U.S. Pairs 2018 - News & Updates, Part VIII

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@Sylvia so out of the top ten in Jr at Nationals, only 2nd (Feng/Nyman) and 3rd (Lockley/Prochnow) are left to do juniors this season? Wow.

So I guess apart from the 3 on the ISP, we might expect to see a couple novice teams and some of the new teams on the JGP.

I wonder if the US will end up using all the JGP spots.
Spoiler alert: they won't. They only used 7 of 8 this past season, so there's no way they'll use all 12.
I wouldn't count on that. There is a concerted effort to invest in pairs in the US, and I think that all spots will be used this season.

5 out of 12, assuming Feng/Nyman and Lockley/Prochnow both earn a second spot. Being generous to the USFSA, and assuming that if Hom/Jerosch were available, they'd have two, that makes 7 out of 12 total. For the US's weakest disipline, I can't imagine any way this is a good thing.

Potential causes:
1) not enough age eligible skaters who want to do pairs
2) not enough age eligible teams
3) USFSA's standards are too high

Reason 1 has been discussed a lot, so I won't go into that here. I think the USFSA could do more to encourage age eligible pairs (like envelope funding that's only available to teams who are age eligible), but it's a tricky balance between that and not discouraging pairs period.

3 is an easily solvable issue. Obviously the USFSA could just lower the score needed, and it's very possible they should. But another option could be to set scores separately for the SP and the LP. A team would only have to get one of the scores to get an assignment. (I believe now it's a total score needed, but since the USFSA doesn't publish anything about this I could easily be wrong.) That way new teams that are still gelling might be able to qualify earlier in the season by focusing on one program without really lowering the standard.
 
For the US's weakest disipline, I can't imagine any way this is a good thing.

Potential causes:
1) not enough age eligible skaters who want to do pairs
2) not enough age eligible teams
3) USFSA's standards are too high

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3 is an easily solvable issue. Obviously the USFSA could just lower the score needed, and it's very possible they should. But another option could be to set scores separately for the SP and the LP. A team would only have to get one of the scores to get an assignment. (I believe now it's a total score needed, but since the USFSA doesn't publish anything about this I could easily be wrong.) That way new teams that are still gelling might be able to qualify earlier in the season by focusing on one program without really lowering the standard.

I'm not sure whether it's that USFS's standards are too high or that they are completely unrealistic in the given time frame. USFS seems to want pairs to have reached the standard by July (when the first JGP entry deadline is), which is nearly impossible to do for a new team. However, a team that hasn't reached the standard in July may very well reach that standard by September when the JGP events actually takes place. Take Finster/Nagy for example. The rumor is that they just reached the standard in August after three of the four event deadlines had passed, and then they got the final event. USFS ought to put placeholder names in the early events or TBAs like Korea does before it holds its selection competition. Then if a team (or multiple teams) meet the standards, they have space to assign them. If no one does, then they could withdraw the placeholder name. As it is, they've made it very hard for a new team to get an assignment at all. And you're going to have new teams at the junior level: size mismatches, let alone everything else that goes into making a successful pair, will happen as skaters grow up.
 
I remember reading comments in similar past discussions that (paraphrasing) USFS shouldn't make it too easy for new pairs to be assigned to a JGP merely/mainly because they are age-eligible. :p

Re-posting from the JGP thread and replying here:
Can someone explain to me why is USFSA sending 3 pairs teams now [to the 4th pairs JGP in Ostrava] ...
Is there a rule or criteria?
Only 3 JGP age-eligible teams were included in the initial ISP this spring -- Feng/Nyman, Lockley/Prochnow and 2018 Novice champs Hom/Jerosch. Feng/Nyman originally were scheduled to compete at Skate Detroit in July but did not show. I've since heard there was an injury and can only assume that, had F/N been healthy and shown competition readiness in Detroit, they likely would have been assigned to the first JGP in Bratislava.

Hom/Jerosch omitted throw jumps from their programs at Skate Detroit and did not seem to be at full strength there (AFAIK they have not competed since then) and it appears they have not been deemed competition ready enough to be listed as an alternate for Ostrava.

As mentioned earlier, the new pair of Kate Finster/Balazs Nagy only attained the ISP minimum score last week and it looks as if current USFS policy allows teams (and singles skaters) to be assigned to a JGP and/or be listed as an alternate only after they are in the ISP.

Making the ISP score reportedly is not the only requirement. I've heard the pairs need to demonstrate a level of proficiency in a number of technical elements in order to be considered for a JGP assignment.
 
Although both Feng/Nyman and Lochley/Prochnow both age out after this year (I think)...there might be a few more prospects next season...unless they all split :p

Finster/Nagy (age?) and Hom/Jerosch
Goldstein/Bearinger and Martins/Bedard
Knoop/Eisenach...ok that's all I have for now
 
I remember reading comments in similar past discussions that (paraphrasing) USFS shouldn't make it too easy for new pairs to be assigned to a JGP merely/mainly because they are age-eligible. :p
Which is why I specifically listed a change that wouldn't lower the standard, just make it more flexible.
 
Senior teams in the ISP that haven't yet been assigned an international are Deardorff/Settlage and Smith/Reiss. Deardorff/Settlage competed pretty well at Skate Detroit and probably will get one of the next Senior Bs.
Added to the U.S. International Classic today (moved from sub list): Winter DEARDORFF / Max SETTLAGE (Team USA debut together :))
No longer listed as competing in SLC (pairs field is down to 5 which is the minimum number required for ISU WS ranking points):
Jessica PFUND / Joshua SANTILLAN USA (listed for Nebelhorn on ISU site but not yet confirmed on USFS' Assignments page)
Nadine WANG / Spencer Akira HOWE USA
 
BIG :cheer: for USA's Laiken Lockley/Keenan Prochnow, 54.61 in their Junior SP today for 2nd place! (-1 deduction was for a time violation); music is "If I Ain't Got You" by Alicia Keys (choreo. by co-coach Stefania Berton who is with them in Linz) & there's even a confident wink by Laiken at the end! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw7uTL6MRWY

ETA from earlier in the thread:
2018 U.S. Junior Pairs bronze medalists Laiken Lockley, 16, and Keenan Prochnow, 20, recently started a YT channel - their first vlog was uploaded on July 16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8rXolIMZfA
(Lockley/Prochnow currently are listed on the ISU website for JGP #2 in Linz, AUT.)
 
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A little outside the topic. Was meeting with a new financial adviser yesterday who asked me what my post-retirement goals were, i.e. traveling, etc. I told him that I was a big skating fan and liked to go to competitions. He then mentioned that he was on an Alaskan cruise this summer and was on a side trip to a glacier/waterfall. He noticed a young couple on the trip; a very diminutive blonde and a tall, slim man. He then watched him lift the skater into a multi-positional lift.

When he said he couldn't remember their names, I replied, "That was Alexa Scimeca Knierim and Chris Knierim, our national champions! I filled him in on their challenging journey. Small world, isn't it? :)
 
I remember reading comments in similar past discussions that (paraphrasing) USFS shouldn't make it too easy for new pairs to be assigned to a JGP merely/mainly because they are age-eligible. :p

Re-posting from the JGP thread and replying here:

Only 3 JGP age-eligible teams were included in the initial ISP this spring -- Feng/Nyman, Lockley/Prochnow and 2018 Novice champs Hom/Jerosch. Feng/Nyman originally were scheduled to compete at Skate Detroit in July but did not show. I've since heard there was an injury and can only assume that, had F/N been healthy and shown competition readiness in Detroit, they likely would have been assigned to the first JGP in Bratislava.

Hom/Jerosch omitted throw jumps from their programs at Skate Detroit and did not seem to be at full strength there (AFAIK they have not competed since then) and it appears they have not been deemed competition ready enough to be listed as an alternate for Ostrava.

As mentioned earlier, the new pair of Kate Finster/Balazs Nagy only attained the ISP minimum score last week and it looks as if current USFS policy allows teams (and singles skaters) to be assigned to a JGP and/or be listed as an alternate only after they are in the ISP.

Making the ISP score reportedly is not the only requirement. I've heard the pairs need to demonstrate a level of proficiency in a number of technical elements in order to be considered for a JGP assignment.
Added to the U.S. International Classic today (moved from sub list): Winter DEARDORFF / Max SETTLAGE (Team USA debut together :))
No longer listed as competing in SLC (pairs field is down to 5 which is the minimum number required for ISU WS ranking points):
Jessica PFUND / Joshua SANTILLAN USA (listed for Nebelhorn on ISU site but not yet confirmed on USFS' Assignments page)
Nadine WANG / Spencer Akira HOWE USA
I remember reading comments in similar past discussions that (paraphrasing) USFS shouldn't make it too easy for new pairs to be assigned to a JGP merely/mainly because they are age-eligible. :p

Re-posting from the JGP thread and replying here:

Only 3 JGP age-eligible teams were included in the initial ISP this spring -- Feng/Nyman, Lockley/Prochnow and 2018 Novice champs Hom/Jerosch. Feng/Nyman originally were scheduled to compete at Skate Detroit in July but did not show. I've since heard there was an injury and can only assume that, had F/N been healthy and shown competition readiness in Detroit, they likely would have been assigned to the first JGP in Bratislava.

Hom/Jerosch omitted throw jumps from their programs at Skate Detroit and did not seem to be at full strength there (AFAIK they have not competed since then) and it appears they have not been deemed competition ready enough to be listed as an alternate for Ostrava.

As mentioned earlier, the new pair of Kate Finster/Balazs Nagy only attained the ISP minimum score last week and it looks as if current USFS policy allows teams (and singles skaters) to be assigned to a JGP and/or be listed as an alternate only after they are in the ISP.

Making the ISP score reportedly is not the only requirement. I've heard the pairs need to demonstrate a level of proficiency in a number of technical elements in order to be considered for a JGP assignment.

Hom/Jerosch suffered an injury early summer, which explains why throws were intentionally left out at skate Detroit
 
Deanna cannot hit an ugly position, even in an aborted lift. :)

This program feels very grounded to me, natural for them. Half Dubreuil's choreography and the other half being three years together.
 
If anyone wants to watch a partial clip of Deanna and Nate's LP to the Bodyguard TSL has it-
https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson/status/1038528141516394496

It looks like he had the whole program, but it was taken down due to copyright. Might be an issue so if you want to watch. Watch quickly. Very good program despite the one lift issue........



Or you could wait and watch it When you won’t be giving credit to trash talkers.

I’ll pass on anything that useless source posts
 
Link to the Team USA bio of Nica Digerness & Danny Neudecker: http://www.usfigureskatingfanzone.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=97
SP Music: "The Rose" by Bette Midler
FS Music: "Flight of the Birds" [by The Cinematic Orchestra] & "Let It Go" [by James Bay]
Coach Dalilah Sappenfield choreographed their programs.
D/N also will make their ISU Challenger debut this week at Lombardia Trophy in Bergamo, Italy.

Sarah Feng & TJ Nyman will male their season debut at the JGP in Vancouver (Richmond) this week - here's is the link to their Team USA bio: http://www.usfigureskatingfanzone.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=92
SP Music: "Farrucas"
FS Music: Elvis Presley medley
Choreographers: Ilona Melnichenko, John Kerr
Coaches: Dalilah Sappenfield, Larry Ibarra, Robin Szolkowy

ETA:

At the U.S. Classic in Salt Lake City...

Ashley Cain & Timothy LeDuc - link to their Team USA bio: http://www.usfigureskatingfanzone.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=56

This will be the senior international debut for Audrey Lu & Misha Mirofanov - link to their Team USA bio: http://www.usfigureskatingfanzone.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=90
SP Music: “Masquerade Waltz” by Khachaturian
FD Music: “Moulin Rouge-Roxanne” by The Police
Choreographers: Olga Ganicheva, Evgeni Nemirovskii
Coaches: Aleksey Letov, Olga Ganicheva

This will be the Team USA debut for Winter Deardorff and the senior international debut of her and Max Settlage as a team -- link is not yet up for their Team USA bio and their ISU bio has yet to be updated with her personal info and their program music: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00104730.htm

Pairs Scoretracker has been updated: https://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/scoretracker/current-pairs-scores/
 
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Or you could wait and watch it When you won’t be giving credit to trash talkers.

I’ll pass on anything that useless source posts


Up to you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just offering it to anyone who would like to see it. I saw it already for myself. It seems to be the only link available to their program.
 
Looks like Lu/Mitrofanov have swapped ISU Challengers with Pfund/Santillan -- L/M are now listed for Nebelhorn Trophy as their second Challenger assignment (USFS has yet to list their Nebelhorn and Finlandia entries on their Assignments page).
 
I didn't see it posted here (and of course this was announced when I was away on vacation, LOL :lol: ) but Tarah & Danny's coaching change was officially announced last week. Link: http://www.usfigureskating.org/story?id=91757&type=media

BTW-They will be releasing a new blog talking more about their decision but I haven't received it yet. I promise to share it as soon as I get it for the site. :)
 
Cain/LeDuc showed a LOT of grit in their FS last night - kudos to them on their first international gold medal in SLC!

Audrey Lu/Misha Mitrofanov won the silver in their senior international debut (he usually can land the sbs triples but had a very off jumping night, falling on both 3S and 3T). I thought she showed improvement in many of the pair elements.

SLC was Winter Deardorff's international & Team USA debut and her and Max Settlage's international debut as a team - here's an article that was published about them before the competition began: https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/...x-settlage-take-things-to-the-next-level.aspx

All 3 pairs shared their thoughts after they skated their respective free skates last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ8DeedT0BY
 
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Cain/LeDuc are my fave U.S. pairs team. Get those throws right and OMG they can go far.

The death spiral in the long program was so pretty.

And I love their artistry. Just love them.

I agree!

Who choreographed this free program?

This program has the most choreography from a US Pairs team since I dont know when....

I have rewatched this program already over 5 times tonight. :)

I just glanced at the entries for next week at Ondrej Nepela Trophy. They have a good chance of another gold medal!
 
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