UPDATED/CONFIRMED: Evgenia Medvedeva leaving Tutberidze for Orser

screech said:
While those at the Cricket Club aren't tied to David Wilson and Jeff Buttle, it'd be nice to see Evgenia exposed to some different choreography (and maybe even costuming???), and I think either of them could do well with her.

And while Brian does have a youngster doing quads, he's been really great at limiting how often Gogolev can work on them, helping to prevent injury in that regard, so he would be a good person to have in charge if she wants to push herself technically. IIRC he also tried to limit how often Hanyu worked on the quad loop.

Since Javi hasn't retired, but is pulling back on competing, I think he's spending most of his time in Spain now instead of Toronto (though I wouldn't be surprised to see him training there occasionally). This definitely opens up an elite spot at the club. Evgenia could also do like Hanyu did, and spend time training both in Toronto and at home.


Tursynbayeva also speaks Russian.
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very true and she is very familiar with Eteri's group.
 
IceAlisa said:
The only person who said that was the director of the rink. Most others seem to think she is going to Orser.
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I think she's going with Brian too, I just figured she could 'officially' have a Sambo coach listed so she can maintain ties there. It's fairly common to have a 'home' coach listed along the main coaches, even if they aren't really coaching them much. For example, Javi has Daniel Peinado listed as one of his coaches.
 
So going back to the Armenia rumors, which I don’t actually believe to be true, but it occurred to me that if she were to hypothetically switch countries, this would be a good year to do it because she didn’t go to Worlds this year so her clock starts ticking earlier for her last competition for Russia, (the Olympics). Anyway, for a variety of reasons (love of Russia, lack of release), I don’t expect it to happen. But I like to theorize about hypotheticals.
 
FWIW, gazeta.ru has an article titled "Canada or Armenia, which team will Medvedeva choose?" that slams Tutberidze for not supporting Medvedeva more during the Olympics, saying that she basically churns and burns her students and alleging that Zagitova will be dumped next for Trusova. Sounds like it could be trash journalism, but gazeta.ru is as far as I know a pretty reputable newspaper.

They are saying that 5 different sources from All Sport agency are saying that Med is thinking of changing citizenship and that Med is definitely going to Canada to train with Orser.

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BittyBug said:
FWIW, gazeta.ru has an article titled "Canada or Armenia, which team will Medvedeva choose?" that slams Tutberidze for not supporting Medvedeva more during the Olympics, saying that she basically churns and burns her students and alleging that Zagitova will be dumped next for Trusova. Sounds like it could be trash journalism, but gazeta.ru is as far as I know a pretty reputable newspaper.

They are saying that 5 different sources from All Sport agency are saying that Med is thinking of changing citizenship and that Med is definitely going to Canada to train with Orser.

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I'm out of loop. What is All Sport agency?
 
@rosewood I don't know, it was just in the article. But their website says it's the agency of sport information. "The first national portal about sport and sport politics."
 
The article published today by http://allsportinfo.ru/ cites unnamed sources -- Google translated excerpt of the headline & first paragraph:
Evgenia Medvedeva can change sporting citizenship after moving from Eteri Tutberidze to Brian Orser

Silver medalist of the Olympic Games-2018, two-time world champion and European figure skating champion, 18-year-old Evgenia Medvedeva (photo), who decided to part with her coach Eteri Tutberidze and start cooperation with the famous Canadian specialist Brian Orser, can change sports citizenship. This development of events to the Agency "All Sport" did not exclude sources familiar with the situation.
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OUR HISTORY: The agency of sports information "All sports" was founded on October 20, 2005.

The original TASS article in Russian (linked in post #1 of this thread) was published in English on May 5: http://tass.com/sport/1002970
Renat Layshev, the director of Sambo-70 center for sports and education (Medvedeva's club) is the only named person cited on the record to date.
 
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MAXSwagg said:
It’s the same with Med. Someone said she needs to boost her components to stay competitive because they can’t see her getting more tech content. What boost? Her PCS are already maxed out!
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Ah, but they are fragile. She's getting 'Russian girl PCS' which is assigned based more on technical prowess than superior skating skills and components. If she gets passed technically by the upcoming class of Russian skaters her PCS will almost certainly drop relative to them as well.

She wants to build Kostner-esque PCS that are legit and married to the scoring system. That way she doesn't have to lead the world in technical to pull 9.5s and more.

We saw this phenomenon at worlds this year. Zagitova had a rough skate and her PCS dropped to mid to high 8s. Caro had a rough skate although less falls and got mid 9s for her LP. Based on past results I think that scoring would have held if worlds were in another country.

That's the strategy, to ward off the slew of upcoming competition.
 
As for Medvedeva representing Armenia, here’s what Ari Zakarian said about this possibility (apologies if it was already posted, didn’t read the whole thread): http://www.aravot-ru.am/2016/02/11/199988/

“Zakarian said that it is pointless to chase after Medvedeva. Yes, her father is an Armenian, his name is Artur Babasian. I don’t even know how to say that: he went to live in Russia, Evgenia was born, and soon after he has divorced her mother. Evgenia has now her mother’s last name. It’s not hard to imagine what a scorned woman can think about Armenians, and what exactly she tells her daughter. Evgenia lives and trains in Russia, she is financially set and has all the necessary training conditions, and therefore, does not need the support of the Armenian community. Our informed sources tell me that her monthly salary is equal to the whole budget of the Armenian Figure Skating Federation. I think it would be better if people who want to help, helped struggling Armenian skaters instead.”
 
As for Medvedeva leaving Tutbetidze.

It’s relatively easy to have a longevity in sports a la Kostner or Lambiel, when there is a great desert behind you, great desert ahead of you, and not a competitor in sight, and even if you lose at Nationals to the likes of Marchei or Othman, you’re still guaranteed a trip to Worlds and Euros.
It’s harder when you have competition in your country at your level, which is hard to overcome, like we’ve seen with Wagner and Gold, especially when your federation tends to put all its eggs in one basket.
It’s especially hard when your have your competition in your own group, and let’s face it, if your coach is helping your competitor to win, he’s not helping you, so it makes sense to stay only if you are 100% sure that you have what it takes to be number 1 in your group, like Davis/White or Hanyu or Plushenko.
And if you are in a situation, when you are facing an insanely deep field both in your country and in your own group, and your coach keeps accepting new students aiming at the next Olympics, and they all can do things that you have never been able to do - the easiest and the safest and perhaps the most reasonable option would be taking the Adelina Sotnikova route to capitalise on your past achievements and have a life outside of the rink.
But, while Medvedeva doesn’t have Sotnikova’s jumps and skating skills, she has what Adelina and 99% of other skaters don’t, which is consistency and a fighting spirit and the ability to get the best of any program under any circumstances. So maybe she knows better what she’s doing. It’s really her only chance, and she goes all in, which is admirable. And apparently she’s not afraid to use the “switching countries” threat to negotiate with the FFKR.
 
Sorry but Janny is not comparable to Kostner or any other of her contemporaries at this point, the best example I can think of at this point is Kwan because they both redefined what is expected from a woman skater/the attachment from the mega fans.
 
quiqie said:
As for Medvedeva leaving Tutbetidze.

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But, while Medvedeva doesn’t have Sotnikova’s jumps and skating skills, she has what Adelina and 99% of other skaters don’t, which is consistency and a fighting spirit and the ability to get the best of any program under any circumstances.
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Yes to both sides of that statement!

Lol love the Russian bluntness.
 
The Kostner comparison is interesting, because it begs the questions: does Evgenia want longevity or does she want to win? Even if she got Kostner's PCS, she still won't be winning if the younger skaters are able to do harder jumps. I think she wants to win because otherwise there is no point to such a drastic coaching change. If she's going to Orser, I think PCS is a minor factor at best. She already gets pretty high PCS, legit or not. She wants to master more difficult jumps so she can remain competitive.
 
quiqie said:
As for Medvedeva representing Armenia, here’s what Ari Zakarian said about this possibility (apologies if it was already posted, didn’t read the whole thread): http://www.aravot-ru.am/2016/02/11/199988/

“Zakarian said that it is pointless to chase after Medvedeva. Yes, her father is an Armenian, his name is Artur Babasian. I don’t even know how to say that: he went to live in Russia, Evgenia was born, and soon after he has divorced her mother. Evgenia has now her mother’s last name. It’s not hard to imagine what a scorned woman can think about Armenians, and what exactly she tells her daughter. Evgenia lives and trains in Russia, she is financially set and has all the necessary training conditions, and therefore, does not need the support of the Armenian community. Our informed sources tell me that her monthly salary is equal to the whole budget of the Armenian Figure Skating Federation. I think it would be better if people who want to help, helped struggling Armenian skaters instead.”
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This article is more than two years old (published in February 2016), so it has nothing to do with the current situation.

I don't think Evgenia wants and will change countries. The Armenia option is something she could keep in mind in case she is not able to make the Russian team anymore. But there are a lot of downsides to it and she will know that. And if she doesn't make the Russian team anymore her chances of winning something even competing for another country are slim. And if she competes, she wants to be competitive and not just have a nice trip to Europeans, Worlds and the Olympic Games.
 
Eislauffan said:
This article is more than two years old (published in February 2016), so it has nothing to do with the current situation.

I don't think Evgenia wants and will change countries. The Armenia option is something she could keep in mind in case she is not able to make the Russian team anymore. But there are a lot of downsides to it and she will know that. And if she doesn't make the Russian team anymore her chances of winning something even competing for another country are slim. And if she competes, she wants to be competitive and not just have a nice trip to Europeans, Worlds and the Olympic Games.
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I don't think she will change countries either. Med is very intelligent and strong willed and has only had a bit of a battle of wills with Eteri. She does not belong in a factory with a hive mentality. She was never happy with just winning...she wanted to be the best and she has been working hard to become a well rounded skater. I felt very uncomfortable with what happened at Olympics. Eteri was not surprised at results but Med seemed blindsided. Whatever happened in that camp after that time who knows but I do hope she ends up in Brian's camp where what you have already is perfected and honed and options and suggestions are given but you are expected to think on your own and they will give you the tools to do so. I think she will bloom in that atmosphere and that would be wonderful. You don't put 18yr olds out to pasture just because the nursery is bursting at its seams.
 
BittyBug said:
FWIW, gazeta.ru has an article titled "Canada or Armenia, which team will Medvedeva choose?" that slams Tutberidze for not supporting Medvedeva more during the Olympics, saying that she basically churns and burns her students and alleging that Zagitova will be dumped next for Trusova. Sounds like it could be trash journalism, but gazeta.ru is as far as I know a pretty reputable newspaper.

They are saying that 5 different sources from All Sport agency are saying that Med is thinking of changing citizenship and that Med is definitely going to Canada to train with Orser.

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How could Med skate for Canada???????
 
bardtoob said:
Kostner's TES is held up, FOR SURE . . . but I am okay with her PCS. I would rather see every top Russian and Canadian female skaters get lower PCS before Kostner.
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PCS is not just about skating skills. When she makes multiple mistakes her execution and performance quality goes down. I am ok with her high PCS if she skates nearly clean with lower tech content.
 
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