UPDATED: Jason Brown to Brian Orser (official)

All I hope from this change is that Jason has a consistently clean 3A, lands 1 clean quad in the LP at a couple international competitions, and that the velvet pants are gone ASAP. I’m excited to see how Tracy Wilson guides his career going forward, because given all the info that has come out, it seems like she will be the closest thing to his main coach. He’s in good hands so I’m excited to see how this season goes without expecting miracles to happen, but I wouldn’t complain if they did.
 
His current Instagram story shows 2 jumps which I hope I’ve identified correctly: 3S (which he says is his first triple in 6 weeks) and from today, a 2A-1lo-3S.

Here is a retweet of the 3S:

https://twitter.com/jasonbrownfp/status/1004569692344709121?s=21

The 2A-1lo-3S hasn’t been tweeted yet. If you don’t follow him on Instagram, you can go to IG, search @jasonbskates, and click on the little picture of him surrounded by a red circle - that’s the story.

ETA retweet #2

https://twitter.com/jasonbrownfp/status/1004845226794496000?s=21
 
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jlai said:
I never understand why people keep saying certain champions are not competitive.
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What I said was he didn't "thrive on competition" - not that he was not competitive. The two are different.

I don't really remember the circumstances under which he won his worlds titles (other than some here contested one or two of those wins), but IIRC he was ahead of the pack for a few years with his quads and the wins were easy. And then, the pack passed him by.

Patrick did have a few perfect skates in his career, but could usually be counted on to make two mistakes at least, especially in the latter years of his career. I think part of it was the huge pressure he was under from Skate Canada. But part of being competitive is being able to withstand pressure.

When I say he is not competitive, I say it in contrast to athletes who are. Like Michelle Kwan and Elvis Stojko, who thrived on competition. It brought out the best in them and they loved the challenge of rising to the occasion. Or like Alexei Yagudin, who said in 2002 that winning the Olympics was his destiny - and then skated like it was.

Plenty of skaters struggle to cope with the pressure of competition - the ones who don't are probably the exception.

Just because you are not like Plushenko doesn't mean one isn't competitive. Heck, even I can be competitive at work under the right circumstanceds.
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I repeat: I did not say that Patrick was not competitive.
 
Japanfan said:
What I said was he didn't "thrive on competition" - not that he was not competitive. The two are different.

I don't really remember the circumstances under which he won his worlds titles (other than some here contested one or two of those wins), but IIRC he was ahead of the pack for a few years with his quads and the wins were easy. And then, the pack passed him by.

Patrick did have a few perfect skates in his career, but could usually be counted on to make two mistakes at least, especially in the latter years of his career. I think part of it was the huge pressure he was under from Skate Canada. But part of being competitive is being able to withstand pressure.

When I say he is not competitive, I say it in contrast to athletes who are. Like Michelle Kwan and Elvis Stojko, who thrived on competition. It brought out the best in them and they loved the challenge of rising to the occasion. Or like Alexei Yagudin, who said in 2002 that winning the Olympics was his destiny - and then skated like it was.

Plenty of skaters struggle to cope with the pressure of competition - the ones who don't are probably the exception.



I repeat: I did not say that Patrick was not competitive.
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I think we are just quibbling with meaningless differences in words.

There is no way a skater at this level doesn't thrive on competitions. Whether one thrives on the Olympics depends on timing and luck as much as competitiveness. Yagudin did win the Olympics but the circumstances that caused him to win is as much luck as anything. For instance if he had won worlds the year before he could totally have too much pressure going into 2002 and end up with a silver medal at the Olympics. And then people will play this 20/20 hindsight thing and say he couldn't thrive on competitions.
But let us not forget that team Canada has never been good about prepping their skaters for the Olympic year. And then you have a long streak of Canadian men falter at the Olympics and the next talented man has the added pressure to end that streak. Are you saying that Orser, Browning, Chan, stojko all don't thrive on competitions? Or maybe that Team Canada sucked at getting their top men peak at the o games?
 
jlai said:
I think we are just quibbling with meaningless differences in words.

There is no way a skater at this level doesn't thrive on competitions.
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I think some/many don't. But I suppose it's also possible that some skaters like the buzz or challenge they get from competing, but still succumb to the pressure of competition rather than using it as motivation to excel.

It's possible for a figure skater to love her/his sport, but still not deal well with the pressure of competition.

We see skaters deliver flawed performances due to pressure all the time.

Are you saying that Orser, Browning, Chan, stojko all don't thrive on competitions? Or maybe that Team Canada sucked at getting their top men peak at the o games?
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I don't know about Orser as I wasn't watching FS when he was competing. I do think Browning thrived on competition, given that he said his rivalry with Stojko pushed him to be better.
 
Japanfan said:
I don't know about Orser as I wasn't watching FS when he was competing. I do think Browning thrived on competition, given that he said his rivalry with Stojko pushed him to be better.
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Yet Browning succumbed to the Olympic pressure. Twice.
Whether one wins the O doesn't really say much about whether one thrives on competition. Timing is everything since it happens every four years. (e.g. If the Olympics were in 1996, Kwan could be an Olympic champion then.)

THe Russian fed, also, is much much better at prepping their skaters to peak at the O games, so one has to take that factor out of the equation when evaluating individuals from different countries.
 
I think competitive people can also be their own worst enemies which is why Kurt and MK are both not two time ogm. They each f-ed it up by wanting it too much imho.

I also don’t totally buy into the “Kwan in 96” theory. Worlds doesn’t = Olys. Lulu was stunning in her 96 lp. At that point she would be a reigning world champ who won 3 bronzes the 3 prior years. And they would have eclipsed that with a teen who’d been 4th and 8th previously? I’m not so sure.
 
berthesghost said:
I think competitive people can also be their own worst enemies which is why Kurt and MK are both not two time ogm. They each f-ed it up by wanting it too much imho.

I also don’t totally buy into the “Kwan in 96” theory. Worlds doesn’t = Olys. Lulu was stunning in her 96 lp. At that point she would be a reigning world champ who won 3 bronzes the 3 prior years. And they would have eclipsed that with a teen who’d been 4th and 8th previously? I’m not so sure.
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I'm not saying Kwan would have won 1996 Olympics for sure, but that the major contenders would have been a totally different set of skaters and the outcome would have been so different. Kind of like would Medvedeva been the O champion if the Olympics happened in 2016 and not 2018? And Zagitova would not be even in the picture
 
Sweet baby Jesus on a breadstick; first Patrick Chan, now Michelle Kwan and Kurt Browning?

How bout those Eagles OTAs? Brandon Graham looks good despite his injuries, I hope he stays with the Birds. And Carson Wentz is doing seven on sevens already? I'm psyched.:saint: And of course I couldn't be prouder of Chris Long and Malcolm Jenkins

:EVILLE:
 
I'm not sure where there might be a Brian Orser thread, so since this interview covers Brian's coaching abilities, philosophy, his working relationship with Tracy Wilson, and how his international students adapt to Toronto and the Cricket Club, I thought I would post it in 'Jason to Brian Orser' thread. This interview is with Brian, Kat Witt, and female host. It took place in Pyeongchang sometime after the men's singles event was completed. It's a German language production, so it's in German with English subtitles (you may need to click on CC for the subtitles):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xt4YCwF8Ao
 
aftershocks said:
I'm not sure where there might be a Brian Orser thread, so since this interview covers Brian's coaching abilities, philosophy, his working relationship with Tracy Wilson, and how his international students adapt to Toronto and the Cricket Club, I thought I would post it in 'Jason to Brian Orser' thread. This interview is with Brian, Kat Witt, and female host. It took place in Pyeongchang sometime after the men's singles event was completed. It's a German language production, so it's in German with English subtitles (you may need to click on CC for the subtitles):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xt4YCwF8Ao
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Enjoyed what I could understand. The shabby Google subtitles - light grey on dark grey. Thanks for posting.
 
It's cute how Kat is all over Brian O with enthusiasm and admiration for him having been a top skater and then a top coach, which is rare. The fact Brian O missed out narrowly on Olympic gold twice, it's so nice to see karma turn in his favor 100-fold years later with record Olympic gold medal wins for his skaters. It's such serendipity, but mixed with hard work too and savvy decisionmaking. Also, he acknowledges the reputation of The Cricket Club, and Tracy Wilson being his rock, as keys to his success. He never particularly thought about coaching, but it really suits his personality and his love for the sport. I'll never forget the young Kat, Brian B and Brian O in Carmen on Ice! Those were the days when skaters could retire from eligible competition and build an exciting pro career.

Toronto really sounds like a cool place to visit, as does Montreal. :) Jason seems to be doing well so far. But Jason is such an enthusiastic, happy person, he would fit in beautifully anywhere. It's cool that Jason took time to make the right decision for himself, and that Tracy is such a fan of his skating and his character that she was able to convince Brian the upside advantages of helping Jason.
 
Tavi said:
Whatever. You’re welcome to your opinions.
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As are you. But you did not say IMO Brian would not take Jason on if he didn’t think he could get quads.

You left out the IMO as if this were fact.

So I'll ask again: you know this how?
 
Japanfan said:
As are you. But you did not say IMO Brian would not take Jason on if he didn’t think he could get quads.

You left out the IMO as if this were fact.

So I'll ask again: you know this how?
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Do you really want to argue about this? I don’t know Brian at all, but Doug Haw, who’s a close friend of Brian’s, said on a TSL recap that Brian wont take a skater if he thinks he’s maxed out. So let’s rephrase that to “In my opinion, Brian would not take Jason on if he didn’t think he could get quads.” Happy?
 
Brian teaches a different technique. Jason will have relearn his triple sal and toe before moving onto quads. Watch Gogolev. He doesn’t bring his free leg through on those jump
 
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