2018/19 Russian National Competitions

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That's how it is in practically every top skating federation. Is there any other way?....:shuffle:
Probably not, but it is like a closed circle without a way in. One can’t get the results without decent funding, but one can’t get the funding without earning it at the nationals. But one can’t compete at the nationals because one doesn’t have a GP event and getting in through Russian cup is close to a miracle/lucky accident. The system is very much supporting established skaters, including weaker skaters such as Leonova in the past few years, and yet it makes it hard for new skaters to get through (unless you are Konstantinova and Tarasova just fell in love with you; then anything is possible).
If most of places at seniors nationals are already taken by those who have a GP event and by juniors who managed to get to JGPF, that means that the rest of skaters - over 60 seniors ladies are fighting for roughly 5 spots. That’s not much. One wonders why bother having five Russian events if getting the spot at the nationals through the events not very likely. One needs to hope that they will qualify for a GP event otherwise they may not be able to compete at the nationals (e.g. Sakhanovich last year) even though when they do compete, they finish quite alright. Serafima was ninth last year, with nine more skaters finishing below her which should prove that she did belong there, and yet she would not have qualified if she didn’t get last minute the GP spot! Another issue to consider, at the Russian cup events one can compete against those who already qualified through having GP events, which pushes the results of the skaters who need to qualify down. For example, last year at fourth Russian cup the skaters had to compete against Kostornaya, Samodurova and Panenkova, who all qualified through getting into JGPF, whereas in another Russian cup there were no skaters who already qualified. So it is quite a lot about being lucky about who is at your event. Because they count placement rather than score, one can be unlucky and have two or three very strong skaters and goodbye nationals. There are ways how they could improve it, for example open 24 spots instead of 18 qnd therefore giving more skaters chance to qualify through the Russian cups. Also, the skaters who already qualified, I would let them compete if they want to, but I wouldn’t count their placements into the qualifying ranking because it makes the events very unequal.
 
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Probably not, but it is like a closed circle without a way in. One can’t get the results without decent funding, but one can’t get the funding without earning it at the nationals. But one can’t compete at the nationals because one doesn’t have a GP event and getting in through Russian cup is close to a miracle/lucky accident. The system is very much supporting established skaters, including weaker skaters such as Leonova in the past few years, and yet it makes it hard for new skaters to get through (unless you are Konstantinova and Tarasova just fell in love with you; then anything is possible).
If most of places at seniors nationals are already taken by those who have a GP event and by juniors who managed to get to JGPF, that means that the rest of skaters - over 60 seniors ladies are fighting for roughly 5 spots. That’s not much. One wonders why bother having five Russian events if getting the spot at the nationals through the events not very likely. One needs to hope that they will qualify for a GP event otherwise they may not be able to compete at the nationals (e.g. Sakhanovich last year) even though when they do compete, they finish quite alright. Serafima was ninth last year, with nine more skaters finishing below her which should prove that she did belong there, and yet she would not have qualified if she didn’t get last minute the GP spot! Another issue to consider, at the Russian cup events one can compete against those who already qualified through having GP events, which pushes the results of the skaters who need to qualify down. For example, last year at fourth Russian cup the skaters had to compete against Kostornaya, Samodurova and Panenkova, who all qualified through getting into JGPF, whereas in another Russian cup there were no skaters who already qualified. So it is quite a lot about being lucky about who is at your event. Because they count placement rather than score, one can be unlucky and have two or three very strong skaters and goodbye nationals. There are ways how they could improve it, for example open 24 spots instead of 18 qnd therefore giving more skaters chance to qualify through the Russian cups. Also, the skaters who already qualified, I would let them compete if they want to, but I wouldn’t count their placements into the qualifying ranking because it makes the events very unequal.
I look at it this way. If you're in top 5 in the country, based on results, then you will FOR SURE make the Nationals and probably the world team.

If you're not top 5, then yes.... all sorts of external factors, luck, circumstances, patronage of TAT or others, may affect your participation.

Solution? knock yourself out to get into top 5 by skating excellence, run extra in the park, ask to open a rink at 5 am, show your coach your determination, wake up at 3 am and practice ballet and dance moves, go out an extra mile, do whatever you can..... because if you're not in top 5 domestically, you're pretty useless internationally..... Life is tough, and then you die.....:rofl:
 
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I look at it this way. If you're in top 5 in the country, based on results, then you will FOR SURE make the Nationals and probably the world team.

If you're not top 5, then yes.... all sorts of external factors, luck, circumstances, patronage of TAT or others, may affect your participation.

Solution? knock yourself out to get into top 5 by skating excellence, run extra in the park, ask to open a rink at 5 am, show your coach your determination, wake up at 3 am and practice ballet and dance moves, go out an extra mile, do whatever you can..... because if you're not in top 5 domestically, you're pretty useless internationally..... Life is tough, and then you die.....:rofl:
That’s all very nice, but proving that you got to top five means that you need to compete at the nationals. And you may not qualify there if you currently don’t have a GP... so again, the closed circle not letting you in.
 

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That’s all very nice, but proving that you got to top five means that you need to compete at the nationals. And you may not qualify there if you currently don’t have a GP... so again, the closed circle not letting you in.

What top 5 skater can't qualify via the Russian Cup series? If there was no series, I would agree with your point. Can you point to a top 10 skater that was left out of Nationals last year?
 

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What top 5 skater can't qualify via the Russian Cup series? If there was no series, I would agree with your point. Can you point to a top 10 skater that was left out of Nationals last year?
Well, I can’t because if someone didn’t qualify, we don’t know that the skater would have been top five if they competed. The same way as we wouldn’t know that Serafima placed 9 and yet she nearly didn’t qualify. She qualified only because last minute she got a GP event; she wouldn’t have qualified through Russian cups. Actually, I do have an example. A few years back Nicol Gosviani nearly didn’t qualify, she was second or even third substitute if I remember correctly. She was extremely lucky that a few skaters withdrew and she could compete. And she placed third at the nationals.
 

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Gosviani 3rd at nationals? :rofl:
How I wished that would have been true.
No one said she was third at the nationals. I wrote third substitute. There is 18 skaters who can compete at the nationals. She wasn’t among them, she was 21 st the the queue for the nationals, which means that she wouldn’t compete at the nationals. But several skaters above her withdrew and therefore she was able to compete at the nationals.

The discussion was about not having enough skaters qualifying through the Russian cups events and therefore skaters who could place in top six at the nationals may not even qualify. Nicole placed 6th but as the third senior eligible skater she was sent to Europeans. While I am not claiming that she was as tallented as the current crop of Russian ladies, the point still stands - you have a skater who nearly didn’t qualify and then place sixth. That should say something about how the system of qualifying for nationals is like a close circle - it is hard to get into the nationals unless you are having a GP event or get into JGPF. So any newly eligible senior who would be later bloomer have no chance. And competing at the nationals affects the funding and that makes it even harder for someone new to get in. I think it is wrong that the skaters from all five events are fighting for the remaining 4 spots. That can potentially keep strong skaters out.
 

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That’s all very nice, but proving that you got to top five means that you need to compete at the nationals. And you may not qualify there if you currently don’t have a GP... so again, the closed circle not letting you in.
Then knock yourself out to get a GP event by doing well in previous events. Closed circle has not choice but to open up if your value and results exceed their personal dislike or their ability to stop you on merit.
 

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Segment II of Russian Cup starting Oct. 02, 2018.
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1819/2etap1819_training_schedule_upd.pdf

livestreams and links

02 окт
Dance RD
https://youtu.be/nEz1cCV2cjo

03 окт
Dance FS
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2beuEF_Wa4M

Men - Jr. and Sr. - SP
https://youtu.be/lR2u2UrRtCc

04 окт
Men - Jr. and Sr. - FS
https://youtu.be/tSlzsrVQbmc

Pairs - SP
https://youtu.be/W_ySTKncORU

05 окт
Pairs - FS
https://youtu.be/iTnPB8vA3Ss

Ladies - Jr. and Sr. - SP
https://youtu.be/x41OKK57i4M

06 окт
Ladies - Jr. and Sr. - FS
https://youtu.be/SqoY4AkhPps
 

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So we have Morozov/Bagin, Voronov, Petrov, Samarin, Savosin, Shulepov, Leonova, Nugumanova, Panenkova, Radio, Tsurskaya and Sherbakova.

I fear for Shulepov and Perkova making it to nationals with this roster :drama::drama::drama:
 

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If anyone missed it and wants to see, here is the "saved link" with the recorded stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEz1cCV2cjo&feature=youtu.be

I fear for Shulepov and Perkova making it to nationals with this roster :drama::drama::drama:

Leonova had an "iffy" run last week @ St. Pete Cup, Segment II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR72uNSJGF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO0YCKMEiJ8

Sakhanovich was there also:
SP - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi6reqbLj4g
FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsfAyollgW4
 

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For what its worth, ISU sb standings for men thus far-

1 Kolyada 274
2 Aliev 250
3 Lazukin 243
4 Voronov 239
5 Dmitriev 225
6 Gumennik 220
7 Mozalev 217
8 Samarin 215
9 Savosin 211
10 Iakovlev 205
11 Murashov 190
12 Kovalev 190
13 Rukhin 187
14 Vetlugin 184
15 Lezheev 170

No score yet- Petrov, Samoilov, Erokhov, Kovtun, Danielian, Shulepov, Ignatov, Milyukov

Scores from event 1-
Petrov 236
Shulepov 234
Lezheev 225
Sviridenko 208
Sokolov 201
 
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Bagin down again on the twizzles :wall:
Seriously, S/S are so robbed of the host spot.
Is papa Morozov really unable to find for his daughter a decent partner? I know it can’t be easy, but surely there is someone better available? What is Shibnev doing? (Not that Shibnev would be great, but it is still an upgrade.)
 
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Shulepov (so good looking all in black, Perkova has taste :smokin:)
4t< fall, 3a, 3lz3t< fall :violin:

Savosin
4t stepout, 3a, 3lz3t

Petrov
4t stepout, 3a, 3lz3t 3turn

Samarin (please switch back to last season's SP :drama: )
4lz<, 3a, 3lz3t :respec:

Voronov
4t2t, 3lz, 1A
 
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Shibnev worked his way up from Stavitskaya over Davankova to Ilinykh.
What a stepdown Morozov would be :drama::rofl:
For him it would be a step down, but for Morozova it would be a step up. So all papa Morozov needs to do is to persuade him that he wants to skate with his daughter. Besides, he is going to have to do a step down. Ilynikh is not skating with him any more and it is not as if there was anyone else equal to Ilynikh or better available. So whoever he choses will be a downgrade for him.
 

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