weekly in the months from October to early December.

Then, too, the junior skaters have to be preparing for their own championships during the fall months, which is another reason why JGP events are scheduled in the late summer-early fall.

You do realize that, per the Skate Canada page Sylvia quoted, that the 2nd Ljubljana JGP and the Linz JGP are scheduled to be same weekend, right? Clearly the ISU thinks they have enough judges and personnel available to cover 2 JGP events on the same weekend.

 

[euterpe]

You do realize that, per the Skate Canada page Sylvia quoted, that the 2nd Ljubljana JGP and the Linz JGP are scheduled to be same weekend, right? Clearly the ISU thinks they have enough judges and personnel available to cover 2 JGP events on the same weekend.

That's the Skate Canada page, not an ISU document. Skate Canada got that info from the original JGP Announcement, but the event order was changed when France took on the event Skate Canada gave up.

If you look at ISU communication 2397, which lists all the competitions scheduled for the current season, you will not see any 2nd Ljubljana event.

But you will see that there are two Challenger events the same week as the Linz JGP, so I wouldn't conclude that the ISU feels there are enough ISU judges to spread across four events on the same weekend.

 

[sandra_persch]

I am all for adding another JGP to the list, but lets see if Skate Canada has early information not yet published on the ISU page or its a mistake.

Having a potential substitute for countries not willing / allowed to travel to Russia certainly makes sense.

 

[Andrea82]

But you will see that there are two Challenger events the same week as the Linz JGP, so I wouldn't conclude that the ISU feels there are enough ISU judges to spread across four events on the same weekend.

International status is enough for JGP judges. Only Technical panel needs to have ISU status. Referee can be International in JGP.

In a normal season, it wouldn't be a problem putting together 4 panels for JGPs and Challengers at the same time.
Now it depends on the state of the pandemyc this fall (travel restrictions, quarantines affect also judges who often also have jobs).

 

[seabm7]

I think no two Challenger events fall on the same week this season. The last JGP is supposed to happen on the week of Finlandia Trophy.

Sep 10-12 Lombardia Trophy
Sep 16-18 Autumn Classic International
Sep 21-25 Nebelhorn Trophy / Olympic Trial
Sep 30 - Oct 2 Nepela Memorial
Oct 7-10 Finlandia Trophy
Oct 13-17 Asian Open Trophy / Olympic Test Event
Oct 28-31 Denis Ten Memorial
Nov 11-14 Cup of Austria by IceChallenge
Nov 18-21 Warsaw Trophy
Dec 8-11 Golden Spin

Asian Open Trophy / Olympic Test Event is important to ISU, which may prevents additional JGP from happening on that particular week.

 

[danafan]

2021 ISU JUNIOR GRAND PRIX LJUBLJANA #2
OCTOBER 7-10, 2021
LJUBLJANA, SLOVENIA
MEN
WOMEN
ICE DANCE

This isn't listed on Skate Canada's assignments page anymore. A mistake? Or...

 

[Sylvia]

This isn't listed on Skate Canada's assignments page anymore. A mistake? Or...

The 2021 ISU JUNIOR GRAND PRIX LJUBLJANA SEPTEMBER 22-25, 2021 line no longer has the #1 either. Guess only time will tell...

ETA:

Sep 30 - Oct 2 Nepela Memorial

I bumped up the ISU Challenger Series thread earlier today (have heard unofficially that Nepela has been cancelled): https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...llenger-series-announced.108230/#post-6034899

 

[Colonel Green]

This isn't listed on Skate Canada's assignments page anymore. A mistake? Or...

Seemingly.

A very weird one, at that.

 

[seabm7]

Hangil KIM (born 2003) of South Korea withdrew from JGP No. 1 and Jaekeun LEE (born 2007) has been added to JGP No. 3.

According to a rumor, JGP No. 1 falls in the same week of the Nebelhorn/Universiade selection competition, so college attending skaters cannot participate in JGP No. 1.

 

[Kateri]

Hangil KIM (born 2003) of South Korea withdrew from JGP No. 1 and Jaekeun LEE (born 2007) has been added to JGP No. 3.

According to a rumor, JGP No. 1 falls in the same week of the Nebelhorn/Universiade selection competition, so college attending skaters cannot participate in JGP No. 1.

The Korean fed are having another selection competition? I thought they just had one!

edit - that was the JGP selection comp? You'd think maybe they could let people who already proved themselves onto the JGP skip the second selection comp on the strength of their previous result.

 

[seabm7]

The Korean fed are having another selection competition? I thought they just had one!

edit - that was the JGP selection comp? You'd think maybe they could let people who already proved themselves onto the JGP skip the second selection comp on the strength of their previous result.

KSU cannot reuse junior results for senior competitons. Otherwise someone may protest. They are very sensitive to comparing results from two different competition formats.

 

[Kateri]

KSU cannot reuse junior results for senior competitons. Otherwise someone may protest. They are very sensitive to comparing results from two different competition formats.

Ah, I forgot the points would be different for a junior programme.

 

[seabm7]

Hangil KIM does not participate in the Nebelhorn/Universiade selection competition, either. So the reason he is skipping JGP No. 1 should be something else.

 

[danafan]

Skate Canada published the assignments for JGP Krasnoyarsk

MEN
WESLEY CHIU

WOMEN
LIA PEREIRA

ICE DANCE
NADIIA BASHYNSKA / PETER BEAUMONT
EMMA GOODSTADT / MICHAEL BARSOUM