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I believe it is the same difficult for Medvedeva to stick around because of three A-s... Medvedeva had her chance in 2018 only because the three A-s didn't compete in seniors yet.
From Russia with Love [#34]: Autumn 2019
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Why isn't he eligible?
Age? He is old enough, he skated CS already.
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Zagitova might have sponsors who she signed with to stick around even if she doesn't make it to the top 3. Just my speculation
Well we will see what the caller at Rus Nats will do on the jump edges and rotations of the top 6 (3 newbies vs 3 world champs). All 6 of them can be susceptible to calls. This caller is the one who truly matters and I hope s/he is a consistent and strict one.
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I much prefer Zagitova to Medvedeva, and she's come out ahead every time they've competed head to head for the last three seasons and that's what counts. In Russia, it's what happens at nationals that matters.
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Tell that to Konstantinova
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It has free skates only, and no one is eligible for WS points, PB's, or TES minimums. The ISU allows skaters and judges to participate without violating ISU rules.
it is unfortunate Medvedeva got injured. Even with injury her Olympic LP tie Zagitova’ backloaded program. Thats very telling
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Because he did not receive a JGP assignment which gives automatic entry to junior nationals. So he, like Kanysheva, must go through the junior cup events to qualify. Therefore he is not eligible for senior nationals because he is competing in the junior cup events and not the senior ones. For singles skaters at least, you can't do both. ((I say that because K/I did junior/senior cups this year but they may have a bye to junior nationals like Erokhov (previous JW medalist, etc) so maybe they can do both, Kovalev isn't going to get a bye though.)) His second event is Cup V (juniors), he won his first one.
Similar thing happened to Mozalev last year when he competed in the first junior cup, received a JGP but failed to qualify for the JGPF. He couldn't qualify for senior nationals because he had already done a junior cup event and thus couldn't compete in the senior ones to qualify for senior nationals.
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I guess you've forgotten Worlds last season. And Russian nationals. But the past doesn't matter. This is a new season, new comps, new results. Right now the 4As look good for the GPF.
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It is going to be always a losing battle if we start to see a tie as a victory. For the record, Zagitova won the TES at the Olympics. Now Medvedeva doesn’t even have that advantage.
Not sure what you’re talking about, but Zhenya’s FS TES at Skate Canada, and both her SP and FS TES at Autumn Classic, were all higher than Alina’s SP and FS TES in France.
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I was replying to someone talking about tie for the LP at the Olympics.
Yes I understand that, but you ended your post by saying that “Now Medvedeva doesn’t even have that advantage.” What did you mean? To me it sounded like you were saying something about Medvedeva and Zagitova’s current TES or scoring. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
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I wanted to add that she won on PCS and now she doesn't have that advantage either... so was my bad...
I never said a tie was a victory. But it certainly shows that Zagitova won because of the backloading bonus (which was within rules.) And shows how good an injured Medvedeva was at that time facing a healthy Zagitova. No reason not to give credit where due or try to discredit Medvedeva.
of course this season is different but just beginning. I expect both improvements and interesting to see what Sasha Anna and Alena will continue to improvement with.
of course this season is different but just beginning. I expect both improvements and interesting to see what Sasha Anna and Alena will continue to improvement with.
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Well, you could ask that question of almost ALL the ladies in all the countries. Those with a 3A can skate by (pun intended) but most others are left in the dust.
Neither Zag nor Med can keep up technically. Have any of Eteri's skaters continued their results past puberty? Med and Zags already had women's bodies when they competed inthe last cycle. Med's skating has vastly improved. She could pull a Kostner.
As to pairs, I think B/K are a lock for Nats, Euros, Worlds. They have a very potent secret weapon - Moskvina
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A little interview with Alena Kostornaya.
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small excerpt.
-Since childhood, you get compliments for your conscious and mature skating.
It is very interesting to me to hear this time by time, but in fact, I don’t see any particular difference between me and the other girls.
-You really don’t see the difference between how you glide and how the others do?
I don’t pay attention, probably. We all skate and skate. Here is the hand, here is the leg, something like that.
She says more that before she wanted to become neurosurgeon but now she doesn’t have enough time to study all the necessary subjects for this profession and is interested to become a journalist. And to interview Simone Biles.
Алена Косторная: хочу стать журналисткой и взять интервью у Симоны Байлз
Победительница французского этапа Гран-при по фигурному катанию Алена Косторная рассказала РИА Новости, почему не сразу забывается юниорский спорт, почему... РИА Новости Спорт, 04.11.2019
small excerpt.
-Since childhood, you get compliments for your conscious and mature skating.
It is very interesting to me to hear this time by time, but in fact, I don’t see any particular difference between me and the other girls.
-You really don’t see the difference between how you glide and how the others do?
I don’t pay attention, probably. We all skate and skate. Here is the hand, here is the leg, something like that.
She says more that before she wanted to become neurosurgeon but now she doesn’t have enough time to study all the necessary subjects for this profession and is interested to become a journalist. And to interview Simone Biles.
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Zagitova is skating until 2022, it's a fact, unless something beyond her control happens. Medvedeva is probably too, but she may return and skate in Russia at some point @ CSKA rink. Tuktamysheva, if she does not make the team or gets into GPF might skate as long as she and Mishing deem it necessary, and the Feds will be willing to keep her on the team at one level or the other, and her financial situation.
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A praise for Tutberidze, Dudakov, Gleikh, when they say "each girl gets an equal chance and our maximum" - they mean it! Three events - 3 Golds. May the best one win.
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Other bits and pieces of news from Russian FS, not yet covered.
- Kamila Valieva (Sambo-70) is training. from the rink today.
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- Daria Usacheva (Sambo-70) won Russian Cup - Segment III - Junior Ladies.
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- Vsevolod Knyazev (Sambo-70) won Russian Cup - Segment III - Junior Boys (he just transferred from Novice and will be skating in JGP next season)
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- Maria Dimitrieva (Star Ice, St. Pete, coach: Pisarenko) has mastered 3A and performed in competition RC-III
- Liza Berestovskaya (CSKA rink, coach: S. Davydov) has mastered 4T and performed in competition RC-III
- Kamila Valieva (Sambo-70) is training. from the rink today.
Team.KamilaValieva on Instagram: “❇️ Сегодня утром ✅ . . Via Дарья Александрова 🙏🏿👍🏼🌹 ⛸ ⛸ #kamilavalieva #камилавалиева #figureskating #patinajeartistico…”
378 Likes, 3 Comments - Team.KamilaValieva (@team.kamilavalieva) on Instagram: “❇️ Сегодня утром ✅ . . Via Дарья Александрова 🙏🏿👍🏼🌹 ⛸ ⛸ #kamilavalieva #камилавалиева…”
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- Daria Usacheva (Sambo-70) won Russian Cup - Segment III - Junior Ladies.
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- Vsevolod Knyazev (Sambo-70) won Russian Cup - Segment III - Junior Boys (he just transferred from Novice and will be skating in JGP next season)
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- Maria Dimitrieva (Star Ice, St. Pete, coach: Pisarenko) has mastered 3A and performed in competition RC-III
- Liza Berestovskaya (CSKA rink, coach: S. Davydov) has mastered 4T and performed in competition RC-III
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I rarely post these days, more of an avid lurker. I've caught up on the last few pages of this thread and simply say this. IMHO - Elizaveta, Evgenia, Alina Z, Anna, Alexandra, Alena, and soon Kamila are absolute phenoms. I've enjoyed watching all of them succeed. Props to each one of these young ladies and the teams that develop them. For Liza, Evgenia, and Alina Z, may they continue for themselves and simply the joy of skating. For the 3 A's and Kamila, may they do the same as they propel ladies skating. Medals are nice, but at the end of the day, if they feel good about what they are doing, that is what defines success for a lifetime.
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I like to remind folks that when they say technically superior they mean jumping superior. I know it doesn't matter because ISU equates "jumping" and "technical". I did a little survey a couple of years ago. Among the top 6 men at worlds and olympics someting like 80% of the technical score came from jumping. Maybe less now that jump values have been reduced.
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At least in most other countries, the ladies still have a chance to make the national team without the content (Medvedeva & Zagitova would still be going to Euros, Worlds, etc if they competed for another country). Impossible to pull a Kostner in Russia.Well, you could ask that question of almost ALL the ladies in all the countries. Those with a 3A can skate by (pun intended) but most others are left in the dust.
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Thank you for this. Because as much I admire Trusova and adore Scherbakova, technical superiority (in the context of this discussion) is absolutely limited to jumps. It started with Zagitova really, because Medvedeva was in a league of her own at her peak. Kostornaia is a complete package though. Can't wait to see how it all works out this year.
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Several technical elements, besides jumps, are scored and assigned levels, which play significant role in the total score, and lack of quality in any of them can lose an event for skater: several spin combinations and step sequences.
In SP - tech. elements: 3 jump elements, and 4 other elements.
In FS - tech. elements: 7 jump elements, and 5 other elements.
... and we know that even if high tech score, you can still win with PCS.
The number of jump-elements has not increased, it just that these elements "are getting a bit harder".
There were days when most people jumped doubles, and triples were a big deal, and then 3x3 was considered out of this world..... Evolution, you can't stop it. Figure Skating is a SPORT, not a theatrical venue..
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Oh, let the Russian girls skate as long as they want. They aren't hurting anybody, and they're still miles better than a lot of the girls from other countries who get to go to Worlds. I personally enjoy watching them all skate.
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