U.S. Ice Dance 2022-23 news & updates

[dancing_on_ice]

I do think both teams will be giving the other teams in places 6-10 in the US a run for their money!

They've both already surpassed Ling/Wein. I would expect both teams to be able to outscore Cesanek/Yehorov too. I'd be very curious if they're able to beat the Browns, who are currently the lowest scoring among that general group. I'm excited to see Zingas/Kolesnik compete at Golden Spin next month once Emilea is allowed to compete for the US. I'm worried that Ivan hasn't been released, since he hasn't been added to ISP, while Z/K are on it. Ideally, both teams would be able to compete at Golden Spin.

 

[jlai]

Ivan last competed for Belarus in 2021. even with release, doesn't he have to wait a year, or is it two now? I lost track

 

[Karen-W]

Ivan last competed for Belarus in 2021. even with release, doesn't he have to wait a year, or is it two now? I lost track

His last competition for BLR was Sept 2021, IIRC, so he has sat out the year and should be able to get a release from their fed. I'm sure the USFS has their people working on it.

 

[princeton123]

I can’t believe Chock and Bates are still competing. Talk about overstaying your welcome by at least five years.

 

[Debbie S]

I can’t believe Chock and Bates are still competing. Talk about overstaying your welcome by at least five years.

So which other U.S. dance team are you related to?

 

[princeton123]

Lol none! I’ve just been in a foreign country working for two years without much by the way of internet connection and I came back and I am genuinely stunned they’re still competing lol

 

[Karen-W]

So which other U.S. dance team are you related to?

It's easy enough to figure that answer out, and while I am a huge fan of said team, I'm not a fan of that post because I don't think Chock/Bates overstayed their welcome by "at least five years" - they were still in the the thick of things this entire last quad along with HubDon.

 

[princeton123]

No, they’ve been around way too long. I don’t even know what could possibly be driving them at this point apart from fear of moving on. Skating skills have been stagnant for at least a decade, programs aren’t especially fresh or inspired, they haven’t improved for years, they don’t look hungry to be out there. Their last outing just screamed lack of heart, especially from Evan. Why are they even still in it?

 

[Karen-W]

No, they’ve been around way too long. I don’t even know what could possibly be driving them at this point apart from fear of moving on. Skating skills have been stagnant for at least a decade, programs aren’t especially fresh or inspired, they haven’t improved for years, they don’t look hungry to be out there. Their last outing just screamed lack of heart, especially from Evan. Why are they even still in it?

Presumably to win a world title and to give Hawayek/Baker a season to settle in as the leaders of US ice dance for the rest of the quad. I have a feeling they'll retire after this season if they win Worlds.

 

[princeton123]

Presumably to win a world title and to give Hawayek/Baker a season to settle in as the leaders of US ice dance for the rest of the quad. I have a feeling they'll retire after this season if they win Worlds.

Staying in for a title seems misguided to me. What are they going to do if they don't win? Stay another year? Another two years? Another quad? You can't be motivated only by the hardware, it's not enough.

 

[Wyliefan]

All I can say is that I'll be so sad for whichever team out of C/P and G/P doesn't make it to Worlds. I like them both so much. Hope they both have lots of chances to go in the future, though there's such an incredible depth of young talent in U.S. dance that they'll have to stay on their toes!

 

[Trillian]

No, they’ve been around way too long. I don’t even know what could possibly be driving them at this point apart from fear of moving on. Skating skills have been stagnant for at least a decade, programs aren’t especially fresh or inspired, they haven’t improved for years, they don’t look hungry to be out there. Their last outing just screamed lack of heart, especially from Evan. Why are they even still in it?

Skate America wasn’t a great start to this season, but their programs the last 2-3 seasons were very well-received and they made a pretty significant competitive comeback beginning in 2019. If you either have an axe to grind or haven’t been following competitive ice dance in a few years, just say so.

 

[Karen-W]

Staying in for a title seems misguided to me. What are they going to do if they don't win? Stay another year? Another two years? Another quad? You can't be motivated only by the hardware, it's not enough.

What makes you think they won't win? They were clearly under-prepared at SkAm, but let's see how they look next week, with another 4 weeks of training under their belts, before we declare them cooked and done.

 

[jlai]

All I can say is that I'll be so sad for whichever team out of C/P and G/P doesn't make it to Worlds. I like them both so much. Hope they both have lots of chances to go in the future, though there's such an incredible depth of young talent in U.S. dance that they'll have to stay on their toes!

I really like G/P, but C/P looks good enough that if they are rocking both segments, I'd say sure, a trip to worlds. They are fairly young and they should push each other to excellance.

 

[skatfan]

Staying in for a title seems misguided to me. What are they going to do if they don't win? Stay another year? Another two years? Another quad? You can't be motivated only by the hardware, it's not enough.

Lol, i think they are staying because they still love to compete and oh, let’s see, they had two of the most talked about free dances of the last two seasons.
I wonder if Evan has been injured because he didn’t seem himself at Skate America.

 

[princeton123]

What makes you think they won't win? They were clearly under-prepared at SkAm, but let's see how they look next week, with another 4 weeks of training under their belts, before we declare them cooked and done.

I don't know why you're acting like it's a certainty they'll win. The world title has never been a gimme for anyone, even with the depleted field this year.

 

[skatfan]

I don't know why you're acting like it's a certainty they'll win. The world title has never been a gimme for anyone, even with the depleted field this year.

I think you misunderstand - one competes for a title. If you don’t compete, you can’t win. So they are competing.

 

[Trillian]

I don't know why you're acting like it's a certainty they'll win. The world title has never been a gimme for anyone, even with the depleted field this year.

Nobody’s acting certain about anything. We’re just acting like the top-ranked team from last year’s Worlds might reasonably expect to be among the contenders for the title this season. It wouldn’t hurt to google some recent results, because “they haven’t won anything in years lol” probably isn’t the most effective trolling tactic in this case. Brush up on some recent history and I’m sure you can come up with some trash talk that’s not completely untethered from reality.

 

[firstflight]

I can’t believe Chock and Bates are still competing. Talk about overstaying your welcome by at least five years.

I vaguely remember your posts but not caring enough to search backwards. This is such a classic MAGA tone, lol. The whole “own the libs.” Congrats.

 

[VGThuy]

Overstayed their welcome for five years? Arguably, the best programs of their career happened in the four seasons prior to this one.

 

[her grace]

I am generally of the mindset that no one needs to retire to make room for youngsters. Rather, let the youngsters defeat the veterans if they skate better.

OTOH, I do find it ironic that when Bates was asked how they could close the gap against Davis/White at a press conference back in 2014, he said, Well, you are going to retire, right?" (paraphrase) while he's now had 4 Olympic trips.

 

[Prancer]

I vaguely remember your posts but not caring enough to search backwards. This is such a classic MAGA tone, lol. The whole “own the libs.” Congrats.

What?

 

[Lara111]

Lol, i think they are staying because they still love to compete and oh, let’s see, they had two of the most talked about free dances of the last two seasons.
I wonder if Evan has been injured because he didn’t seem himself at Skate America.

I wonder if he thinks he is done competing...

 

[Karen-W]

So, presuming that Flores/Desyatov don't have his release from BLR yet, who do we bribe at the USFS to assign three teams to Golden Spin? Obviously, we need to see how Zingas/Kolesnik score internationally, but I need an international showdown between GrePar and CarPon, ASAP, ahead of Nats, pretty please, lol.

 

[BlueRidge]

So, presuming that Flores/Desyatov don't have his release from BLR yet, who do we bribe at the USFS to assign three teams to Golden Spin? Obviously, we need to see how Zingas/Kolesnik score internationally, but I need an international showdown between GrePar and CarPon, ASAP, ahead of Nats, pretty please, lol.

Their GPs aren't head to head but they each one more and I think we'll learn a lot from that.

 

[~tapdancer~]

Their GPs aren't head to head but they each one more and I think we'll learn a lot from that.

I have already made up my mind...Car/Pon all the way. Their FD is fantastic.

 

[firstflight]

What?

Sorry, sometimes I am too obscure. It’s to deliberately phrase an opinion in as disrespectful a manner as possible to maximize the provocation.

 

[Ena Grins]

So, presuming that Flores/Desyatov don't have his release from BLR yet, who do we bribe at the USFS to assign three teams to Golden Spin? Obviously, we need to see how Zingas/Kolesnik score internationally, but I need an international showdown between GrePar and CarPon, ASAP, ahead of Nats, pretty please, lol.

I think this is a great idea actually. I'd love to see how Carreira/Ponomorenko and Green/Parsons fare head to head in an international competition.

 

[Karen-W]

2022 Nationals Qualifiers -

Chock/Bates 202.80 intl**
Hawayek/Baker 202.07 intl**
Green/Parsons 194.19 intl**
Zingas/Kolesnik 192.74 domestic
Flores/Desyatov 187.86 domestic
Carreira/Ponomarenko 187.42 intl**
Wolfkostin/Chen 180.46 intl**
Pate/Bye 179.63 intl
Bratti/Somerville 179.14 intl
McNamara/Spiridonov 179.03 intl
Brown/Brown 173.74 intl**
Ling/Wein 171.30 domestic/140.83 intl
Koncius/Shchepetov 164.86 domestic
Cesanek/Yehorov 153.03 intl
Krauskopf/Jin 130.76 domestic

We've already talked about whether or not Desyatov has his release from BLR since Flores/Desyatov haven't been added to the ISP yet. Either way, seems like a sure bet that Zingas/Kolesnik will be assigned to Golden Spin. The USFS has also added Santa Claus Cup (Thanksgiving weekend in Budapest - Women, Men & Dance), so it's possible they'll assign Ling/Wein to that and possibly Koncius/Shchepetov - or no teams at all.

** - still have at least one GP this fall (and GPF likely for ChoBat & HawBak)

 

[Rukia]

That sectional score versus the international score is cracking me up those sectional scores are wild