From Russia with Love [#34]: Autumn 2019

[Tinami Amori]

Also interesting reading: https://fs-gossips.com/kiira-korpi-...u-find-out-how-everything-is-arranged-inside/

Korpi has an agenda, several.. and i don't care to go into it. She would not be listened to "in the west" now, given her rather mediocre results, if she did not push the "evil Russians" line. She sounded quite different when "russia/russian" was interesting to her...

Any teacher will tell you that girls up to a certain age are greater people pleasers than boys.

(in an alternate reality....)

 

[Tinami Amori]

I developed a soft-spot for Boikova-Kozlovsky very recently, after Boikova, said that (my summary): classical music is the only true music. the modern stuff is noise"....
(she was quoted, from something she wrote in IG or her other social media, don't remember).

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B: "don't want to complain, but tomorrow is a school day and an upcoming test, and skating season is starting, and many more things are happenings... So i just want to talk about music. What do they call "music" today? Is there such thing in the modern world?

For me, music exists in harmony of sound, aesthetics of sound and a beautiful combination of notes. More and more often, it seems to me that musical compositions now exist only in the classical works of Bach, Chopin, Tchaikovsky ...

Yet the contemporary composers' works have no real music. Yes, there are songs, but it's not quite "it". These songs do not entice any intellectual process, they do not engage you into deep thinking process, do not draw any pictures in the person's imagination, do not fill one spiritually.

When one listens to the classical pieces, one feels something, because music evokes emotions, experiences, it triggers a person’s fantasy and imagination. At times it feels unbearable for me to listen to contemporary performers, while at the same time i can sit the whole day listening to the Moonlight Sonata or Tchaikovsky’s concerts, trying to go into the depth of its' meaning, and to discover something new.

It seems to me that if so many of those masterpieces had not been written back in the days,, in our time people would never know what real music is.

And please tell me what does "music" means to you, and the concept of "music"? Do you hear/feel any harmony in modern works?...wrote Boykova.

 

[Spun Silver]

What an unusual, sensitive young woman. I love her even more!

 

[TAHbKA]

Korpi has an agenda, several.. and i don't care to go into it. She would not be listened to "in the west" now, given her rather mediocre results, if she did not push the "evil Russians" line. She sounded quite different when "russia/russian" was interesting to her...

According to the interview Korpi doesn't say a thing about Russia and her agenda is Finland. Just sayin....

When you talk about the human cost, you mean not a lost childhood, but rather human dignity. Do you assume that it’s being infringed in the case of Anna Shcherbakova, Alexandra Trusova, Russian skater-geeks?
– I wouldn’t concentrate here on one coach, one country. The problem exists not only in Russia, it’s global. I was very frank about this topic in Finland, talking about coaches abuses and outdated working methods. Shouting, humiliation, using fear as a motivation and things like that. It turns out that the athlete is just a product of the system.
Unfortunately, in Finland the federation supports this. Obviously, they want to have medals, money. And athletes cannot even ask questions. It becomes common, everyone does it. It took me several years after the end of my career to understand the abnormality of such methods. In the long run, it harms mental and physical health. I even wrote a book in Finland on this topic, after which a discussion arose what is a coach’s work from an ethical perspective and what kind of mindset should be in the 21st century.

 

[Ka3sha]

Channel 1 interview with Evgenia Medvedeva and Shaw-Lynn Bourne (20-minutes long).

Евгения Медведева и Мемуары гейши: как создавалась программа с Ше-Линн Бурн

Тема из фильма «Мемуары гейши» легла в основу новой произвольной программы Евгении Медведевой. Над ней Женя работала с одним из самых известных постановщиков...

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Was recorded back in summer while they were working on her Memoirs of a Geisha LP

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

Korpi has an agenda, several.. and i don't care to go into it. She would not be listened to "in the west" now, given her rather mediocre results, if she did not push the "evil Russians" line. She sounded quite different when "russia/russian" was interesting to her...

Shhhhhhh... Run for you life @Tinami Amori - it's a dangerous world out there... Full of anti-Russian conspiracies and agendas.

 

[hanca]

@Tinami Amori , could you post the results from the competition of 2nd stage of St Peter. My tablet is again making quite a mess out of the result table. I am interested mostly in pairs and ladies, please. Thank you very much. (See link below. When I open it, illegible mess appears, various signs rather than letters. And no, it is not azbuka.)

2 ýòàï Êóáêà Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãà

 

[Sylvia]

Since Tinami has been dealing with power outages, I've copied out results in the Russian competitions thread in Kiss & Cry: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...ional-competitions.105888/page-6#post-5671992

ETA (originally posted in the Archives section of FSU):

A translation of an interview Kiira [Korpi] gave in Russia. She feels strongly that the whole system needs to be addressed with regards to the physical and mental health of the athlete. I really appreciated the way she didn't just focus on Eteri and the 3A's but on the entire FS culture throughout the world.
...
(perhaps this should be in some other thread?

The article translation link also was posted in this GSD thread: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...ve-training-environments.106047/#post-5668608

 

[reut]

Channel 1 "portrait" of Alena Kostornaia

Алена Косторная: группа Тутберидзе, золото, единороги

Победительница финала юниорского Гран-при Алена Косторная проводит свой первый сезон на взрослом уровне. Алена вспоминает, когда захотела попасть в группу Эт...

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[love_skate2011]

a sad ending to Meds career ends with consistency (once she was famous for). I don't think we'll see her at any world championships ever again.

I guess moving to Canada was a big mistake, the consistency is gone so she cant keep with upcomers.

 

[zoe111]

a sad ending to Meds career ends with consistency (once she was famous for). I don't think we'll see her at any world championships ever again.

I guess moving to Canada was a big mistake, the consistency is gone so she cant keep with upcomers.

WTF? She’s improved quite noticeably I’d say. The FS was very good and everyone’s allowed a bad day (the short), just ask Zagitova after Russian nationals last year. Med was rock solid in practice.

 

[love_skate2011]

WTF? She’s improved quite noticeably I’d say. The FS was very good and everyone’s allowed a bad day (the short), just ask Zagitova after Russian nationals last year. Med was rock solid in practice.

NO GPF, reputation further degraded
Zagitova is on her 3rd senior season, despite last seasons downturn she meddled in her GP events and made it to Euros and Worlds, will Med make the Euros and Worlds team ? highly unlikely.

she's done imo.

 

[Tinami Amori]

According to the interview Korpi doesn't say a thing about Russia and her agenda is Finland. Just sayin....

oh please.....she posted comments right after Shcherbakova was announced a winner with a video of Shcherbakova!

Kiira Korpi: Figure skating is like a church: everything is beautiful outside until you find out how everything is arranged inside

Very interesting interview with Kiira Korpi about training system and coaches.

fs-gossips.com

"During Skate America she posted a video of Anna Scherbakova and wondered about human cost of such performances:

Am I the only one having mixed feelings when watching these astonishing young skaters? I’m in
AWE of their incredible skills, but I also can’t stop thinking what’s the human cost of this level of performance at this age?"

And it was all over Russian internet, her post on twitter with video of Shcherbakova.....

«Мысли о цене успеха не дают полностью наслаждаться выступлениями россиянок». Фигуристка Корпи — о методах работы Тутберидзе

Призер чемпионата Европы Киира Корпи — о правах детей-фигуристов, подопечных Тутберидзе и нравах в США.

www.sport-express.ru

 

[Tinami Amori]

I see that the audience at Skate Canada are just "thrilled" about Trusova's quads.....

https://i.imgur.com/Sb0scTc.jpg

Anyone is still interested in Russian Boys jumping quads? just for you guys, courtesy of TeamTutberidze, last night.
Mark Lukin's 4T.

VK.com | VK

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Just FYI for those who followed Elena Vaytsekhovskaya's articles about figure skating.
As of today she is no longer with R-sport/RIA. Said to have left because of internal disagreements with management...
no news about her next employement.

Журналист Елена Вайцеховская ушла из редакции «Р-Спорт»

Журналист Елена Вайцеховская ушла из редакции «Р-Спорт», где проработала два года.

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[Tavi]

NO GPF, reputation further degraded
Zagitova is on her 3rd senior season, despite last seasons downturn she meddled in her GP events and made it to Euros and Worlds, will Med make the Euros and Worlds team ? highly unlikely.

she's done imo.

Oy. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions but you present many of your opinions- such as “a sad ending to her career,” “consistency is gone,” “she can’t keep up with newcomers,” and “reputation degraded” - as facts.

It’s a fact that she made errors in her SP at Skate Canada. Based on that you can speculate that she’s unlikely to make the GPF. But until her career is over, you have no way of knowing whether it will have a sad ending.

 

[Cherub721]

oh please.....she posted comments right after Shcherbakova was announced a winner with a video of Shcherbakova!

Kiira Korpi: Figure skating is like a church: everything is beautiful outside until you find out how everything is arranged inside

Very interesting interview with Kiira Korpi about training system and coaches.

fs-gossips.com

"During Skate America she posted a video of Anna Scherbakova and wondered about human cost of such performances:

Coming from a girl who barely could do triples.

 

[Sylvia]

Kiira Korpi gave the interview after she was attacked on Twitter. I thought the translated version showed her concern for ALL young athletes, not just the Russians.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Kiira Korpi gave the interview after she was attacked on Twitter. I thought the translated version showed her concern for ALL young athletes, not just the Russians.

She posted her "concerns" with video of Shcherbakova. That's hardly "not about the Russians".

 

[Sylvia]

She posted her "concerns" with video of Shcherbakova. That's hardly "not about the Russians".

I'm not talking about Korpi's Oct. 20th tweet (subsequent RT article in English):

‘Pure envy!’ Finnish ‘Ice Princess’ Korpi slammed for questioning ‘incredible skills’ of quad-jumping skaters

Former Finnish figure skating star Kiira Korpi triggered a public debate on Twitter after questioning “the human cost” of the “incredible skills” displayed by quad-jumping female athletes.

www.rt.com

I'm talking about the translated interview:

Russian journalist interviewed Kiira about this situation. Here the translation of the interview.

Original interview by Dmitri Kuznetsov for sport-express.ru dd. October 24th, 2019

 

[Bigbird]

I wouldn't be so dismissive of Korpi, she never came across as a petty vindictive person. She is probably saying many of the things we know are true.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I'm not talking about Korpi's Oct. 20th tweet (subsequent RT article in English):

‘Pure envy!’ Finnish ‘Ice Princess’ Korpi slammed for questioning ‘incredible skills’ of quad-jumping skaters

Former Finnish figure skating star Kiira Korpi triggered a public debate on Twitter after questioning “the human cost” of the “incredible skills” displayed by quad-jumping female athletes.

www.rt.com

I'm talking about the translated interview:

I think we're not in disagreement. My original comment was about Korpi dishing it on russian girls. Someone objected saying she was not addressing the Russians, but issues in general. Where in fact she posted a link of Shcherbakova next to her "cocerns".

I wouldn't be so dismissive of Korpi, she never came across as a petty vindictive person. She is probably saying many of the things we know are true.

No. the exact description - some jealous "westerners" want to believe is true.... and making up stories and processing everything through "negativity", instead of seeing for what it is - Eteri's girls are talented and hard working.

 

[Bigbird]

I think we're not in disagreement. My original comment was about Korpi dishing it on russian girls. Someone objected saying she was not addressing the Russians, but issues in general. Where in fact she posted a link of Shcherbakova next to her "cocerns".


No. the exact description - some jealous "westerners" want to believe is true.... and making up stories and processing everything through "negativity", instead of seeing for what it is - Eteri's girls are talented and hard working.

Let's just agree to disagree here. What I would say though is that this sport isn't for everyone and if you don't fit the mold on a certain level you should consider yourself blessed. There is really no need to write a book because it's all rather obvious if you read between the lines.

 

[puglover]

Passing off comments from a former skater not known for controversy or poor sportsmanship as being motivated by envy and jealousy instead of sincere concern is very troubling to me. Especially when she also takes aim at the skating federation of her own country. If those who feel they were adversely affected by certain aspects of the culture surrounding skating do not speak up - then who will?

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

Passing off comments from a former skater not known for controversy or poor sportsmanship as being motivated by envy and jealousy instead of sincere concern is very troubling to me. Especially when she also takes aim at the skating federation of her own country. If those who feel they were adversely affected by certain aspects of the culture surrounding skating do not speak up - then who will?

When Dominique Moceanu accused the Karoliys of abuse in 2008, she was dismissed as a jealous, unrealized former student with an agenda. If only someone took a step back and listened to her... How many girls would have been spared?

 

[Deleted member 40371]

When Dominique Moceanu accused the Karoliys of abuse in 2008, she was dismissed as a jealous, unrealized former student with an agenda. If only someone took a step back and listened to her... How many girls would have been spared?

Moceanu was talking about her own federation, however the criticism is coming up in an era of Russian dominance from a Finnish athlete. Kiira talking about her own federation is fine, but using that to cast a shadow on another federation is were the problem lay. The logic here is that my federation sucks hence Russians should suck more since they have far more successful athletes.

 

[Polaris]

NO GPF, reputation further degraded
Zagitova is on her 3rd senior season, despite last seasons downturn she meddled in her GP events and made it to Euros and Worlds, will Med make the Euros and Worlds team ? highly unlikely.

she's done imo.

I'm going to start needing people who are so confident in their predictions to put money where their mouth is.

 

[oleada]

Re: Kostornaia’s stalker:

WakaHFans.com🎺🥑 on Twitter

“Answer about Kostrnaya's security from @Tatjana21 "The ISU and the Russian Skating Federation are aware of this person and security has been alerted. They cannot stop him from buying a ticket and coming in as a spectator, but they will watch out for him". #GPFigure #IFP2019”

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Answer about Kostrnaya's security from @Tatjana21
"The ISU and the Russian Skating Federation are aware of this person and security has been alerted. They cannot stop him from buying a ticket and coming in as a spectator, but they will watch out for him".

Ugh, I wish he could be banned. The last thing Aliona needs to worry about during competition is this creep.

 

[muffinplus]

Why can't they ban him?

 

[Marco]

Why can't they ban him?

They didn't ban corrupt judges, why ban a paying audience member?

 

[muffinplus]

They didn't ban corrupt judges, why ban a paying audience member?

Corrupt judges don't present a risk to someone's personal safety though...