U.S. Women [#6]: The More the Merrier!

[DreamSkates]

If the goal in Boston is to secure three spots for Olympics, I will never trust Amber or Bradie to do it. Amber is way too nervous and unreliable of a competitor. And Bradie has done progressively worse in her last three appearances at worlds. I’d rather USFS leave those two at home and give Isabeau, Alysa and Sarah a shot.

After the success in her 2 GPs, she’s in a very good position. There is no other US woman close in scores to Amber but who knows. That could happen by Nationals and Worlds.

 

[Willin]

I think Sarah is a great choice for Junior Worlds. She is very good for her age, but with the age limit raising there's time for her to develop into a Senior. No need to rush anyone into the spotlight, especially when she has improving to do.

It's amazing that we have so many amazing Seniors already that we have a 8 solid candidates for the team that could comceivably make it: Alysa, Bradie, Amber, Isabeau, Lindsay, Elyce, Sarah, and Josephine. Now only a couple of those could threaten the podium, but even that is such an improvement than the years of just Gracie and Ashley.

 

[her grace]

Everhardt was already 4th at nationals last season. I don’t see why there’s all this handwringing about her being ready to be a top-3 American. She was already knocking on that door last year.

 

[her grace]

It's amazing that we have so many amazing Seniors already that we have a 8 solid candidates for the team that could comceivably make it: Alysa, Bradie, Amber, Isabeau, Lindsay, Elyce, Sarah, and Josephine.

Lee is too young and Thorngren doesn’t have the BOW to be considered.

Now only a couple of those could threaten the podium, but even that is such an improvement than the years of just Gracie and Ashley.

How quickly Polina Edmunds is forgotten.

 

[Karen-W]

I think Sarah is a great choice for Junior Worlds. She is very good for her age, but with the age limit raising there's time for her to develop into a Senior. No need to rush anyone into the spotlight, especially when she has improving to do.

It's amazing that we have so many amazing Seniors already that we have a 8 solid candidates for the team that could comceivably make it: Alysa, Bradie, Amber, Isabeau, Lindsay, Elyce, Sarah, and Josephine. Now only a couple of those could threaten the podium, but even that is such an improvement than the years of just Gracie and Ashley.

Josephine is not age-eligible for senior Worlds. She won't be until next season. And given how poorly she's performed at Jr Worlds each of the past two seasons (19th & 20th), I have far less trust in sending her to Jr Worlds again, even if she does beat any of the other age-eligible women at Nats.

Lindsay's scores don't give me any comfort either, about how she would fare at Worlds, unfortunately.

I'd like to note that the "years of just Gracie and Ashley" also produced Polina Edmunds - who won a 4CCs title in there and Mirai Nagasu - who won a 4CCs silver & two bronzes - something Gracie did not manage at any of the 3 of the 4CCs she competed at during the same time frame. Ashley was a diva who thought too highly of herself and competing at 4CCs was beneath her, but all that arrogance got her was 1 World silver medal - which is equal to what Isabeau Levito has achieved (in a far shorter time on the senior scene, I might add).

The point of sending either Sarah or Elyce to senior Worlds is to prepare them for the pressure and spotlight that exists at that level, especially when they've demonstrated they have the skills, on any given day, to beat Isabeau, Alysa, Bradie, Lindsay, & Josephine. Barring injury, the likelihood of that happening next year is greater than it is this year.

Yes, spots for next season & the Olympics are on the line and that should be a consideration for two of those spots, but if Sarah finishes in the top 3, there's no good reason to keep her home from Boston, other than sheer stupidity and snobbishness in valuing PCS over consistency and better TES. For all the bellyaching about potential q & < calls for Sarah, she's still got the highest TES of any woman not named Amber competing on the GP with the exception of Alysa at SCI.

SP TES -
Amber - GPdF - 44.35
Amber - CoC - 37.77
Alysa - SCI - 36.73
Sarah - Fin - 36.63
Sarah - GPdF - 36.26
Isabeau - SkAm - 34.42
Bradie - SkAm - 34.21
Alysa - NHK - 33.68
Elyce - SkAm - 30.82
Bradie - NHK - 29.79
Lindsay - Fin - 29.25
Elyce - SCI - 28.70
Lindsay - NHK - 27.38

FS TES -
Amber - CoC - 76.03
Sarah - GPdF - 68.01
Amber - GPdF - 65.97
Sarah - Fin - 65.27
Elyce - SCI - 64.51
Elyce - SkAm - 63.97
Bradie - NHK - 62.93
Alysa - NHK - 61.45
Isabeau - SkAm - 59.58
Bradie - SkAm - 59.54
Alysa - SCI - 59.34
Lindsay - Fin - 56.35
Lindsay - NHK - 55.69

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Josephine is not age-eligible for senior Worlds. She won't be until next season. And given how poorly she's performed at Jr Worlds each of the past two seasons (19th & 20th), I have far less trust in sending her to Jr Worlds again, even if she does beat any of the other age-eligible women at Nats.

Lindsay's scores don't give me any comfort either, about how she would fare at Worlds, unfortunately.

I'd like to note that the "years of just Gracie and Ashley" also produced Polina Edmunds - who won a 4CCs title in there and Mirai Nagasu - who won a 4CCs silver & two bronzes - something Gracie did not manage at any of the 3 of the 4CCs she competed at during the same time frame. Ashley was a diva who thought too highly of herself and competing at 4CCs was beneath her, but all that arrogance got her was 1 World silver medal - which is equal to what Isabeau Levito has achieved (in a far shorter time on the senior scene, I might add).

The point of sending either Sarah or Elyce to senior Worlds is to prepare them for the pressure and spotlight that exists at that level, especially when they've demonstrated they have the skills, on any given day, to beat Isabeau, Alysa, Bradie, Lindsay, & Josephine. Barring injury, the likelihood of that happening next year is greater than it is this year.

Yes, spots for next season & the Olympics are on the line and that should be a consideration for two of those spots, but if Sarah finishes in the top 3, there's no good reason to keep her home from Boston, other than sheer stupidity and snobbishness in valuing PCS over consistency and better TES. For all the bellyaching about potential q & < calls for Sarah, she's still got the highest TES of any woman not named Amber competing on the GP with the exception of Alysa at NHK.

SP TES -
Amber - GPdF - 44.35
Amber - CoC - 37.77
Alysa - SCI - 36.73
Sarah - Fin - 36.63
Sarah - GPdF - 36.26
Isabeau - SkAm - 34.42
Bradie - SkAm - 34.21
Alysa - NHK - 33.68
Elyce - SkAm - 30.82
Bradie - NHK - 29.79
Lindsay - Fin - 29.25
Elyce - SCI - 28.70
Lindsay - NHK - 27.38

FS TES -
Amber - CoC - 76.03
Sarah - GPdF - 68.01
Amber - GPdF - 65.97
Sarah - Fin - 65.27
Elyce - SCI - 64.51
Elyce - SkAm - 63.97
Bradie - NHK - 62.93
Alysa - NHK - 61.45
Isabeau - SkAm - 59.58
Bradie - SkAm - 59.54
Alysa - SCI - 59.34
Lindsay - Fin - 56.35
Lindsay - NHK - 55.69

Yassssss mamaaaaaa

 

[Private Citizen]

Yes, spots for next season & the Olympics are on the line and that should be a consideration for two of those spots, but if Sarah finishes in the top 3, there's no good reason to keep her home from Boston, other than sheer stupidity and snobbishness in valuing PCS over consistency and better TES.

I mostly agree, but I can think of two good reasons:
1. Glenn bombs and finishes 4th or lower at Nationals to Everhardt's third
2. Levito finishes a close 4th to Everhardt's third (a few points difference)

Glenn won two GPs; Levito is the world silver medalist. Both remain ahead in "body of work," although I'd say Levito is vulnerable and not guaranteed if she doesn't skate well at Nationals.

I'd modify your statement to say that Everhardt should go to Worlds if:

• She finishes second or first at Nationals, or
• She finishes third with Glenn and Levito in first and second in either order, or
• She finishes third and Levito withdraws

I don't think any other US woman, including Liu and Tennell, have the body of work to bump Everhardt.

 

[Karen-W]

I mostly agree, but I can think of two good reasons:
1. Glenn bombs and finishes 4th or lower at Nationals to Everhardt's third
2. Levito finishes a close 4th to Everhardt's third (a few points difference)

Glenn won two GPs; Levito is the world silver medalist. Both remain ahead in "body of work," although I'd say Levito is vulnerable and not guaranteed if she doesn't skate well at Nationals.

Reason 1 - yes, fair enough. I think Glenn's done enough to warrant a spot on the World team even if she bombs Nats.

Reason 2 - Just want to clarify that you're assuming a scenario where 1-2 are both age-eligible, not a situation like last season with Josephine Lee winning silver, right? If so, then, I think that's probably fair. Levito did manage to hang on for bronze at SkAm and I do think the Worlds silver should count for something. Having said that, I'd probably put Everhardt on the 4CCs team in this scenario.

I'd modify your statement to say that Everhardt should go to Worlds if:

• She finishes second or first at Nationals, or
• She finishes third with Glenn and Levito in first and second in either order, or
• She finishes third and Levito withdraws

I don't think any other US woman, including Liu and Tennell, have the body of work to bump Everhardt.

That's really where I'm at on this whole discussion. None of the data point toward Everhardt having a lesser body of work or scoring potential than anyone not named Glenn or Levito. They're all in around the same range and we're not really going to go wrong with any one of Everhardt, Liu, Tennell or even Lin-Gracey as the 3rd Worlds team member.

 

[PRlady]

I’ve no problem with Everhardt taking the third spot if she wins it fair and square, but as noted her PCS is going in the wrong direction. She’s going to finish behind the Japanese girls, Kim, Loena if she’s back to normal, her US teammates and possibly Repond and Gutmann unless it’s a disaster competition for those skaters. Elyce still has a higher SB score and has beaten Levito twice. To be fair, Everhardt beat Kaori and Isabeau at other comps.

I’ve always thought that the two hardest things for a skater to fix are bad jump technique and lack of musicality. Isabeau is in the first boat and Everhardt the second. If Ava can come back from injury as she did last year, and Alysa gets her stamina back and fixes the URs as she has before, they’re both far better bets if Glenn returns to headcase or Levito blows her jumps. IMO.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I would say Amber is a lock as long as nothing crazy happens. Isabeau is likely in if she shows up looking decently healthy. I would say that, if the highest age eligible finisher other than those two is Sarah, Bradie, Alysa, Ava, or Elyce, they would be sent. If it’s not one of those four, I am not so sure.

I agree with Karen. I would not send Josephine to Jr. worlds (or worlds when she’s older) again until she can produce some credible international scores.

 

[Karen-W]

I’ve no problem with Everhardt taking the third spot if she wins it fair and square, but as noted her PCS is going in the wrong direction. She’s going to finish behind the Japanese girls, Kim, Loena if she’s back to normal, her US teammates and possibly Repond and Gutmann unless it’s a disaster competition for those skaters. Elyce still has a higher SB score and has beaten Levito twice. To be fair, Everhardt beat Kaori and Isabeau at other comps.

I’ve always thought that the two hardest things for a skater to fix are bad jump technique and lack of musicality. Isabeau is in the first boat and Everhardt the second. If Ava can come back from injury as she did last year, and Alysa gets her stamina back and fixes the URs as she has before, they’re both far better bets if Glenn returns to headcase or Levito blows her jumps. IMO.

One could make the same argument about Elyce, TBH.

SkAm SP - 30.40
SCI SP - 29.94
SkAm FS - 60.75
SCI FS - 59.22

Alysa & Bradie both experienced PCS increases between their 1st & 2nd GPs. Lindsay, Sarah & Elyce did not. Amber was split - SP PCS went down between GPdF and CoC, but her FS PCS went up between GPdF and CoC (understandable given the visible errors in the CoC SP and the GPdF FS, respectively). Sarah was certainly more tense at Finlandia vs. GPdF - and that's something that showed in her PCS mark, IMO.

That is NOT the same as a lack of musicality, by the way. The biggest problem for Sarah right now are the programs (the costumes aren't bad & work with the programs) - which are, as far as I can tell, done in-house by TeamRoman&Tatiana. Some investment needs to be made to get her to a real, decent choreographer who can work to bring out her strengths. I'd love to see what she can do with Bezic or Bourne.

I'd keep her away from B E N O I T - none of what he's doing for Adam, Nina or Bradie this season is that great and his pretentiousness wouldn't fit right on Sarah. I'd also keep her away from Marie-France - another choreographer whose head is too far up her own you know what to recognize what sort of music will or won't work for any particular skater & refuses to back down when something's not working (see Kaori). And, I'd also keep her away from Drew Meekins - he does nice choreography but many of his music choices seem pretty warhorse-y or generically pretty and that wouldn't work for what Sarah needs right now to kind of break out of her very technically-focused performance quality.

 

[Debbie S]

Shae-Lynn Bourne choreographed Sarah's SP. Nadia Kanaeva (Team Raf) did the FS. I believe Sarah said in an interview that Tatiana picked the Firebird music, not sure who chose Riverdance.

 

[honey]

I don’t see the choreography as Sarah’s biggest problem. Not by a long shot. Mostly the programs are well thought out and you can tell someone with experience did them.

The problem is her complete lack of ability to perform and any connection between her face and her body. And I think she does try to listen to the music, but it’s not always happening right now. But my sense is that someone has told her that this arm movement or turn goes on this part of the music, and she’s getting it done sometimes and not other times

Her poor posture, line and no toe point whatsoever are also an issue.

But the choreography itself in both programs is really not the biggest problem. Someone with more capable skating skills and performance quality would look great skating to those. I think Bradie skating Sarah’s Riverdance would be far better than Bradie’s own short program this year for example. Bradie is an example of someone who’s choreo is bringing them down a bit this year.

But all that to say, I would be betting on Sarah to get on the world team. Her consistency will get her there.

 

[layman]

Not only did Sarah Everhardt work with Shae Lynn Bourne on her Riverdance SP this season, but she sought and received artistic advice on how to perform the program from Jason Brown. She also sought and received artistic advice from Gracie Gold on how to perform her Firebird LP. I can see the influence of both Jason Brown and Gracie Gold in the way she performs her programs this season. She has worked super hard to boost her PCS scores. That was her main focus this season (rather than adding a quad). Thankfully, the judges have noticed and are rewarding Sarah's artistic progress!

Sarah still has a long way to go in her artistic journey but as this is her 1st Senior season, artistically she is right where Michelle Kwan, Carolina Kostner and Sarah Hughes were during their 1st Senior seasons.

This season has been a wonderful debut on the Senior circuit, but there is a lot more to come from Sarah Everhardt!

 

[PRlady]

I remember Kwan and Hughes as first year seniors and both had a lot more innate musicality and performance ability.

ETA: Sarah as a first year senior (at 13!) using Chopin, which doesn’t even give the obvious movements of Firebird: https://youtu.be/anVFJ675QxM?si=sj1Z-VMNLpHnGCKQ

Yeah she flutzes and skates young but she’s much much more musical than Everhardt.

 

[layman]

I remember Kwan and Hughes as first year seniors and both had a lot more innate musicality and performance ability.

You are mis-remembering (time does that). Michelle was a jumping bean her 1st Senior season. She could do a 7 triple program with ease but she barely listened to or used her music. It would take her a few more seasons to develop her artistry. This was noticed by the World when she committed to improving her artistry and debuted Dance of the Seven Veils in her 3rd Senior season.

Similarly, Sarah Hughes was unrefined, awkward and gangly during her 1st Senior season. She had not yet learned to hit pretty positions, but she was up against Sasha Cohen (an early developer in the artistic side of skating), so Sarah had to learn quickly. Robin Wagner started taking her to ballets and the experience made a strong impression on Sarah Hughes. The next season she skated to Don Quixote and her posture, line and positions had improved 1000%.

 

[PRlady]

You are mis-remembering (time does that). Michelle was a jumping bean her 1st Senior season. She could do a 7 triple program with ease but she barely listened to or used her music. It would take her a few more seasons to develop her artistry. This was noticed by the World when she committed to improving her artistry and debuted Dance of the Seven Veils in her 3rd Senior season.

Similarly, Sarah Hughes was unrefined, awkward and gangly during her 1st Senior season. She had not yet learned to hit pretty positions, but she was up against Sasha Cohen (an early developer in the artistic side of skating), so Sarah had to learn quickly. Robin Wagner started taking her to ballets and the experience made a strong impression on Sarah Hughes. The next season she skated to Don Quixote and her posture, line and positions had improved 1000%.

See my ETA above.

 

[Evgeniafan]

One could make the same argument about Elyce, TBH.

SkAm SP - 30.40
SCI SP - 29.94
SkAm FS - 60.75
SCI FS - 59.22

Alysa & Bradie both experienced PCS increases between their 1st & 2nd GPs. Lindsay, Sarah & Elyce did not. Amber was split - SP PCS went down between GPdF and CoC, but her FS PCS went up between GPdF and CoC (understandable given the visible errors in the CoC SP and the GPdF FS, respectively). Sarah was certainly more tense at Finlandia vs. GPdF - and that's something that showed in her PCS mark, IMO.

That is NOT the same as a lack of musicality, by the way. The biggest problem for Sarah right now are the programs (the costumes aren't bad & work with the programs) - which are, as far as I can tell, done in-house by TeamRoman&Tatiana. Some investment needs to be made to get her to a real, decent choreographer who can work to bring out her strengths. I'd love to see what she can do with Bezic or Bourne.

I'd keep her away from B E N O I T - none of what he's doing for Adam, Nina or Bradie this season is that great and his pretentiousness wouldn't fit right on Sarah. I'd also keep her away from Marie-France - another choreographer whose head is too far up her own you know what to recognize what sort of music will or won't work for any particular skater & refuses to back down when something's not working (see Kaori). And, I'd also keep her away from Drew Meekins - he does nice choreography but many of his music choices seem pretty warhorse-y or generically pretty and that wouldn't work for what Sarah needs right now to kind of break out of her very technically-focused performance quality.

I elect Kevin Aymoz to do her choreography.

 

[her grace]

Josephine is not age-eligible for senior Worlds. She won't be until next season. And given how poorly she's performed at Jr Worlds each of the past two seasons (19th & 20th), I have far less trust in sending her to Jr Worlds again, even if she does beat any of the other age-eligible women at Nats.

Agreed. Send skaters who have a hope of contending to be the third-best nation skater who can potentially beat China, France, Finland, Italy, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Switzerland so the U.S. could earn the maximum number of JGP spots.

I'd like to note that the "years of just Gracie and Ashley" also produced Polina Edmunds - who won a 4CCs title in there and Mirai Nagasu - who won a 4CCs silver & two bronzes - something Gracie did not manage at any of the 3 of the 4CCs she competed at during the same time frame.

Yes, both Edmunds and Nagasu were capable skaters who produced some impressive international results.

Ashley was a diva who thought too highly of herself and competing at 4CCs was beneath her, but all that arrogance got her was 1 World silver medal - which is equal to what Isabeau Levito has achieved (in a far shorter time on the senior scene, I might add).

Ahem, Levito accomplished this without any Russians in the field. So that's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Wagner would have been on the podium in her second World appearance in 2012 if the Russians had been banned then as well. Heck, I'd argue that she should have been anyway; Leonova was way overscored. She also would have medaled again in 2015 if Russians were not competing. It's a totally different playing field from Wagner's era to now.

 

[her grace]

I remember Kwan and Hughes as first year seniors and both had a lot more innate musicality and performance ability.

ETA: Sarah as a first year senior (at 13!) using Chopin, which doesn’t even give the obvious movements of Firebird: https://youtu.be/anVFJ675QxM?si=sj1Z-VMNLpHnGCKQ

Yeah she flutzes and skates young but she’s much much more musical than Everhardt.

Yeah, I'm not sure comparing Everhardt to first-year Kwan or Hughes does her any favors. I mean, Kwan was only 12 and she skated with more energy and verve. Hughes at 13 was already developing her port de bras and she had some facial expression. Both were works-in-progress, of course.

I'm glad that Everhardt is working on her artistry and assume that she is determined to continue to develop that aspect of her skating.

 

[NinjaTurtles]

I don’t think Wagner felt 4CC was beneath her. She won 4CC when it was held in North America and then wasn’t it hosted in Asia for a decade thereafter? The competition’s timing is pretty unfortunately scheduled relative to someone trying to improve their body conditioning and endurance given growing injury and age issues.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Was curious about Josephine this weekend, but she just laid down 50 points in the short program so I can’t really advocate for her even being on the junior world team.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Logan with 51.

Curious to see how the next month or two play out.

I guess if I had to pick the two member junior world team now I would go with Elyce and maybe Sherry ?

Orrrr wait Sophie joline Von Felton

So Sophie Jolene and either Elyce or Sherry.

 

[toddlj]

Logan also bombed the short at Sectionals (wearing some kind of cumbersome shoulder brace.) She came back well in the long despite the brace. Not sure I'd write her off yet since she clearly has some sort of injury.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Interesting could Starr be back in the conversation she just laid out 64+ points in the short program in

I’ll be curious to see the free program

 

[Sylvia]

Copying over the U.S. women's results today at Santa Claus Cup in Budapest from the competition thread in the Kiss & Cry section:

Advanced Novice Women final standings:
1 Skylar LAUTOWA-PEGUERO USA 133.61 2 1 - FS jumps: 3Lzb+2T, 3Lob+2Ab+2T+SEQ, 3T, 3Lo, 3Lz fall, 3S (better than Easterns!)

FS protocols: https://hunskate.hu/external/mukorc...OV----FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Skylar LAUTOWA-PEGUERO	USA	90.84​	52.14​		38.70​	5.92​	6.17​	6.08​	0.00​	#28​

Skylar's mother/coach was with her in Budapest, unlike at Eastern Sectionals.

Junior Women SP:

5​	Logan HIGASE-CHEN	USA	51.26​	27.87​		24.39​	6.17​	5.92​	6.25​	1.00​	#6​
6​	Josephine LEE	USA	50.48​	25.76​		25.72​	6.50​	6.50​	6.33​	1.00​	#10​

Higase-Chen: 3Lzq+3Tq fall, 2A, 2F; all spins level 4, steps level 3
Lee: 2A, 3T+3T<<, 3F!q [ETA correction: fall -1 time deduction, not a fall]; one spin L4, other 2 spins & steps L3

Senior Women SP protocols: https://hunskate.hu/external/mukorc...------QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf
Andrews: 2A, 3T+3T, 3Lo; all spins level 4, steps level 3
Hilmer: 3F!<+2T (-1.27), 2A, 3Lo; all spins L4, steps L3
... 13th Lindsay Wang 44.39: 3Lz!<+2T (-1.58), 2A fall, 3Lo< fall ... StSq4 [affected by an ankle injury at Easterns]

Starr tends to be more consistent in her SP than FS so we shall see what Sunday brings.

Alysa’s 3Lz clip (in her Oakland rink) that she shared yesterday:

刘美贤 Alysa Liu on Instagram: "just another triple lutz cause it’s been too long since it’s last upload 🙂‍↕️"

32K likes, 79 comments - alysaxliu on November 28, 2024: "just another triple lutz cause it’s been too long since it’s last upload 🙂‍↕️".

www.instagram.com

 

[vu2019]

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[vu2019]

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[Sylvia]

Thank you for the correction re. J. Lee’s SP deduction, @vu2019 - I’ve edited it into my post above.

Skylar's mother/coach was with her in Budapest, unlike at Eastern Sectionals.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1862680726480560209

 

[barbk]

One could make the same argument about Elyce, TBH.

SkAm SP - 30.40
SCI SP - 29.94
SkAm FS - 60.75
SCI FS - 59.22

Alysa & Bradie both experienced PCS increases between their 1st & 2nd GPs. Lindsay, Sarah & Elyce did not. Amber was split - SP PCS went down between GPdF and CoC, but her FS PCS went up between GPdF and CoC (understandable given the visible errors in the CoC SP and the GPdF FS, respectively). Sarah was certainly more tense at Finlandia vs. GPdF - and that's something that showed in her PCS mark, IMO.

That is NOT the same as a lack of musicality, by the way. The biggest problem for Sarah right now are the programs (the costumes aren't bad & work with the programs) - which are, as far as I can tell, done in-house by TeamRoman&Tatiana. Some investment needs to be made to get her to a real, decent choreographer who can work to bring out her strengths. I'd love to see what she can do with Bezic or Bourne.

Is there enough inter-rater reliability to believe those two sets of PCS scores are materially different?