German Skating News - Part 3

Weekend updates:

Liebers did comeback Großer Berliner Bär today.
62 pts short, 25 tes :(
Fentz is leading with 63points.

Funny competition, as two ladies and 4 men were in warm-up group :P

Zagreb:
Schott 4th after the short, 53pts. Herceg 11th with 46pts., Hocke 14th with 46pts, too.

Herceg and Hocke got decent pcs for a senior competition.
Herceg not as bad as expected though with -2/-3 on toe and -3 on loop.
46pts for that seems rather generous.
 
Schott wins bronze in Zagreb with a total of 151,90pts.
4th free skate of her, and big surprise, 5th free skate for Herceg (7th place overall)! :encore:

94pts free skate for her, only 5pts behind Schott.
Herceg opened with 2a1lo3s sequence :eek:.

Hocke dropped to 16th.
 
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Vartmann/Blommaert got assigned to NHK for their 2nd GP this season.

So we have on GP series.
Men: 0
Ladies: 0
Pairs: 2x2
Ice Dance: 0
:shuffle:

Hope for next season additionally one lady and lorenz/polizoakis can secure a gp at worlds.

but maybe i should just be pleased if all olympic quota places are achieved.
big doubts in that regard for the mens spot :shuffle:
 
Jeschke said:
5 german dance teams entered for nrw trophy!

4 Sophie JONES / Ian STEPHAN GER
5 Shari KOCH / Christian NÜCHTERN GER
6 Kavita LORENZ / Panagiotis POLIZOAKIS GER
7 Katharina MÜLLER / Tim DIECK GER
8 Jennifer URBAN / Benjamin STEFFAN GER

when was the last time we had that many teams?
just hoping all will show up in the end :p
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so, reality is: two teams are left :barrel
l/p and m/d.
why no k/n?

strange that j/s were just entered for challenger but withdraw here.
and what about u/s? they looked quite good together in september and above all: hot :smokin:

who has news? :watch: :drama:
 
Uh my, NRW-Trophy mixed things up in german dance regarding the euros/worlds race.
Only one spot available

289,70 Kavita Lorenz / Joti Polizoakis (CS SVK 146,32; NRW-Trophy 143,38)
280,26 Katharina Müller / Tim Dieck (NRW-Trophy 154,38; CS GER 125,88)

as I expect both teams to score high at nationals, m/d are in a 8pts advantage right now. this needs a lot of fixing by the judges to get kavita/joti to ostrava.

both teams have one challenger left, if they skate, it has to be golden spin for both. so we might have some big head-to-head-folow-ups in december.
all l/p can hope is to close the gap at the challenger before nationals or hope for m/d totally fall apart at nationals.

at least we have some drama, at least :drama:

Who would have guessed, who would have?
 
I think L/P will still make it. They were messy at Nebelhorn and Nepela but this years programs are way more demanding, and they scored relatively well despite mistakes. They'll prob have PCS advantage no?
But what was the selece criteria?
 
Jeschke said:
Uh my, NRW-Trophy mixed things up in german dance regarding the euros/worlds race.
Only one spot available

289,70 Kavita Lorenz / Joti Polizoakis (CS SVK 146,32; NRW-Trophy 143,38)
280,26 Katharina Müller / Tim Dieck (NRW-Trophy 154,38; CS GER 125,88)

as I expect both teams to score high at nationals, m/d are in a 8pts advantage right now. this needs a lot of fixing by the judges to get kavita/joti to ostrava.
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How can m/d be in 8pts advantage when L/P have the higher point total??
 
judiz said:
How can m/d be in 8pts advantage when L/P have the higher point total??
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as i mentioned, i think they will both get a high score at nationals, which will count towards the race (means best or 2nd best score of them)

in that case only the 146pts of l/p count vs. the 154pts of m/d.
 
This is a mess. The DEU should better not have allowed NRW Trophy to count in the first place. They are not neutral enough (with Müller/Dieck being from there). Or to put it differently: The qualification rules should be just counting the categories 1 (Grand Prix) and 2 (Challenger Series) from the "Beschickungsliste" and not the other tinier competitions.
It is of course a shame that Kavita fell in the short, but I do not believe that this justifies such a huge gap.
 
sus2850 said:
This is a mess. The DEU should better not have allowed NRW Trophy to count in the first place. They are not neutral enough (with Müller/Dieck being from there). Or to put it differently: The qualification rules should be just counting the categories 1 (Grand Prix) and 2 (Challenger Series) from the "Beschickungsliste" and not the other tinier competitions.
It is of course a shame that Kavita fell in the short, but I do not believe that this justifies such a huge gap.
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they did mess up the lift to only getting lv1, we have to admit.
we had international judges, but i do get your point.

i wonder what will happen with the single skaters.

i like the development of m/d , but i really think they might fighting for final at euros not for top10 :(

hope l/p can score high at the last challenger to close the gap and will slay at nationals.
 
I was myself watching the competition in Dortmund. It's not a secret that I am a L/P fan but I have to say honestly that their programs are definetly more intense than last season and much more oriented to get more infront internationally. M/D FD is a childish junior program.
I was listening to a interview from L/P while they were talking to journalists and Joti was not holding back. He is pretty sassy... not only on the ice ;-).

SD: He said that these kind of mistakes (fall) happen maybe once or twice in the season and unfortunately it happened in the SD. He also commented that mistakes in the SD are a absolute No No and this can't happen again in any other competition this season. He thought that the performance was pretty good until the fall. As soon as they saw the score they realized that it was a very low score even with the fall. Both didn't know why they were receiving L1 in Lift while doing the same Life in the Challengers and got L4. Also didn't understand why got low levels on steps. Joti made fun of getting better levels at "harder competitions" ( Challengers) than here in Dortmund.

FD: They both seemed very happy with their performance and proud of each other. Kavita said they have never been in the situation of fighting from the back infront and it was definetly a learning experience. Also to skate as the last couple was good training for them she said. Their goal after the SD was to win the FD and show that they are fighters and they managed that. Joti mentioned that they still had mistakes in the FD and pointed his twizzle out. Kavita said this program is very intense and they skated it only to 70% with expression. They needed to skate as clean as possible to manage their goal of winning the FD. She said that they are very happy with their material and think that the FD will grow from competition to competition and will be really ready around nationals.

General: this is my favorite part... Joti complained that he didn't wanted to compete in Dortmund because he checked the last 2 seasons and saw that M/D always get their highest score at this competition and that this is "their" competition since it's held in their home rink. The federation wanted them to compete here tho so they came. He made clear that M/D score here is ridiculous and that he doesn't take it serious. He said that Kavita and him went into this competition expecting to get lower scores than M/D and he is convinced that they will not score that high anymore this season.
He also is aware of the gap for the euros qualification but he doesn't worry about that at all since they will compete next week in Riga and if they have to they might do one more competition prior nationals.
She said that they are motivated for Riga and they aim to skate both programs clean since they know that they are in good shape. They take NRW as a warm up for Riga.

I don't know if it's good that Joti talked that openly about his thoughts about scoring and M/D but at least he was honest?! They both are so interesting. #starquality
 
Marta24 said:
This feels like Zhiganshina/Gaszi vs. Herrmanns all over again :drama:
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let's be fair it's not like l/p skated clean.
they had a major mistake, getting the lift level reduced happened others before. that is no scandal. especially not with internationals judging for this competition.
it's a bit a different story than with z/g back then.
 
Xela M said:
I want them to win OGM more than anyone, but I have to say that I have never seen them land a clean throw. Like... never.
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good point.
i hate all these messy jumping passes.

i'll take a clean big throw triple instead of all the messy quad attempts we see nowadays.
most of the programs are destroyed imho.

i just hope for s/m they go back to 3t3t instead the freaky salchow thing and a nice throw triple salchow to end the program.
i don't care if they go for the 3a, it did not look that bad.
 
Are you actually sure that M/D is leading? I re-read the nomination process and I think L/P is still 10 p ahead.

They count the 2 highest scores at internat. competitions + nationals.
The international scores are just counting for competitions which are in following categories.
Category 1: Grand Prix ( No team skated one)
Category 2: Challenger competitions
Category 3: competitions in germany ( nebelhorn, nrw, nationals...

http://www.eislauf-union.de/download/DEU_Nominierungskriterien_int._Meisterschaften_2016-2017.pdf

M/D scored 144 in Nice but that doesn't count since Nice is in Category 4. Category 4 are all Senior B competitions which are non challenger...

http://www.eislauf-union.de/download/DEU-Beschickungsliste_2016-2017_Stand_9.9.16.pdf

Which means...

L/P : 146.32p - Nepela
143.38 p - NRW
total: 289.7

M/D : 125.88p - Nebelhorn
154.38p NRW
total: 280.3 p

Means L/P are good 10 p ahead. Now i am wondering if Joti knows the nominations criteria since he also thought that M/D is ahead. I do remember that last season all internationals would count into the nomination.
Riga is also no chance to get points for L/P.
Last chance to get points before nationals is the challenger competition in Zagreb for both teams and that could be quite interesting since it's 1 week before nationals...
I can't wait to see how both teams are reacting now...!!! Hihi
 
No it says only 2 competitions count which can include Nationals. See the first sentence in 1.3 of the Nominierungskriterien.
Or they worded it wrong. It used to be 3 that counted.
 
figureskatingforlife said:
Are you actually sure that M/D is leading?
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as i stated in post #402 i am aware that l/p are leading right now by almost 10 points.

but my point was: it is pretty safe to say that for both teams the national results will be among their 2 best competitions to count towards the race.
assuming that would delete the 2nd best score of this actual moment.
in that case d/m have a 8pts gap to l/p. it would be good for l/p to top their best score until now (146) in zagreb (if they start). so they could close the gap or maybe surpass (i don't think they can score that high at a challenger though, so i think it's only about closing the gap as good as possible before nationals).

you get what i mean?
 
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On a different note: Is Joti still with Johnny's ex-husband? I can't find him on Joti's recent instagram pics and also Victor's profile seems to have been reset with only one pretty recent picture.
 
Jeschke said:
let's be fair it's not like l/p skated clean.
they had a major mistake, getting the lift level reduced happened others before. that is no scandal. especially not with internationals judging for this competition.
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I can't disagree with the SD, I just thought the PCS scores for the FD were a bit :confused: since L&P looked so clearly superior to me.

Still, thanks to the Germans for the added :watch: sub-plot this season.
 
Jeschke said:
as i stated in post #402 i am aware that l/p are leading right now by almost 10 points.

but my point was: it is pretty safe to say that for both teams the national results will be among their 2 best competitions to count towards the race.
assuming that would delete the 2nd best score of this actual moment.
in that case d/m have a 8pts gap to l/p. it would be good for l/p to top their best score until now (146) in zagreb (if they start). so they could close the gap or maybe surpass (i don't think they can score that high at a challenger though, so i think it's only about closing the gap as good as possible before nationals).

you get what i mean?
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Got you ;-)!You did wrote in post #402 that M/D are in 8 p advantage which made me think M/D are 8 p infront L/P.
 
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