2021 US Nationals RD: I'd Like to Chock with My Cutout Tonight

[rfisher]

Well that was pleasant but lacking the of Russian nationals rhythm dance. No Daddy Death Glares. No Khuda. Come on US dance teams. Step it up.

 

[Sylvia]

RD protocols: https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/27989/SEGM007.html

1 11 Madison Chock, All Year FSC / Evan Bates, Ann Arbor FSC 90.10
2 4 Madison Hubbell, Lansing SC / Zachary Donohue, Lansing SC 89.66
3 8 Kaitlin Hawayek, Detroit SC / Jean-Luc Baker, Seattle SC 85.28
4 9 Caroline Green, Pavilion SC of Cleveland Heights / Michael Parsons, Washington FSC 80.10
5 10 Molly Cesanek, ION FSC / Yehor Yehorov, Peninsula SC 71.11
6 5 Lorraine McNamara, Peninsula SC / Anton Spiridonov, ION FSC 65.87
7 3 Eva Pate, Strongsville SC / Logan Bye, SC of New York 64.37
8 6 Livvy Shilling, Columbus FSC / Alexander Petrov, Hershey FSC 53.81
9 1 Hilary Asher, Skokie Valley SC / Ryan ODonnell, SC of Houston 51.38
10 7 Breelie Taylor, Atlanta FSC / Tyler Vollmer, Los Angeles FSC 39.40
11 2 Cara Murphy, Arctic FSC / Joshua Levitt, Pittsburgh FSC 36.62

 

[Rukia]

Maybe not so much if worlds is cancelled.

Maybe, but I was already thinking it looked stale in practice

 

[caseyedwards]

So close! What a competition!!

 

[Spikefan]

Personally I do not like recycled programs after two seasons (even without a Worlds). I would not want to see the snake again next season but YMMV.

 

[topaz]

Per judges, Chock/Bates are beating them in skating skills now. SKATING SKILLS.

Just wow. I don't believe anyone in ice dance thinks C/B have better SS than Hubbell/Donahue. Except for US judges.

 

[yeslek]

Per judges, Chock/Bates are beating them in skating skills now. SKATING SKILLS.

Just wow. I don't believe anyone in ice dance thinks C/B have better SS than Hubbell/Donahue. Except for US judges.

It looks like they both got 9.55 to me...

 

[topaz]

It looks like they both got 9.55 to me...

Look at the individual judges scores.

 

[gkelly]

Look at the individual judges scores.

Two judges had Chock/Bates 0.25 higher than Hubbell/Donohue on Skating Skills. Two judges had Hubbell/Donohue 0.25 higher than Chock/Bates. Three had them tied. Even without dropping the high and low, they were perfectly tied on that component.

 

[topaz]

Two judges had Chock/Bates 0.25 higher than Hubbell/Donohue on Skating Skills. Two judges had Hubbell/Donohue 0.25 higher than Chock/Bates. Three had them tied. Even without dropping the high and low, they were perfectly tied on that component.

Two judges had C/B higher and I don't agree with that nor do I agree they should be tied in SS. The other components scores I feel they are tied. C/B should be slightly higher in performance components.

 

[Colonel Green]

I forget that Evan Bates is on his way to his fourth Olympics.

When thinking about changes in North American ice dance to come after Beijing, both Bates and Paul Poirier have been on every senior national dance podium but one one since 2008.

 

[skatfan]

Personally I do not like recycled programs after two seasons (even without a Worlds). I would not want to see the snake again next season but YMMV.

If there’s no Worlds we will have seen it this season exactly one time

 

[Wyliefan]

I know this is a very unusual season, but it feels to me like knowing the same program has been kept for three seasons would still make it feel stale, even if it had hardly been seen. It's a mindset that's hard to escape.

 

[Aceon6]

I know this is a very unusual season, but it feels to me like knowing the same program has been kept for three seasons would still make it feel stale, even if it had hardly been seen. It's a mindset that's hard to escape.

I disagree. With all the uncertainty this year, I think it’s prudent for teams to keep decent programs and save their money for the O season. Heck, if they’ve saved money, they might be able to afford music rights to something awesome. Or be able to work with multiple ballroom specialists.

 

[MacMadame]

Heck, if they’ve saved money, they might be able to afford music rights to something awesome

Skaters don't pay for music rights.

 

[Aceon6]

Skaters don't pay for music rights.

Right, I forgot.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I was gonna say that I'm kind of surprised that Chock and Bates kept both programs, and keeping the snake long was obvious, but they could have switched out the RD. But they were injured to start the season, right?

I disagree. With all the uncertainty this year, I think it’s prudent for teams to keep decent programs and save their money for the O season. Heck, if they’ve saved money, they might be able to afford music rights to something awesome. Or be able to work with multiple ballroom specialists.

Right, but the person you were replying to was saying not to keep it for 3 season, which would mean keeping it through the Olympics. I don't think anyone begrudges skaters keeping programs this year.

 

[Garden Kitty]

I watched part of the competition on Peacock this afternoon, but caught the rest on the NBCSN broadcast on my dvr. After listening to Tanith's commentary, I wish she could do my performance review at work. She manages to point out mistakes and weaknesses in the nicest possible way, constructively identifies what people can do to improve and also emphasizes what everyone does well.

 

[Colonel Green]

I was gonna say that I'm kind of surprised that Chock and Bates kept both programs, and keeping the snake long was obvious, but they could have switched out the RD. But they were injured to start the season, right?

They were actually planning to swap out the FD and keep the RD, but they had multiple training problems (Chock got injured, then they had a COVID exposure and had to quarantine a couple of weeks, etc.) and decided that wasn't viable.

 

[MacMadame]

The Snake program needs to live forever.

 

[winterchik]

how can you get 10 for a not so clean program?? what would you get for a clean program ??
and GEO of 4 on elements with mistakes !!

 

[Carolla5501]

how can you get 10 for a not so clean program?? what would you get for a clean program ??
and GEO of 4 on elements with mistakes !!

It's Ice Dance.

At least half the judges didn't even need to watch the programs, they know what is going to happen before they leave home

 

[thvu]

how can you get 10 for a not so clean program?? what would you get for a clean program ??
and GEO of 4 on elements with mistakes !!

Ice Dance judges of major feds tend to not have any shame. I’m pretty sure that’s actually a prereq.