U.S. Ladies [#20]: In a Week, Maybe Two, They'll Make You a Star

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On another note, it would seem to me that the only one in the last group who is really vulnerable to the Body of Work argument is Wang. I know it's unlikely, but I could easily see if Wang makes the podium (top 3) she would be left off the O team. While this is a possibility for all of them (except maybe Chen and Wagner), I think it would be almost a certainty with Wang.
I'm not sure how much "body of work" matters in the Ladies' discipline. It seems unlikely any of the competitors will win an individual medal at the Olympics, and there's probably more reason to have two Men and two Ice Dance couples compete in the Team Event than there is to have two Ladies.
 
I'm not sure how much "body of work" matters in the Ladies' discipline. It seems unlikely any of the competitors will win an individual medal at the Olympics, and there's probably more reason to have two Men and two Ice Dance couples compete in the Team Event than there is to have two Ladies.

I don't think the Russians or Canadians are as strong as they were in 2014 so if the US can somehow take advantage they can possibly slide in higher then 3rd
 
If you go back and look at the question I was responding to. I was responding the statement that folks felt like Ashely is "buying her way to an olympic berth" because of the endorsements.

Gotcha. Sorry, was in a crap mood earlier and not reading for context.
 
Mirai is so inspiring.

Tennell does not have an ounce of charisma but is as solid as it gets in turns of rotating and landing her jumps. So basically the anti-US skater.
ITA and somehow I always want her to win. At least the raw material is there to build something onto whereas I always feel Chen, Nagasu and Wagner kind of still cheat their win with their borderline clean jumps. I guess I am a skating purist....
 
Pardon my ignorance, I have no knowledge of the selection criteria for the American team. Would the US really send a skater with hardly any senior GP experience to the Olympics?
 
Starr, this week or two they made you a star! :encore:

No, Starr made her own star shine, and that's a fact. They managed her scores in the sp. Like I said earlier, it's a matter of holding your head up high no matter what. And that's what Starr did. She went after her dreams, her moment in time, and she showed them what she can do (and she sang her own song to boot)! :kickass: No more nitpicking now. How many of the other ladies went clean with all positive GOEs, eh! Starr knew she had to finish her performance first and then cry tears of joy. :cheer2:

Good grief! I was so much getting into Mariah's performance, and then that loss of concentration on her last jump, the easiest jump! I was hoping Angela would go clean, because nobody was talking about her, and they didn't show her sp on NBC. It would have been cool had Angela held up, but she faltered slightly and they dumped her down behind Starr, which was fair considering that Starr should have been scored closer to Wang in the sp!

Amber looked like she was distracted by being sick or something with the expressions on her face. She's such a lovely skater. And like JW said, she's got it all, except for lacking nerves of steel and self-belief in the big moments. What's there to say about Courtney!? She's got it all too, but can't put it together.

Mirai deserves the points and the celebration because she went for the 3-axel in both programs, and she pretty much held it together after faltering slightly on that jump in both programs. We've seen her land that 3-axel in practices and warm-ups, and I think at least once in competition this season. She really needs to figure out landing it, and skate a clean program, and she might contend at the Olympics. Mirai had some other minor errors that affected her GOE, but she got the points to pull ahead and challenge Bradie to go clean. And Bradie did, with only one rare under-rotation (which I think was caused by being slightly off in the air on a two-jump combo). But the second jump in the combo was landed perfectly, as were all of Bradie's other jumps. She seemed fairly calm and collected by it all, which is good to see. I like Bradie's response to a query from Andrea Joyce about what she thinks she can do. Bradie: "I think the sky's the limit for me."

Karen has a lot of good qualities and she attacked and fought for her program, but she had too many under-rotations. Ashley has to blame herself for coming in 2 points behind Karen (even though Ash felt the judges were stingy toward her on the marks). The problem for Ash is that she needed that triple she singled. If she'd at least doubled it and not had a slight problem with another jump, she would probably have edged Karen. I really like Ashley's fp to La La Land.

Apparently, the thinking is that Ashley will be left home this time. I think between Ashley and Karen it's a wash though, no matter that Karen came in 4th at Worlds last year. This season has not been a good one for Karen until this fairly decent showing at Nationals (and she was strong in her first outing in the pre-season, but it was downhill from there). Ashley backed into a medal on the GP this season and she skated well last year at Nationals. It's just Ashley's poorer showing at 2017 Worlds and the fact USFS seems to prefer going with Karen anyway that will hamper Ashley from making the Olympic team. I do not think they want to select Ashley over someone else this time.
 
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Ever heard of Sasha Cohen?

I just ask because I know some feds have strict guidelines about selection criteria. Not sure if these exists for USFSA. Also asking because after the last cycle, I was curious if anything changed to avoid what happened with selecting 4th over 3rd but I guess not...since these discussions are repeating.
 
That was a gorgeous program from Ashley. I’m crushed that she didn’t medal. :(

Ashley got the pewter medal. I know it's more of a consolation prize and doesn't mean much, except for skaters just happy to be out there for the award ceremony.

Pardon my ignorance, I have no knowledge of the selection criteria for the American team. Would the US really send a skater with hardly any senior GP experience to the Olympics?

Ever heard of Sasha Cohen?

And Polina Edmunds of course. I think Bradie has proven herself, and she's older and more experienced than Polina was in 2014. Plus Bradie was on the senior GP, at Skate America, where she made herself a contender.

So its Chen vs Wagner... I say send Karen to Olympics and Ashley to Worlds.

You are probably right, but I vote the opposite: Send Ashley to the Olympics and send Karen to Worlds. Why would Ashley need to go to Worlds? She only stayed in another 4 years in order to make another Olympics. Worlds is largely an afterthought in an Olympic year, even though it's important too for qualifying spots for the following season.
 
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Ouch. This result makes things messier for the selection committee. Karen won the SP and overall, but Ashley won the FS and would've beat her without the mistake on the second 3-3 (which she was doing nicely in practice). Not to mention Ashley has the marginally better international resume. I think they'll send Karen over Ashley, but we shall see.
 
Apparently, the thinking is that Ashley will be left home this time. I think between Ashley and Karen it's a wash though, no matter that Karen came in 4th at Worlds last year. This season has not been a good one for Karen until this fairly decent showing at Nationals (and she was strong in her first outing in the pre-season, but it was downhill from there). Ashley backed into a medal on the GP this season and she skated well last year at Nationals. It's just Ashley's poorer showing at 2017 Worlds and the fact USFS seems to prefer going with Karen anyway that will hamper Ashley from making the Olympic team. I do not think they want to select Ashley over someone else this time.
Body of work:

2017 Nationals: Chen 1st, Wagner 2nd
2017 Worlds: Chen 4th, Wagner 7th
2018 Nationals: Chen 3rd, Wagner 4th

Sportsmanship:

Chen 1, Wagner 0.

End of story.
 
The "Body of Work" was never a big deal until 2014. Mirai Nagasu was supposed to be "the one" in 2008, but subsequently had an up and down career. In 2010, she made the Olympic team and finished 4th. After that, the roller coaster career continued. USFSA knows that Mirai can pull things together when she really wants to. So even after a mixed results season, USFSA had no confidence in her. 2014 was the first time USFSA emphasized that they can choose NOT to send the National Champion to the Olympics. Should Mirai win Nationals in 2014, USFSA could still choose not to send her. Mirai came in 3rd over Ashley Wagner who had a better season than Mirai. In the past, USFSA would have sent Mirai over Ashley, but because USFSA was afraid of Mirai performing well at Nationals, they were afraid to send her because she could bomb at the Olympics and sent Ashley instead. USFSA's decision was a shot heard around the world.

4 years later, Mirai has done everything she can to make the 2018 US Olympic team. In 2015, Mirai finished 10th at Nationals, and USFSA no longer favored her. Nevertheless, Mirai persevered until this season. She upgraded her content, and performed decently throughout the 2017-18 season. Ashley has had some nice results this quad, but had a not-so-great 2017-18 Grand Prix season. So Ashley's 4th place finish this year at Nationals may not keep her in the running for the Olympic team.

However, politics seems to be stronger than ever at USFSA. Ashley could still make the team, especially if Rafael Artunian has his way. USFSA can sometimes be cruel and they could STILL opt to keep Mirai off the Olympic team.

I hope USFSA will be fair this time.

I just ask because I know some feds have strict guidelines about selection criteria. Not sure if these exists for USFSA. Also asking because after the last cycle, I was curious if anything changed to avoid what happened with selecting 4th over 3rd but I guess not...since these discussions are repeating.
 
The reason there's 3 spots for both Olympics and Worlds is because of Karen. This reminds me of when Michelle Kwan earned 2 spots for 95 Worlds at the previous Worlds, which she needed since she got 2nd at Nationals behind Nicole Bobek. Karen earned her spot at both by placing a very impressive 4th at Worlds last year- she deserves to be named to both teams for Olympics and Worlds.
 
Ouch. This result makes things messier for the selection committee. Karen won the SP and overall, but Ashley won the FS and would've beat her without the mistake on the second 3-3 (which she was doing nicely in practice). Not to mention Ashley has the marginally better international resume. I think they'll send Karen over Ashley, but we shall see.

Well I think the media did everything they could to make sure Ashley was left off the team (as did the judges). After all the fawning by the announcers and that Bufoon who is replacing Bob Costas, there is no way Ashley will make the team, even though the #2 criteria of the Grand Prix puts her ahead of Chen. Such a shame.
 
Body of work:

2017 Nationals: Chen 1st, Wagner 2nd
2017 Worlds: Chen 4th, Wagner 7th
2018 Nationals: Chen 3rd, Wagner 4th

Sportsmanship:

Chen 1, Wagner 0.


End of story.

Do you think Ashley's sudden dumping was because of what happened at Skate America and her supposed attitude (she's always had one anyway) heading into nationals? I mean normally you're suppose to get higher PCS marks at nationals then you internationally not lower :confused:
 
The reason there's 3 spots for both Olympics and Worlds is because of Karen. This reminds me of when Michelle Kwan earned 2 spots for 95 Worlds at the previous Worlds, which she needed since she got 2nd at Nationals behind Nicole Bobek. Karen earned her spot at both by placing a very impressive 4th at Worlds last year- she deserves to be named to both teams for Olympics and Worlds.

Different times different rules. Back then it was only the placement of the top skater that mattered. Like it or not, USA got three spots because of Chen AND Wagner.
 
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