From Russia with Love [#34]: Autumn 2019

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Zagitova skates strangely, it's hard to watch. Tuk Med and Zag are all sort of challenged in diff ways anymore, all 3 could retire and very little would change at the top
And what will happen if one of Trusova/Scherbakova/Kostornaia gets injured? Or starts going through puberty?
Of course, I don’t wish them any injuries, but life is life and you can’t predict the future.
 
Zagitova skates strangely, it's hard to watch. Tuk Med and Zag are all sort of challenged in diff ways anymore, all 3 could retire and very little would change at the top

Ok, they all retire and then one or more of Eteri's girls get injured or become ill...then what?

Why should any of those 3 retire if Leonova, Sotskova, Konstantinova, Sakhanovich, Samodurova, etc. are still sticking around? Part of being an athlete is dealing with challenges...you don't just quit because it's not easy for you to win any more. Quitting because you feel like it and want to move on is another thing and it's up to them, and them only, to decide when that is.
 
I don’t think poster meant they need to retire. I read it as IF they retired top 3 remain the same. That is truth. Good points about injuries and growth though. It’s always possibility with any skater
 
Zagitova skates strangely, it's hard to watch. Tuk Med and Zag are all sort of challenged in diff ways anymore, all 3 could retire and very little would change at the top

I enjoy watching Zagitova skate and compete.

If Tuk, Med and Zag retire, and one or two of the three A’s has an injury or sickness, a lot could change very quickly for Russia. They may not have enough top skaters to fill the gap. Valieva and others are still juniors.
 
I feel like Zagitova will be done after this season; she has nothing to prove. Medvedeva is an interesting case. She is skating for the experience of it, different type of growth if you will. She's just challenging herself. The problem is, how does she stay in competitive skating given the abundance of younger, technically superior talent in Russia?
 
I feel like Zagitova will be done after this season; she has nothing to prove. Medvedeva is an interesting case. She is skating for the experience of it, different type of growth if you will. She's just challenging herself. The problem is, how does she stay in competitive skating given the abundance of younger, technically superior talent in Russia?

Zagitova is also skating for herself now, she skates with abandonment because some of the pressure is off after winning Worlds, so if Med skates for herself she should just retire too ?

did you watch Zagitovas gala in France, ?
 
I feel like Zagitova will be done after this season; she has nothing to prove. Medvedeva is an interesting case. She is skating for the experience of it, different type of growth if you will. She's just challenging herself. The problem is, how does she stay in competitive skating given the abundance of younger, technically superior talent in Russia?
I really don’t believe the PR spin Medvedeva’s team is pulling, she really wants the gold medal at Olympics and hence she is skating. They hope they will be in frame for the Olympics as well. Highly unlikely that she will make the team considering how weak she is technical considered to the Eteri trio that she unleashed this year, and also Valieva, who will turn senior was the Olympics year.
 
I really don’t believe the PR spin Medvedeva’s team is pulling, she really wants the gold medal at Olympics and hence she is skating. They hope they will be in frame for the Olympics as well. Highly unlikely that she will make the team considering how weak she is technical considered to the Eteri trio that she unleashed this year, and also Valieva, who will turn senior was the Olympics year.

she might still be competitive if she gets a 4Sal, she better start attempting them next season if she wants to stay in the mix.
 
I really don’t believe the PR spin Medvedeva’s team is pulling, she really wants the gold medal at Olympics and hence she is skating. They hope they will be in frame for the Olympics as well. Highly unlikely that she will make the team considering how weak she is technical considered to the Eteri trio that she unleashed this year, and also Valieva, who will turn senior was the Olympics year.
I am sorry, what PR spin? My personal impression is that Med is skating for herself, whatever that means. What does her team have to do with it? I've been around long enough to have my own opinions. Color me confused about your post.
 
I am sorry, what PR spin? My personal impression is that Med is skating for herself, whatever that means. What does her team have to do with it? I've been around long enough to have my own opinions. Color me confused about your post.
I am talking about in general and i was stating my opinion on her team.
 
Wouldn't every skater like a gold medal at the Olympics? It's possible to have a dream and at the same time have other goals and motivations for skating more grounded in reality. Surely you cannot read her mind, and I don't see why it even matters to anyone else why she continues. Is she supposed to talk about desperately wanting OGM in every interview, or else her team is somehow being dishonest? Because I'm sure that would go over great.
 
I feel like Zagitova will be done after this season; she has nothing to prove. Medvedeva is an interesting case. She is skating for the experience of it, different type of growth if you will. She's just challenging herself. The problem is, how does she stay in competitive skating given the abundance of younger, technically superior talent in Russia?
Why Zagitova must be done and can not skate for herself? She too has the right to challenge herself.
 
Why Zagitova must be done and can not skate for herself? She too has the right to challenge herself.
I don't think it's an issue of must, but the opportunities for her are there if she chooses to step away from competitive skating, and if the major events in the sport - Europeans, Worlds, & Olympics - are out of reach it may be that she looks to new challenges in a different area of skating.
 
I don't think it's an issue of must, but the opportunities for her are there if she chooses to step away from competitive skating, and if the major events in the sport - Europeans, Worlds, & Olympics - are out of reach it may be that she looks to new challenges in a different area of skating.
She has not shown any wish or plan to do so. Just like Medvedeva. They probably have some plan B+ what we don't understand yet. :giggle:
 
Why Zagitova must be done and can not skate for herself? She too has the right to challenge herself.
It's difficult for Alina to stick around because there are three girls ready to take over. Which would push Zagitova out of the national team for the Euros and the Worlds. So it's not a matter of having the right, it's a matter of having the opportunity. Medvedeva may have been dethroned by Zagitova in 2018, but she still had a chance to make the national team for major events. Things have accelerated since then, and Zagitova is experiencing the same situation as Medvedeva, times three.
 
Tuk Med and Zag are all sort of challenged in diff ways anymore, all 3 could retire and very little would change at the top

One could have said the same of Tuk back in 2014 and yet the ladies who were ahead of her then are all gone. And there has been all kinds of turmoil in the ranks among the Japanese ladies also. It doesn't matter if the ranks at the top would change right now. What matters is whether they might change by 2022.

Wakaba has so much power. I think it's worth it for her to stay in and fight--see if she can come back like Kaetlyn & Tuk. Med looked very good at Skate Canada. I think she shocked herself by overpowering the double axel and that took her mind out of the game. Watching Kaori this week was like a rerun of the same thing. Physically, they were both ready.

You really never know. Sometimes you have an athlete that wants nothing short of gold early in their career and later a bronze can mean just as much.

You look at Khorkina and Kostner and Patrick Chan. Mirai was counted out so many times during the years between 2010 and 2018. She now has a team Olympic bronze medal. There are a lot of different ways to live out a dream, and they often do not happen on the same schedule as promoters and fans and the athletes themselves expect.
 
Zagitova looked stunning and her skating is getting the look of maturity. I believe she is going in the right direction stylistically and choreographically, yet her execution is still relatively quite sloppy.

Jump-wise I wouldn't be too harsh on the 'strict caller'. I think it is great that the caller dared to call her out on the flawed jumps - just as long as the caller is consistent across competitors. Better here than later in the season. She can fix those little things. Spins were wonderful. Look at her gala skate when she held a spiral for an extended period of time - so beautiful. Too bad she couldn't find a place for that in her competitive programs.

To be frank - there is a good chance a fully clean competition (without calls) would still not be enough to match the 3 new phenoms if they all landed their big tricks and went clean as well. But who knows if any of them would make mistakes - risk is too high. She needs to stay focused on herself and not be emotionally wrecked by being defeated by 2 of them already.
 
Med had a terrible SP at Skate Canada and still outscored Tuk with her 3As and Zag with fairly clean skates (yes, over different panels.) I don’t think Med can beat Trusova’s arsenal or Kosternaia, who is almost as good a storyteller as she is and has the 3A and glorious skating skills to boot. But the third spot is still a possibility if Scher doesn’t land her 4L and she skates clean. Zag is a strange skater, I agree, and she’s just not pleasing to watch. Tuk is a trip but has glaring weaknesses. So it’s still a crapshoot although I think barring injury the top 2 spots are firmly taken.
 
Med had a terrible SP at Skate Canada and still outscored Tuk with her 3As and Zag with fairly clean skates (yes, over different panels.) I don’t think Med can beat Trusova’s arsenal or Kosternaia, who is almost as good a storyteller as she is and has the 3A and glorious skating skills to boot. But the third spot is still a possibility if Scher doesn’t land her 4L and she skates clean. Zag is a strange skater, I agree, and she’s just not pleasing to watch. Tuk is a trip but has glaring weaknesses. So it’s still a crapshoot although I think barring injury the top 2 spots are firmly taken.
Medvedeva did not outscore Zagitova or Tuktamysheva with her Skate Canada score. She got 209 there. The score that put her higher on the list is from some September competition.
 
Medvedeva did not outscore Zagitova or Tuktamysheva with her Skate Canada score. She got 209 there. The score that put her higher on the list is from some September competition.

i stand corrected. The point that she is still competitive with the other two older skaters stands, however.
 
Med had a terrible SP at Skate Canada and still outscored Tuk with her 3As and Zag with fairly clean skates (yes, over different panels.) I don’t think Med can beat Trusova’s arsenal or Kosternaia, who is almost as good a storyteller as she is and has the 3A and glorious skating skills to boot. But the third spot is still a possibility if Scher doesn’t land her 4L and she skates clean. Zag is a strange skater, I agree, and she’s just not pleasing to watch. Tuk is a trip but has glaring weaknesses. So it’s still a crapshoot although I think barring injury the top 2 spots are firmly taken.
Zagitova has never really deserved her sky high PCS. I didn’t think the judges were ever going to let those PCS deflate as long as she was still landing her jumps. I thought RusFed was protecting her by pairing her with Kostornaia. But actually maybe this pairing was the only one that could’ve made her PCS come down to earth. Kostornaia is so much better both technically and artistically. The contrast is really obvious. With the other two A’s, Zagitova would’ve looked to be most deserving of her PCS against their 8’s.
 
Medvedeva did not outscore Zagitova or Tuktamysheva with her Skate Canada score. She got 209 there. The score that put her higher on the list is from some September competition.
I think the point is she outscored them both solidly in the free even with a lutz edge call and two of three spins with pretty low GOE and an average 2a . In watching Zag this weekend I could actually appreciate how much Med has improved this past year. She’s faster, smoother skating, sal/loop combo. The lutz is a problem but really it’s the spins that she’s losing points to others on. Apparently her back is still a problem and they are careful but hopefully they progress
 
I think the point is she outscored them both solidly in the free even with a lutz edge call and two of three spins with pretty low GOE and an average 2a . In watching Zag this weekend I could actually appreciate how much Med has improved this past year. She’s faster, smoother skating, sal/loop combo. The lutz is a problem but really it’s the spins that she’s losing points to others on. Apparently her back is still a problem and they are careful but hopefully they progress
That was not the point that I was responding to. You are making a different point, to which I can say that Zagitova got not one, but two edge calls, four underrotation calls, nearly fell on one of her jumps and still only lost 5 points in the free to clean Medvedeva. You can look at it both ways.
 
That was not the point that I was responding to. You are making a different point, to which I can say that Zagitova got not one, but two edge calls, four underrotation calls, nearly fell on one of her jumps and still only lost 5 points in the free to clean Medvedeva. You can look at it both ways.
As I said, Med was not ‘clean’- one edge call, 1 dodgy flip landing, 2 marginal 2a, 2 not great spins. The point being that clean to clean they are both still competitive
 
But the third spot is still a possibility if Scher doesn’t land her 4L and she skates clean.
Speaking of Scherbakova, to me her quad lutz (and triple lutz) always looked like a flutz.
I believe that it isn’t fair that while others get punished for their mistakes and wrong technique (Medvedeva, Kostornaia, even Zagitova got E and ! at IdF), judges turn a blind eye to her quad.
 
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