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Davydov is also teaching his girls quads. Berestovskaya has a quad, and he recently announced that Frolova is working on 4T and nearly got it.
Тренер: Фролова уже почти освоила четверной тулуп - РИА Новости Спорт, 15.10.2020
Российская фигуристка Анна Фролова уже практически способна исполнить четверной тулуп, заявил РИА Новости тренер спортсменки Сергей Давыдов. РИА Новости Спорт, 15.10.2020rsport.ria.ru
Pluschenko, on the other hand, while able to jump quads himself in his skating career, was NOT able to teach any of his students quads until Eteri started doing it and then he got Trusova and Zhilina from her club.
Davydov is also a victim of Pluschenko's poaching, he lost two promising students to him. But he actually teaches his girls quads from scratch, none came to him with quads ready.
and we blame Eteri because of the wrong edged jumps...Dudakov was teaching quads...
well, Trusova does have triple axel and quad loop which she didn’t have last season. At the moment she put in her program only the axel and is still working on the loop, but in the video clip it was landed clean. So I wouldn’t be so sure that Pluschenko can’t teach jumps.Pluschenko, on the other hand, while able to jump quads himself in his skating career, was NOT able to teach any of his students quads until Eteri started doing it and then he got Trusova and Zhilina from her club.
I work in the field so that’s why I am even more dubious. When you have one athlete with super vertical height and explosion, you applause that great genetic baggage. When you have like 7, you start to wonder.Likely good neuromuscular connectivity (I believe those are the right words). It gives good strength to weight ratios. A side effect is that their muscles look super small when they are, in reality, super strong.
Not really. She didn’t really land it anywhere in competition. She tried, but always fell.Trusova had a triple axel with Eteri didn't she? It just wasn't reliable. Quad loop is new though I think.
Not really. She didn’t really land it anywhere in competition. She tried, but always fell.
I guess it depends how you define having the jumps. Having it and being able to use it, or trying for two hours and posting the only successful attempt, those are two very different things. If you are saying that she had the triple axel and her coach prevented her to use it at the Europeans, then I am not surprised she left Tutberidze.
She didn’t, and Trusova didn’t land her quad loop either, yet. But I am just a bit sceptical about Trusova having 3A last year. That’s a bit like Guliakova posting her triple axel roughly five years ago and no one has ever seen it since. I think Trusova must have worked a lot on her 3A in comparison with the last year, so even though Tutberidze’s school would have a partial contribution towards it, I wouldn’t really attribute her learning 3A to Tutberidze. Pluschenko’s school must have put some work into it, it didn’t get there on its own.I didn't know Valieva landed it in competition .....
She didn’t, and Trusova didn’t land her quad loop either, yet. But I am just a bit sceptical about Trusova having 3A last year. That’s a bit like Guliakova posting her triple axel roughly five years ago and no one has ever seen it since. I think Trusova must have worked a lot on her 3A in comparison with the last year, so even though Tutberidze’s school would have a partial contribution towards it, I wouldn’t really attribute her learning 3A to Tutberidze. Pluschenko’s school must have put some work into it, it didn’t get there on its own.
Did you actually see a decent 3A landed by Trusova last year? I didn’t, that’s why I don’t count it. Common sense would suggest that she must have landed some otherwise what would be the point of putting it in the program, but her attempts last year reminded me chasing non existent unicorns.you said valieva has it this year but trusova didn't have it last year. so valieva doesn't have it by those standards
Did you actually see a decent 3A landed by Trusova last year? I didn’t, that’s why I don’t count it. Common sense would suggest that she must have landed some otherwise what would be the point of putting it in the program, but her attempts last year reminded me chasing non existent unicorns.
I don’t know. As I said, I haven’t seen it so for me it is a bit like Santa Claus - everyone talking about it but did it really exist?i dont think the attempt valieva landed is any better then the videos from trusova last year.
Trusova was landing it during practices (there were vids) but not in competition. It is because she started landing 3A's solidly at the practice rink, her parents gave her a poodle (there was a big hoopla about it "landing 3A = poodle".) Trusova also started to practice 4L with Eteri group... eventually she would have got it, regardless of which rink she is at.She didn’t, and Trusova didn’t land her quad loop either, yet. But I am just a bit sceptical about Trusova having 3A last year.
She was landing several in practice in 2019, at the home rink and in warm up.Did you actually see a decent 3A landed by Trusova last year?
- Zhilina was in the younger group, which Eteri mentors several times per week. She does not work one-on-one with each skater in that group on daily basis but still participates in the training process several times per week.First: Eteri didn't work with the Zhilinas for a minute! And you know this!
Second: How do you know Plushenko doesn't able to the teach jumps? According to his pupils he is able...
I believe you are afraid of the succes of school of Plushenko. Your Eteri will lose the hegemony.
So it's not really that serious then?Zhulin informs on Sinitsina's condition.
Медики в Германии подтвердили воспаление коленного сухожилия у фигуристки Синициной
По словам Александра Жулина, спортсменке сейчас нужны покой и процедурыtass.ru
German doctors have confirmed the initial diagnosis for the injury of the European champion Victoria Sinitsina, performing in ice dancing with Nikita Katsalapov - the skater has an inflammation of the knee tendon. Needs rest and proper treatment. As soon as the pain goes away, we will start training, we will prepare for the Grand Prix stage in Moscow, said Zhulin.
- Pluschenko had several junior and senior ladies (before Trusova and Zhilina) and not only he did not teach them quads, he was not able to bring them to a podium at major competitions (except for GP medals for Tarakanova, during the first several months after she came to him from Eteri's group, and then he failed Tarakanova badly and insulted her publicly...
- There is no success so far in the school of Pluschenko. He is working with several STOLEN from other coaches skaters - Tutberidze, Davydov, CSKA Moscow, SCA St. Pete club. Two of these skaters (Trusova and Zhilina) came with quads from Tutberidze's group.
At present, Trusova is continuing to develop what she learned in Tutberideze's group. Pluschenko is yet to teach her something she has not been learning already, for example upgrade her spins, which she barely gets to L3.well, Trusova does have triple axel and quad loop which she didn’t have last season. At the moment she put in her program only the axel and is still working on the loop, but in the video clip it was landed clean. So I wouldn’t be so sure that Pluschenko can’t teach jumps.
Also, younger Zhilina landed her triple axel. She didn’t have that last year. I am not taking anything from Tutberidze’s group about the role her school played in those girls’ development, but both girls are definitely moving forward, rather than stagnating only with the skills they had before.
Forget about their "methods," jumps, coaching styles, etc., because what I want to know and the thing that really gets under my skin about Plushy vs. Eteri, is who has the better hairdo? That keeps me up at night...
Well, there are no more jumps if you count the 3A and quad Lutz as Tutberidze’s achievement. But then again, considering that Tutberidze admits into her group only kids with triples, she is also only building on what other coached the kids.At present, Trusova is continuing to develop what she learned in Tutberideze's group. Pluschenko is yet to teach her something she has not been learning already, for example upgrade her spins, which she barely gets to L3.
I think you contradict yourself a bit. Pluschenko has been coaching only for a few years, so it would be impossible to have a junior age skater whom he had from a very young age.
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- Pluschenko started his school in 2017. Since then he had "big names" such as Sotnikova, Konstantinova, Sakhanovich, Tarakanova, Ryabova (still with him) and they did not progress. He had/has several junior "going into seniors" ladies, and they are still "no names".About your constant allegations that he is stealing skaters - well, do you think you can be stolen? .....
No. Eteri didn't work with them. Plus the mentor is not a coach. LOL! They worked with Rozanov and the base was given by their mother. Period.- Zhilina was in the younger group, which Eteri mentors several times per week. She does not work one-on-one with each skater in that group on daily basis but still participates in the training process several times per week.
- Pluschenko had several junior and senior ladies (before Trusova and Zhilina) and not only he did not teach them quads, he was not able to bring them to a podium at major competitions (except for GP medals for Tarakanova, during the first several months after she came to him from Eteri's group, and then he failed Tarakanova badly and insulted her publicly...
- There is no success so far in the school of Pluschenko. He is working with several STOLEN from other coaches skaters - Tutberidze, Davydov, CSKA Moscow, SCA St. Pete club. Two of these skaters (Trusova and Zhilina) came with quads from Tutberidze's group.
He has no other skaters with quads. And he has NO skaters whom he taught quads. Plus, it is not him who teaches jumps, it is Volkov (who is in his club but independant) and now Rozanov. Pluschenko just runs his mouth for all of them....
Well, there are no more jumps if you count the 3A and quad Lutz as Tutberidze’s achievement. But then again, considering that Tutberidze admits into her group only kids with triples, she is also only building on what other coached the kids.
About Zhilina not being Pluschenko’s because she is Rozanov’s skater, according to this theory how can you prove that any of Tutberidze’s skater is actually Tutberidze’s skater? They may be also Rozanov’s if it was Rozanov who taught them the jumps. Or they might be Dudakov’s skaters. How can you prove that Tutberidze actually taught them anything, if you are disputing whether Pluschenko taught Zhilina anything?
It seems that for your argument it is very important where a skater started to learn a certain jump. Trusova started learning 3A and quad Loop in Tutberidze, Zhilina (or both Zhilina girls?) started learning their hard jumps at Tutberidze’s group.... But for the skaters’s competitive results, it is actually more important where the skaters learned the element well enough to be able to use it. I started learning a lot of elements that I never managed to get into such stage that I would be able to use in competitions. That means starting to learn is useless, if one doesn’t actually learn it enough to use it. I started learning Japanese, but unless I get it to certain stage, I won’t be able to communicate in Japanese. (And I am far, far from that stage).
I don't feel like searching for photos where Tutberidze is interacting with Zhilina during "junior group" practice, but they are out there....No. Eteri didn't work with them. Plus the mentor is not a coach. LOL! They worked with Rozanov and the base was given by their mother. Period.
Te other text is just blah-blah...blank wording.
Well maybe he's just waiting for his good buddy Katsalapov to retire so they can all join forces with Sotnikova, since we've begun writing a tela novela. She may need the help, right?I don't feel like searching for photos where Tutberidze is interacting with Zhilina during "junior group" practice, but they are out there....
Zhilina was and is Rozanov's skater... not Eteri's, and not Plush's. If and when Rozanov leaves Pluschenko (and he will since his goal is to open his own school, that's no secret), Zhilina will most likely go with him. Rozanov is waiting for a chance to start his own club, and not work for someone.