UPDATED: OMFG . . . Adam Rippon, Tonya Harding and Mirai Nagasu are on the DWTS' all-athlete cast

Aerobicidal said:
I'm hoping Tonya wins DWTS and then winds up on The Amazing Race, Survivor, Project Runway, Drag Race, ANTM, Masterchef Australia, Top Chef Latino, and every other possible TV show because the level of WTFery here is unbelievable and I am LIVING for it!
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Omg please let Tonya do project runway and ru Paul drag race! The judges on those shows quickly and quietly ripping her to shreds for being the lazy whiner she is would be exactly what she has coming to her. But let’s see how she does on DWTS first. She’s not exactly grace on her feet as it is.
 
I find all this fuss about Tonya hilarious when it's pretty likely she will be out the first week given the shortened season, her general lack of gracefulness, and that she doesn't have the greatest history of wanting to take direction from someone else. People here are have probably spent more time getting up in arms about her being on the show than she will actually spend on the show.
 
LarrySK8 said:
Her troubles stem directly from being, among other things, a STUPID person. She also has poor impulse control, the inability to delay self-gratification, demonstrates procrastination and inconsistency in executing a plan and general immaturity.
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Stupid is rather harsh. She strikes me as of average intelligence - like the majority of the population.

What evidence do you have that she continues to exhibit the above behaviors in her life today.

After the ban she did not appear to pursue anything except money-making schemes. There was never any word of her getting an education and maybe becoming, let's say, a bookkeeper or accountant or paralegal or vet assistant or anything. It is because she is stupid.
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Actually, she became a landscaper for quite some time (I saw her doing this work in a video). She said that she loved it because it was very physical work.

So, she was smart enough to learn how to make a living for herself and her son.

cmk said:
Tonya did get her GED ( around 89/90). The high school Tonya went to didn't want to accommodate her skating schedule. Tonya also knew how to hunt, fish, and fix cars. Since she was female, the vocational choices she would of been best at (auto mechanics, machine shop, construction trades) she most likely would of been steered away from. She was more street-smart than book-smart.
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Fixing cars and machine shop work do require intelligence.

But in the 80s, I'm sure there were few to no women working in garages and machine shops. Women are still underrpresented in the trades 30 plus years later.

After the ban she did not appear to pursue anything except money-making schemes. There was never any word of her getting an education and maybe becoming, let's say, a bookkeeper or accountant or paralegal or vet assistant or anything. It is because she is stupid. Simple.
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So what if she pursued money-making schemes? Why wouldn't she, given that figure skating, the only thing she knew, had been taken away from her?

And then she found landscaping - it's not as if she did nothing and just went on to live on the government's dime.

I would say that she did the best she could, given the circumstances.
 
berthesghost said:
Omg please let Tonya do project runway and ru Paul drag race! The judges on those shows quickly and quietly ripping her to shreds for being the lazy whiner she is would be exactly what she has coming to her. But let’s see how she does on DWTS first. She’s not exactly grace on her feet as it is.
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Maybe someone should start a rumor that Tonya is planning to transition to a man just so she can be taken seriously as a drag queen.

It wouldn't be one of the least logical posts on FSU concerning Tonya, that's for sure.

Erin said:
I find all this fuss about Tonya hilarious when it's pretty likely she will be out the first week given the shortened season, her general lack of gracefulness, and that she doesn't have the greatest history of wanting to take direction from someone else. People here are have probably spent more time getting up in arms about her being on the show than she will actually spend on the show.
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How dare you trivialize this historically unacceptable reality TV show casting decision. This is the biggest atrocity since Lance Bass didn't win Come Dine with Me!!!!!!!
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Yes, we all know that story. Tonya is the only person to have a bad life and nobody on this forum has had similar experiences or have been working with those who have had similar experiences to make any sort of comment on how Tonya’s life turned out except to express sympathy and shame those who dare criticize her. No comparison will ever make sense because Tonya’s whole life is so unique compared to everybody else’s in this country who has it so good.
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I agree with Jlai's post above: This sounds better. As if you had an equally rough life but got no sympathy for it.
 
If you have a problem, report the post. I know you won't change your mind, nor will I change mine. But respect other people's perspectives are important. At certain points I thought you wanted to poke at the ones who don't agree with you.

VIETgrlTerifa said:
And I think your post and jlai's are pretty on par with what I would have expected.
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jlai said:
If you have a problem, report the post. I know you won't change your mind, nor will I change mine. But respect other people's perspectives are important.
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I don't really have a problem with your posts, but respect what though? I feel I've given the amount of respect the posts I've responded to deserves given the content.
 
How do I know? This is no longer about dancing with the stars; that's all i know
 
jlai said:
If you have a problem, report the post. I know you won't change your mind, nor will I change mine. But respect other people's perspectives are important. At certain points I thought you wanted to poke at the ones who don't agree with you.
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and then there’s this
UGG said:
I am pretty sure all I said was comparing Tonya and Mirai was dumb because there is nothing similar about their careers or life but if you want to also includr people who have faced hardships like Tonya did as a child and use their stories to make Mirai a hero than..ok I guess? 🤷‍♀️
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the reasons why Tonya and mirai were compared was explained in clear, simple to understand English. Agree or disagree, but calling a perfectly normal comparison “strange” and then “dumb” is just bullying.

Mirai is part of a very small elite group of women who landed 3x at the Olys and Tonya is not, but they are both skaters the usfs gave nat titles and multiple trips to worlds and Olys to so all the whining by their fans that they were treated badly doesn’t hold up very well. But I guess one big difference to me is that I don’t hear mirai herself complain much about usfs while Tonya drones on and on about it even decades later, so the point seems like it has some merit imho. In the context of how they were treated by their federation, one did handle it much better.
 
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berthesghost said:
and then there’s this
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REport the post then.

Back to the topic, it would be interesting to see what the show is like in first week. WIll it affect ratings, or will there be people voting Tanya off? Which is entirely possible and dpeople should totally vote for those whom they like.
 
berthesghost said:
But I guess one big difference to me is that I don’t hear mirai herself complain much about usfs while Tonya drones on and on about it even decades later, so the point seems like it has some merit imho. In the context of how they were treated by their federation, one did handle it much better.
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One did not receive a lifetime ban from the federation, the other did. So of course the first handled it better than the second. Most people who did what Tonya was alleged to do probably would have done jail time (which Tonya begged for as an alternative in the movie) and then been able to get back to their lives. Tonya pretty much had her life taken from her.

And Mirai is not above complaining. There was an article posted during the Olympics in which she complained about having to wake up early and not being able to get hot water in the showers. It came across as if she were trying to justify her performance - quite whiny, totally lacking in class.
 
vgerdes said:
Tonya actually made fun of her lack of gracefulness when Tom B interviewed her briefly during this morning's reveal. She said she has a lot of "bad habits" to unlearn. At least she's not being unbearably arrogant.
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That is just a setup for when she knocks someone down the big stairs.
 
Japanfan said:
One did not receive a lifetime ban from the federation, the other did. So of course the first handled it better than the second. Most people who did what Tonya was alleged to do probably would have done jail time (which Tonya begged for as an alternative in the movie) and then been able to get back to their lives. Tonya pretty much had her life taken from her.
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:lol: of course she didn’t get banned! She never had Ashley Wagner attacked!

But Tonya was complaining openly long before the ban and has many a bitter story to tell that has nothing to do with the whack.

And Mirai is not above complaining. There was an article posted during the Olympics in which she complained about having to wake up early and not being able to get hot water in the showers. It came across as if she were trying to justify her performance - quite whiny, totally lacking in class.
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yes, mirai and Karen had many lame excuses on why they failed to perform as has several other skaters over the years, but none of that had anything to do with usfs. Unless she said usfs gave her cold showers while they favored the other skaters, which would be a great article to read if you have a link :p
 
Jayar said:
Tonya's story was more than 20 years ago. It's time to let her move on. Michael Vick got his chance after doing something much worse. Let's let her have her moment-- after all, she is a huge part of the reason why skating was so popular back in its American heyday.
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Go right ahead...Doping to win and violence to win should have lifetime ban. I will never watch I,Tonya or watch DWTS this season.
 
berthesghost said:
and then there’s this
the reasons why Tonya and mirai were compared was explained in clear, simple to understand English. Agree or disagree, but calling a perfectly normal comparison “strange” and then “dumb” is just bullying.

Mirai is part of a very small elite group of women who landed 3x at the Olys and Tonya is not, but they are both skaters the usfs gave nat titles and multiple trips to worlds and Olys to so all the whining by their fans that they were treated badly doesn’t hold up very well. But I guess one big difference to me is that I don’t hear mirai herself complain much about usfs while Tonya drones on and on about it even decades later, so the point seems like it has some merit imho. In the context of how they were treated by their federation, one did handle it much better.
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It’s “bullying” to say comparing Mirsi and Tonya is “dumb” and “strange”?

You should seriously get out more and meet actual victims of bullying.
 
Japanfan said:
Most people who did what Tonya was alleged to do probably would have done jail time (which Tonya begged for as an alternative in the movie) and then been able to get back to their lives. Tonya pretty much had her life taken from her.
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Just to be clear, that was not real life and never happened, which goes into my point in the other thread about people taking what the movie portrays as fact. Also, jail time and the losing ability to work is NOT uncommon among professional fields. In my field, if somebody embezzled money or mismanaged trust accounts, they could go to jail AND be disbarred from practicing law for life. Even if Tonya ended up taking it to trial and went to jail, she would have still been banned for life.
 
UGG said:
It’s “bullying” to say comparing Mirsi and Tonya is “dumb” and “strange”?

You should seriously get out more and meet actual victims of bullying.
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Insulting the intelligence of someone with an opposing opinion is generally considered bullying by most standards. Pointing to people who do worse things than you is a lame attempt at deflection. Why not try taking responsibility for your actions instead of taking pot shots at people who disagree with you?
 
berthesghost said:
Insulting the intelligence of someone with an opposing opinion is generally considered bullying by most standards. Pointing to people who do worse things than you is a lame attempt at deflection. Why not try taking responsibility for your actions instead of taking pot shots at people who disagree with you?
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You post on FSU and this is you opinion? 🙄 pretty sure I have seen worse, including from you. I think comparing Mirai and Tonya is dumb. I’m not sure where you are seeing deflection.
 
Back to DWTS, what is its normal rating? I don't feel like Rippon and Mirai are huge draws, what are the other non-skating celebrities here?
 
UGG said:
You post on FSU and this is you opinion? 🙄 pretty sure I have seen worse, including from you. I think comparing Mirai and Tonya is dumb. I’m not sure where you are seeing deflection.
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Comparisons are often made between two things that are not exactly alike, but tend to have one big thing in which they can be compared. These comparisons are useful to identifying the differences that lead to the different result (compare/contrast) so that solutions may be formed. My comparison allowed you to identify the very important role that child rearing plays and that is probably what most of us here would agree with was the major difference. The child rearing would have lead Tonya to another abusive situation in which is common. Whether or not one thinks that in of itself excuses or justifies beyond merely explaining her behavior will vary depending on the individual, which is where my high-tempered response came from.
 
berthesghost said:
Insulting the intelligence of someone with an opposing opinion is generally considered bullying by most standards. Pointing to people who do worse things than you is a lame attempt at deflection. Why not try taking responsibility for your actions instead of taking pot shots at people who disagree with you?
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I agree with the second sentence of your post but not the first. I've never heard a definition of bullying that didn't include actions that are unwanted and repeated. Personally, I wouldn't consider it unwanted for someone to tell me my opinion was stupid, although if they didn't explain why then I wouldn't give their opinion any credence.

I've been called full of shit and mentally ill by posters on FSU. While unkind, I wouldn't ever consider that bullying but rather just unwarranted rudeness and offensiveness.

As to whether others would be more bothered than I was, sure some would but some wouldn't. However, throwing out the word "bullying" in instances in which it's pretty clearly not bullying trivializes actual bullying. I work in a high school and, in the state in which I live, there have been numerous high-profile examples of suicide and other extremely negative consequences of teenage bullying. Calling someone's opinion dumb on a contentious online forum is not the same thing.

This might seem like a minor point, but as a person who cares about fighting against bullying--and other negative stuff like heteronormativity and the continuing popularity of Guy Fieri--I personally woudn't throw out accusations so hastily.

As long as I'm on this soapy tangent, I will add that the continuing trend of men discussing whether women (or "females," a term that sets off a bunch of alarms for me) are stupid and/or fat is really unsettling.

Still rooting for Tonya. And Adam. And for Mirai to prove all my snark about her expressionlessness wrong.
 
^thank you for your thoughtful and reasoned post.

The repetition point is a good one. Calling someone dumb once is just rude and uncalled for. Doing it repeatedly is bullying.

I do tend to forget how certain words are really trigger points for some people.

But I never really get the whole “it’s wrong to call me a thief for stealing a candy bar when others have stolen cars!” argument. Theft is theft. The punishment will differ based on the severity but it’s still wrong.

I also get the much larger context of sexism and fat shaming but what is one to do in a very specific situation other than stay silent or talk in code? Tonya had a repeated habit of showing up unprepared and too heavy to land her jumps, and then blaming her lack of training on others like they actually left her off a team because her costume was poorly made :lol: But I hear you that “fat” is a common trigger word and that I should be more sensitive, which is different than the lame “people here have said worse” deflection non-apology imho.
 
So it seems like Tonya H. is still the center of attention here while Adam Rippon is likely the center of attention when it comes to ice skating with the U.S. general public elsewhere. Come on FSU, I know that we’re bias AF, but bias and stupidity are two different things, the continuing focus on Tonya is just making all of the U.S. skating fans seem like more of the Submissive gays that wanna be tortured for pleasure, just keeping it real :p
 
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DimaToe said:
So it seems like Tonya H. is still the center of attention here while Adam Rippon is likely the center of attention when it comes to ice skating with the U.S. general public elsewhere. Come on FSU, I know that we’re bias AF, but bias and stupidity are teo different things, the continuing focus on Tonya is just making all of the U.S. skating fans seem like more of the Submissive gays that wanna be tortured for pleasure, just keeping it real :p
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Wait, are you calling subs stupid? I learned in kink law to try not to yuck other people's yums. ;)
 
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