ISU statement on Mariah Bell and Eun soo Lim

[CaliSteve]

I disagree that all parties did the best they could. It seems to me that ATS knew what they were doing, which was lying and making false (or at the very least hugely exaggerated) accusations to create drama for whatever reason.

The "for whatever reason" was to create publicity for Ensoo in Korea.

 

[Badams]

The "for whatever reason" was to create publicity for Ensoo in Korea.

Absolutely. At the cost of Mariah's good name internationally. I kind of think the victim of their shenanigans would have been whichever skater was slated to skate after Lim. Poor Mariah was just the unfortunate person who drew that slot.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Absolutely. At the cost of Mariah's good name internationally. I kind of think the victim of their shenanigans would have been whichever skater was slated to skate after Lim. Poor Mariah was just the unfortunate person who drew that slot.

that's far fetched. i don't think Eun-soo was intending to set up an accident.

 

[Badams]

that's far fetched. i don't think Eun-soo was intending to set up an accident.

Nowhere did I say she did. But I absolutely believe ATS would have created an incident regardless of who skated next.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Nowhere did I say she did. But I absolutely believe ATS would have created an incident regardless of who skated next.

Oh, that i am not doubting...

 

[thvu]

At the end, I strongly believe, that all the parties did the best they could; the best hey could in their understanding and capabilities...

We have a new winner for most delusional post on FSU!

 

[Tinami Amori]

Imho, it was Raf's responsibility and obligation to see what has happened during a practice. Did not he see Mariah's leg touching/kicking Eunsoo???? Why he did not do anything??? Why he did not talk with the girls??

Depending on where he stood during practice, it's hard to know if he could do anything about it, or even saw it. But i think it is reasonable to ask what did Rafik do in terms of discussing the incident after Eunsoo received her treatment by medics.

Eunsoo comes from a completely different culture, and she is only 16 year old, and in foreign country.

what is so special about living/working/studying in a "different culture" at 16 that requires something special from your coach, and how is it relevant when the event takes place in Japan, and everyone has to pretty much speak english or russian to function?

It would be interesting to know what conversations took place between coach and two skaters involved in this incident. Maybe a learning curve for Rafael who never had such experience.

 

[Deleted member 53443]

I'm still in the perpetual state of being pissed that there's no further demand for ATS to supply proof in support of their accusations. Why isn't the USFS doing anything? Why isn't Mariah/Mariah's representative doing anything? If truly nothing happened as ATS claimed, why is no one even trying to hold them accountable for making the very serious allegations they did? Sure this might not have led to any legal consequences, but what about Mariah's reputation and the cyber bullying that she had to endure because of ATS? What kind of precedent is this setting?!

Because requiring proof for alleged things nowadays brands you as a victim-shamer (the precedent is already set there). You can see it in many cases, it's just that this time, the McCartyism of allegations with no proof was towards a sweet young girl. USFS should be all over it but people just lack the spine.

 

[UGG]

Because requiring proof for alleged things nowadays brands you as a victim-shamer (the precedent is already set there). You can see it in many cases, it's just that this time, the McCartyism of allegations with no proof was towards a sweet young girl. USFS should be all over it but people just lack the spine.

Clearly from watching the video, it was an accident so I don't believe anyone would think asking for proof of bullying is victim shaming, especially since no statements ever had any direct statements from Eunsoo. It is very obvious what happened here.

 

[VGThuy]

Clearly from watching the video, it was an accident so I don't believe anyone would think asking for proof of bullying is victim shaming, especially since no statements ever had any direct statements from Eunsoo. It is very obvious what happened here.

Go on Twitter. A lot of people were accusing others of "victim-shaming".

 

[Finsta]

Depending on where he stood during practice, it's hard to know if he could do anything about it, or even saw it. But i think it is reasonable to ask what did Rafik do in terms of discussing the incident after Eunsoo received her treatment by medics.

what is so special about living/working/studying in a "different culture" at 16 that requires something special from your coach, and how is it relevant when the event takes place in Japan, and everyone has to pretty much speak english or russian to function?

It would be interesting to know what conversations took place between coach and two skaters involved in this incident. Maybe a learning curve for Rafael who never had such experience.

Did she really see medics? She was barely touched from what video shows. I feel for her competitors and I used to really like her. Now I’m unsure. Why would she allow this to keep going?

 

[UGG]

Go on Twitter. A lot of people were accusing others of "victim-shaming".

Oh I know I saw the comments but what I am saying is I don;t think the USFS would be accused of victim shaming if they asked for proof of bullying due to the fact that Mariah was accused of slashing and kicking someone when clearly that did not happen.

 

[VGThuy]

Oh I know I saw the comments but what I am saying is I don;t think the USFS would be accused of victim shaming if they asked for proof of bullying due to the fact that Mariah was accused of slashing and kicking someone when clearly that did not happen.

I don't know. I had people, who refuse to acknowledge the original story was wrong, tweeting at me for days for a tweet of mine and even after the video came out. Instead, they provided an edited and very shortened gif with no sound to try to portray Mariah as someone who just sneaked up behind Eunsoo who did nothing wrong. They really want Mariah to be blamed for something and think she did something, anything purposefully.

 

[starrynight]

Clearly from watching the video, it was an accident so I don't believe anyone would think asking for proof of bullying is victim shaming, especially since no statements ever had any direct statements from Eunsoo. It is very obvious what happened here.

Spend more time on social media. For example, Raf has now unequivocally been branded a 'terrible person' and is now cancelled.

Oh I know I saw the comments but what I am saying is I don;t think the USFS would be accused of victim shaming if they asked for proof of bullying due to the fact that Mariah was accused of slashing and kicking someone when clearly that did not happen.

Yes, they absolutely would.

 

[UGG]

This is all just so gross.

 

[starrynight]

This is all just so gross.

It probably pays to stay away from social media. But it is a place that you find yourself because of the skaters posting updates on there and there being online fan communities.

But there are some dreadful examples of what some groups of *fans* say to/about skaters on social media. I will just never understand why people feel the need to send messages @ skaters saying mean and critical things. Often it's all based on the silliest of motivations.

I always wonder how it must affect the relationship between skaters when groups of people purporting to be *fans* of one particular skater/team go after another skater on social media.

 

[UGG]

It probably pays to stay away from social media. But it is a place that you find yourself because of the skaters posting updates on there and there being online fan communities.

But there are some dreadful examples of what some groups of *fans* say to/about skaters on social media. I will just never understand why people feel the need to send messages @ skaters saying mean and critical things.

I always wonder how it must affect the relationship between skaters when groups of people purporting to be *fans* of one particular skater/team go after another skater on social media.

I am on social media, twitter etc... but this is the only online skating community I participate in (and have since 2005) other than following skaters on Instagram (I did not follow Mariah). I don't follow any skating communities on twitter or facebook.

I have to imagine ATS knew this would happen? They cannot be THAT dumb?

 

[Spun Silver]

Did she really see medics? She was barely touched from what video shows. I feel for her competitors and I used to really like her. Now I’m unsure. Why would she allow this to keep going?

Yes, there was a pic of her being tended to by medics, but I don't know what they did. I saw what looked like a little blood spattering on the boards so it apparently was a bit more than a scratch.

 

[barbarafan]

Yes, there was a pic of her being tended to by medics, but I don't know what they did. I saw what looked like a little blood spattering on the boards so it apparently was a bit more than a scratch.

By the first comments I saw the problem was not so much the cut but the bruised muscles which were very sore but at no time did Eun soo want to withdraw. It was quite sore for the short so a day later for the free skate it was probably sore and stiff. The first vid I saw was so blurry I could not tell what was happening at all. A day or 2 later I saw the NBC vid which was quite clear. After the incident it looked like she was sitting on the floor at the rink on the other side of the boards with several people around her doing something with the leg. Raf was not one of them.

 

[Inessence]

This is all just so gross.

I can't believe how much bandwidth has been wasted on this non-event. Though I think Eun soo or her coach have spoken publicly to try and quash the speculation and hysteria.

 

[UGG]

Yes, there was a pic of her being tended to by medics, but I don't know what they did. I saw what looked like a little blood spattering on the boards so it apparently was a bit more than a scratch.

Can u post the blood splattered boards picture?

 

[Vagabond]

I can't believe how much bandwidth has been wasted on this non-event. Though I think Eun soo or her coach have spoken publicly to try and quash the speculation and hysteria.

Eun Soo Lim's coach has spoken publicly. Oddly enough, he had exactly the same things to say as Mariah Bell's coach. It was an astonishing show of unity.

 

[Spun Silver]

Can u post the blood splattered picture?

I think it was these pix and I was completely wrong. There is a splattery pink graphic behind Eun Soo that, reading in haste, I took for blood. Good thing you asked so I could correct the record!
https://www.allkpop.com/article/201...ry-revealed-mariah-bell-officially-apologizes

 

[skatingguy]

Go on Twitter. A lot of people were accusing others of "victim-shaming".

I got that on twitter because I said Eunsoo was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that particular user compared Eunsoo to someone who had been in a car accident, and whether I would use the same statement for someone in those circumstances as well.

 

[skatingguy]

Honestly... I am still so confused about ATS. Accusing Mariah of intentionally attacking Eunsoo was one thing, at least there was an accident.
But bullying? Why would they do that? What happened? Did Eunsoo have to change her locker room? Did any misunderstanding happen? Maybe the locker room was changed but due to a different reason but the ATS side misunderstood that? It’s just so bizarre to put anyone on such a heavy accusation.

You have to keep in mind that ATS uses these little incidents to create buzz for their athletes. They have done it numerous times dating back more than a decade. If you've ever read an article about a Korean skater being slighted by a foreign athlete it probably started with ATS. They've done it in both figure skating and short track speed skating. Kim Boutin won a medal at the Olympics last year, and required a police escort because of the social media hate that ATS stirred up.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I got that on twitter because I said Eunsoo was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that particular user compared Eunsoo to someone who had been in a car accident, and whether I would use the same statement for someone in those circumstances as well.

If she had been in a car accident, why wouldn't you have described it the same way if she hadn't had the right of way, as unfortunate as the accident might be?

 

[skatingguy]

If she had been in a car accident, why wouldn't you have described it the same way if she hadn't had the right of way, as unfortunate as the accident might be?

I probably would, but this person thought it was insulting.

https://twitter.com/kdramastarr/status/1108871997017280512

 

[Firedancer]

They discussed Mariah again on Good Morning America today. Really the story just highlighted pieces of Mariah’s Instagram post, including the piece about the comments she has received. They provided background explaining the original complaint, showed the video, the ISU statement and felt the need to focus in and show Lim’s bandaid. They also showed part of an interview with Adam saying he doesn’t believe Mariah knew she hit her. If she did, she would have stopped. There wasn’t really anything new, including no statement from USFS or anyone else. They also reported the SP results and completely ignored the FS.

 

[LarrySK8]

The photos of SWSNBN on internet banners about the story were so 1994 and Kerrigan-esque. I thought the screen captures from the video they used were disgusting ones to use for a head-line click-bait.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I probably would, but this person thought it was insulting.

Well, it's from "kdramastarr..."