From Russia With Love (No 32): Spring to Summer 2019

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I hope he wasn’t very disappointed in end result. If so he didn’t voice it. Maybe this is partly why Alina didn’t perform up to expectations this year. Hearing this stuff can’t be good for her mentally. Especially when she having issues with confidence self esteem and anxiety this season.
 
And good for Alina for winning. But most know if Rika had skated clean the end results would be different. Alina struggled all season. Many excuses were made. His comments are not reflective of the skater we saw. Not knowing how anyone could agree with him. Delusional
 
But, Rika didn't and Alina did. It doesn't matter what happened in other competitions. Zagitova delivered when it counted. It's hard to call them delusional when the precise results they wanted happened. Maybe not some fans, but what the skater and coaches wanted.
 
I think we're talking about two different things. If we're talking about winning Worlds, yes, Alina did that, and many congratulations to her. If we're talking about interpreting the Carmen and Phantom music better than anyone else has ever done, she did not do that, regardless of what her choreographer thinks.

She did have the best and most unique Phantom skating costume ever, though. So there's that.
 
Interpretation is one of the most subjective aspects of figure skating. Which makes it almost impossible to quantify.
 
Finsta said:
And good for Alina for winning. But most know if Rika had skated clean the end results would be different. Alina struggled all season. Many excuses were made. His comments are not reflective of the skater we saw. Not knowing how anyone could agree with him. Delusional
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If if if..... doesn’t work.

Rika didn’t deliver. Alina did.
 
Wyliefan said:
I think we're talking about two different things. If we're talking about winning Worlds, yes, Alina did that, and many congratulations to her. If we're talking about interpreting the Carmen and Phantom music better than anyone else has ever done, she did not do that, regardless of what her choreographer thinks.

She did have the best and most unique Phantom skating costume ever, though. So there's that.
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Agreed.
 
Wyliefan said:
If we're talking about interpreting the Carmen and Phantom music better than anyone else has ever done, she did not do that, regardless of what her choreographer thinks.
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I think her challenge mostly comes from having to interpret and skate to such choppy edits that didn't flow together to begin wtih.
 
Finsta said:
Wow. He must’ve been watching a different skater all season. A bit of ego and delusion in his comments. I hope they’re not telling her stuff like that because it’s not helping her.
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International Judges, at 6 events this season, thought that Zagitova's programmes are just fine, and great. That's why she placed 1st and 2nd all season, and won the Worlds.... ;)

Figure Skating is first of all an athletic competition, and the music and chore is there to support "athletic elements". Gleikh and TeamTutberidze produce great choreography, because it reflects the abilities, style and dynamics of each girl individually, plus incorporates effectively all the "rules of the day" to place ALL her top skaters on the podium and to win. Any way.... the JUDGES like it.... :D

Finsta said:
She was lucky To have skated clean at worlds and other skaters faltered. Not really memorable at all.
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Zagitova skated clean or near clean for 3 season prior to that, winning every prize there is to win, a second skater (besides Kim) to win Gold in all major events.

She won Worlds 2019 with a 12 point lead from the next competitor behind her, coming 1st in both SP and FS.

In SP, where her main competitor, Kihira, missed 3A, Zagitova had a 5+ point lead over clean Sakomoto and an almost 12 point lead over Kihira. Kihira, the only one who could beat clean Zagitova, was in 7th, with 6 girls ahead of her. Going into FS, there were 5 girls who could "benefit" from Kihira's lack of 3A in SP, but none of them earned Gold. In FS, Kihira was also marked 2nd behind Zagitova. The only one who benefited from Kihira's and Sakomoto's "faults" is Medvedeva, with total score of .31 above Kihira's and .97 above Sakomoto's

Zagitova won Worlds with all odds against her:
- a barrage of negativity "the wrong girl won the Olys" all season long, hyped up by North Americans, few interested parties and "Medvebots" in various shapes and forms, with intent to hurt Alina, Tutberidze's girls, and Tutberidze herself, while her mother was dying.

- not to mention all the bull-sh.t that "leaked from Orser's camp" against her coach, in one form or the other and was gladly exaggerated into nasty rumors and fake news.

- the hype "in her face" that the Japanese girls will beat her, and she can not catch up, because she does not have the 3A and "hiding some kind of injury".

- she won a) In Japan, b) against 3 top Japanese ladies who were projected to "sweep the podium", c) with a panel of International Judges who also knew "it is Japan, and Japanese Ladies are predicted to win and to medal..

In any case.... a media group put together an 11+ hours tape/video of the whole Worlds 2019 Ladies event, and Zagitova coverage, with comments (raving and praising comments) from various International broadcasts: Eurosport, Japan, Germany, UK, Russia, USA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=1HpzPgo6Tps

And in case someone remembers FS at Olys, here are the Brits raving about it..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWMYzx29GAs

Brace yourself, darling Finsta ... Team Tutberidze is going to be very interesting this season..;)
 
 
rfisher said:
Interpretation is one of the most subjective aspects of figure skating. Which makes it almost impossible to quantify.
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Alina's choreographer seems to have no problems "quantifying" it. As in, Alina's interprestation is the best. This has nothing to do with Alina - he's simply patting himself on the back. Alina is a little tiger, she deserves a lot of credit for winning the worlds and skating her best under pressure. As far as the actual program goes, there was no interpretation of any sort. Regarding of one's subjective taste. There was jumping to the music interrupted by unsightly elements in between.
 
Perky Shae Lynn said:
As far as the actual program goes, there was no interpretation of any sort. Regarding of one's subjective taste. There was jumping to the music interrupted by unsightly elements in between.
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I'll spare you the lecture of "the original Carmen suite with Plesetskaya's choreography", and the detailing of how well Alina suited the POTO... I'll just say that it is more than just your "subjective" taste..:p ... it is simply untrue...
At Worlds Alina's ..
SP PCS score is the highest of all - 37.36, with the highest Co and In scores of 9.43 and 9.50.
FS PCS score is the highest of all - 74.26, with the highest Co and In scores of 9.39 both.
:p
 
Tinami Amori said:
I'll spare you the lecture of "the original Carmen suite with Plesetskaya's choreography", and the detailing of how well Alina suited the POTO... I'll just say that it is more than just your "subjective" taste..:p ... it is simply untrue...
At Worlds Alina's ..
SP PCS score is the highest of all - 37.36, with the highest Co and In scores of 9.43 and 9.50.
FS PCS score is the highest of all - 74.26, with the highest Co and In scores of 9.39 both.
:p
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Copying a well known choreographic scheme does not constitute interpretation. :rolleyes:
 
Perky Shae Lynn said:
Do NOT put Alina and the divine Maya Plisetskaya (who I have been blessed to take a master class from years ago) in the same sentence.
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I put Alina anywhere i want. And yet, i will not put ANY skater and compare him/her to a ballet dancer.

Alina, given it is an ice programme, did the elements and dance moves from that ballet quite well.
Someone put together few clips of Alina's Carmen and Maya's dancing... for an ice programme there are some great matches. @ 0:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttJZux1cam8
 
Madison25 said:
Danny G. usually copies other ideas and combines in an atrocious way different pieces of music:(. But because today it is his birthday, I will just say that he is a weak choreographer.:D
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You can say it.... but for the last 4-5 years the multiple panels of International Judges, don't agree with you.. :D
Neither does Picasso's grand daughter... :p
https://www.instagram.com/p/BulYgmMHeu7/?hl=en
 
Tinami Amori said:
You can say it.... but for the last 4-5 years the multiple panels of International Judges, don't agree with you.. :D
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And judges are Gods who know all about choreography?:D It's a well-known fact that PCS are not objective as long as skaters have a reputation and go clean. This isn't true only for Zagitova of course and it's not her fault but I find it funny that you keep using that argument, as if skating fans of all people can't point out that some judging was bad. I mean, that's like a given!
 
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annie_mg said:
And judges are Gods who know all about choreography?:D It's a well-known fact that PCS are not subjective as long as skaters have a reputation and go clean. This isn't true only for Zagitova of course and it's not her fault but I find it funny that you keep using that argument, as if skating fans of all people can't point out that some judging was bad. I mean, that's like a given!
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Judges are trained to judge choreo and interpretation. Many fans are not.

People when their favorites win, never question "judges' scores"... They say that judges know nothing only when skaters they don't like win or medal.. :D
 
Tinami Amori said:
Judges are trained to judge choreo and interpretation. Many fans are not.

People when their favorites win, never question "judges' scores"... They say that judges know nothing only when skaters they don't like win or medal.. :D
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That might be the first time I agree with you! I probably wouldn't come to fsu and say a favourite skater was overscored even if it's true.

I stand by my point that judges dont judge choreo or PCS properly though. And I actually think Zagitova could pull out great choreo, if she was given the chance.
 
I think Zagitova is very talented and could do great things. If the choreo would just let her slow down and explore her artistry. She has a lot of fire in her belly, and some vulnerability too. But I am not holding my breath. She'll get pushed by Russian juniors, just like Med did - and will need to pack more and more technical content to compete.
 
annie_mg said:
That might be the first time I agree with you! I probably wouldn't come to fsu and say a favourite skater was overscored even if it's true.
I stand by my point that judges dont judge choreo or PCS properly though.
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But then it would apply to ALL skaters at all the events.... including "FSU posters' favorites" like Kostner, Kwan, Osmond, and others "insert the name of one who is not with Eteri" or a "sorry loser, who can't break into top 10".. :D

annie_mg said:
And I actually think Zagitova could pull out great choreo, if she was given the chance.
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Perhaps given a chance "by the rules of today" aka "longer time for a programme, given the same required elements". To win, the choreo must be filled with elements and the time of a programme is limited. This is a sport, athletics matter, difficulty is judged.

When given time, her "Carmen" in a show is quite "expressive".... and this time not the judges, but the audience are loving it.. (the tapes are in the japanese event topic).
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx9x2E1o1OR/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx19BiroXnQ/
 
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