UPDATED: Jason Brown to Brian Orser (official)

[Tavi]

Brian teaches a different technique. Jason will have relearn his triple sal and toe before moving onto quads. Watch Gogolev. He doesn’t bring his free leg through on those jump

Thanks for the info. I’ve heard he’s jumping well and have seen a couple of recent clips with flip and Lutz but not toe or sal. I’m guessing they’ll want to right the ship with 3A before he attempts quads.

 

[MacMadame]

Is there something wrong with Jason's jump technique? Nothing jumped out at me when I watch him.

 

[Willin]

@MacMadame I don't think there's anything wrong. I think it's textbook for triples. The problem I've heard is that while his technique works very well for triples it's not necessarily optimal for quads. Admittedly there's been a good amount of videos of him doing gorgeous 4Ts, so maybe that jump's all mental. For other quads it's possible a technical change is needed.

 

[Tavi]

^ I recall Brian saying that Jason’s technique isn’t bad; just slightly different than what he teaches. He specifically mentioned that he teaches skaters to initiate rotation sooner. I’m no expert, but in a recent clip I saw, it looks like he’s starting to do that with flip and Lutz.

ETA here’s the clip (warning he falls on a spin!!)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfs_P9DeTjc

 

[aftershocks]

^ I recall Brian saying that Jason’s technique isn’t bad; just slightly different than what he teaches. He specifically mentioned that he teaches skaters to initiate rotation sooner. I’m no expert, but in a recent clip I saw, it looks like he’s starting to do that with flip and Lutz.

ETA here’s the clip (warning he falls on a spin!!)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfs_P9DeTjc

It looks like an exhibition. When did it take place? Jason skated a second performance to a familiar program (Sunshine in My Pocket).

 

[Tavi]

It looks like an exhibition. When did it take place? Jason skated a second performance to a familiar program (Sunshine in My Pocket).

He did a benefit for the ISI World Recreational Team Championships in Marlborough, Massachusetts last Friday. He did two programs; I picked this one bc it shows the jumps better. The other was the Justin Timberlake you mentioned, which he originally did for the SOI tour. I didn’t go to the benefit but @missing did - she gave a brief report in Jason’s fan thread. Happily, @katmari found these videos!

 

[skateboy]

Jason flutzes.

 

[Japanfan]

Do you really want to argue about this? I don’t know Brian at all, but Doug Haw, who’s a close friend of Brian’s, said on a TSL recap that Brian wont take a skater if he thinks he’s maxed out. So let’s rephrase that to “In my opinion, Brian would not take Jason on if he didn’t think he could get quads.” Happy?

Appreciate the "In my opinion".

But I'm not sure if "maxed out" = getting a quad. It could also mean improving existing triples, learning a more difficult triple combo, getting more difficult spins and footwork. The overall being maxing out possible.

I guess we'll have to wait until next season and see what happens.

If Brian is able to train Jason to execute a consistent quad, more power to both of them.

 

[mackiecat]

Yes he has good te nixie for triples. He does his sal and toe great as a triple. That technique doesn’t work for quads well though. Brian just teaches a different way so that those triples can become quads. It is common when you go to another coach to have to go back and relearn jumps

 

[Tavi]

Jason flutzes.

People have commented on this before and I did notice it especially in this clip - more than I usually do. He and Evgenia can take remedial Lutz class together.

@mackiecat I’m pretty sure changing his technique to work for quads was one reason he went to Orser. Do have any sense how long making a change like this takes? Though given his injury this spring, I’m just happy to see nice triples.

 

[Jammers]

People have commented on this before and I did notice it especially in this clip - more than I usually do. He and Evgenia can take remedial Lutz class together.

@mackiecat I’m pretty sure changing his technique to work for quads was one reason he went to Orser. Do have any sense how long making a change like this takes? Though given his injury this spring, I’m just happy to see nice triples.

What injury did Jason have in the spring?

 

[Tavi]

What injury did Jason have in the spring?

In April during Stars on Ice he sprained an ankle - I believe he slipped on some confetti that somehow made its way to the ice. Pretty sure he didn’t jump at all (including split jumps) in May, was very limited in June, and started full jump training in July.

 

[vesperholly]

Jason flutzes.

Yes

He didn't used to: https://youtu.be/G94pHGvq3Fs?t=1m31s

 

[misskarne]

Some odd history rewriting in this thread. Jason did used to flutz; as a Junior it was quite bad. He and Kori put in a lot of remedial work around 2013-2015 and it cleared up to be about a ! on a good day and e if he was very tired/injured.

 

[skateboy]

Some odd history rewriting in this thread. Jason did used to flutz; as a Junior it was quite bad. He and Kori put in a lot of remedial work around 2013-2015 and it cleared up to be about a ! on a good day and e if he was very tired/injured.

Jason flutzed all last season. Take a look at Jason's "jump explanation" video that he made just before the Olympics: the lutz is absolutely a flutz: https://youtu.be/iKulecXlyFs?t=1m50s

Everyone is concerned about Jason's quad and 3axel, but I'm far more concerned about his 3z.

 

[DreamSkates]

You don’t need to guess. The *last* thing Jason Brown, who has a steely resolve and determined work ethic, needs is a drill sargent. Or any toughening up. He’s plenty tough already. Thank heavens that’s not what Brian intends to do, from what I can tell

And I haven’t seen any coach take a “mommy” role toward Jason. Unless you mean that noted soft touch Frank Carroll, who has praised his obvious work ethic.

So looking forward to the next season

Maybe it was the hand-holding and shoulder-hugging activity in the Kiss & Cry with Kori. Coaches can have a role somewhat like a parent. Kori was Jason's coach from a young age. He is in his 20's now, so a change may be necessary.

 

[DreamSkates]

That would be a valid point...except the jumps are precisely what is holding him back. So who cares about the other aspects?

Spinning and footwork aren't important? Let's list some skaters with the jumps, but not much artistry. Jason has earned more points than some skaters with a quad.

 

[DreamSkates]

I'm quite a fan and I'm drawing a blank here: when did Hanyu finish below 9th?

Well, Scott Hamilton came in last in many of his earlier competitions, but he eventually blossomed into an Olympic Gold Medalist.

 

[MAXSwagg]

Spinning and footwork aren't important? Let's list some skaters with the jumps, but not much artistry. Jason has earned more points than some skaters with a quad.

You completely twisted the words. Jason already has fantastic spins and footwork. When talking about why Jason can’t break into the top group, it’s because of the quads. Whatever little game you tried to play with that, you failed.

 

[DreamSkates]

You completely twisted the words. Jason already has fantastic spins and footwork. When talking about why Jason can’t break into the top group, it’s because of the quads. Whatever little game you tried to play with that, you failed.

YOUR WORDS: "So who cares about the other aspects?" Whatever game you are playing with your words, I am not. It's just a comment. This is not the be all end all of what happens in figure skating.

 

[GreatLakesGal]

So now that Boyang will not be coming to TCC, does this mean Orser is likely to give more of his time/focus to Jason?

It did seem to me that Brian was overextending himself a bit by taking on so many new skaters. Thoughts?

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

So now that Boyang will not be coming to TCC, does this mean Orser is likely to give more of his time/focus to Jason?

It did seem to me that Brian was overextending himself a bit by taking on so many new skaters. Thoughts?

I missed something... Why is he not coming to TCC?

 

[kwanfan1818]

I don't remember an explanation, but @victorskid posted a tweet announcing a contract between Team Orser and the Chinese Fed to provide "guidance and coaching" for the lead up into Beijing 2022. I'm assuming these will be his roles in working with Jin.

 

[MAXSwagg]

YOUR WORDS: "So who cares about the other aspects?" Whatever game you are playing with your words, I am not. It's just a comment. This is not the be all end all of what happens in figure skating.

Are you that dumb or just acting like it?

 

[Tavi]

@ChiquitaBanana, it was just announced that he decided not to come:

https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/boyang-jin-cheer-thread.98102/page-7

@Great Lakes Gal, as to Jason, it’s kind of hard to answer the question.

You could argue that with Joseph Phan apparently joining the TCC team and Brian planning periodic trips to China, Brian may not have any more time for Jason than he would have if Boyang had come.

But I’m not sure that’s the right way to look at it. Jason has been at TCC for about 2 months now. We don’t really know which coaches he works with, or how much of Brian’s time/focus he currently has. But it’s at least likely that Brian has had time to form an impression of him.

I expect that if Brian finds Jason interesting to work with and responsive to his teaching, he’ll work with him as frequently as his schedule and competing priorities permit. On the other hand, if Jason seems to be getting more out of working with other coaches, Brian may work with him less frequently.

I expect we’ll learn more after Champs Camp and his first senior B.

 

[skatingguy]

The first significant change since Jason moved to Toronto.
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[Carolla5501]

The first significant change since Jason moved to Toronto.
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I like it and

 

[Lacey]

Wow, I was so worried about this, and it's fine, great, Jason looks fabulous, young and sophisticated, and his skating will grow with his new hair.

 

[4rkidz]

I think Jason benefit from the team approach with Orsers camp and I like the makeover. Unfortunately for the Toronto crew they will have less of Brian as he is not just Coaching Boyang but Team China..considering the distance and competition season that means less time.

 

[bardtoob]

I think Jason benefit from the team approach with Orsers camp and I like the makeover. Unfortunately for the Toronto crew they will have less of Brian as he is not just Coaching Boyang but Team China..considering the distance and competition season that means less time.

Orser sounds like he is spread too thin.