The Dance Hall 6: We're All Off Our Rockers 2018-2019

[PRlady]

For what it's worth, which is totally nothing . . .

I always thought Delobel & Schoenfelder (particularly Schoenfelder) were relatively weak performers for a top team and that IJS is what propelled them as far as they came. (That without it, the performance aspect of their skating would have kept them from being competitive for the podium). I did feel they grew as performers then, toward the end of their career. I did like The Piano program and their last two ODs.

I loved their Venetian mask program but thought he was much stronger than she was. I think both DelSchoes and P/B were B teams in between the highs of A/P and P/C.

 

[VGThuy]

I missed the old days where two splats on twizzles were really devastating (remember when teams ran the risk of getting a zero?) as opposed to now where you can get almost 3 points for it despite two major splats. That 2.77 saved Sinitsina/Katsalapov a spot in the final group and helped them get a 5th place as opposed to like a 9th place.

 

[Lara111]

I missed the old days where two splats on twizzles were really devastating (remember when teams ran the risk of getting a zero?) as opposed to now where you can get almost 3 points for it despite two major splats. That 2.77 saved Sinitsina/Katsalapov a spot in the final group and helped them get a 5th place as opposed to like a 9th place.

I like the new rule better. The issue on a twizzle especially when it is one off may happen with anybody and should not cost that much

 

[Bigbird]

I like the new rule better. The issue on a twizzle especially when it is one off may happen with anybody and should not cost that much

But the dance as a whole was so flat and deflated after. Why so high PCS? It still isn't fair to the remaining competitors.

 

[Bigbird]

Euros is always such a mixed bag and that was certainly that this time around. Nikita did stick around Vika at least instead of just skating away like last Euro disaster. So he has indeed mature #silverlining

It took all her composure to not give him a Fusar-Poli like stare at the end and that honestly is probably what he needed to get his head back in the game. Today was just so anti-climatic after working so hard all season why so much nerves?

 

[VGThuy]

I like the new rule better. The issue on a twizzle especially when it is one off may happen with anybody and should not cost that much

Disagree. If you don’t do an element it should cost.

 

[nunner]

Disagree. If you don’t do an element it should cost.

I have not posted very much but I feel compelled to say that is is outrageous that S/K would get levels 4 and 3 for twizzles where both of them had a fall. Simply mind blowing. P/G have a slight bobble for G and he gets a level 3. Unbelievable!

 

[barbarafan]

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/ec2019/ec2019_IceDance_RD_Scores.pdf
I think dostani the tech caller who apparently hates them was not a fan. Those twizzles were on point. I agree with the L2 for the TR bc they do the first pattern at an odd point in the music. No clue why they got a L2 midline.

I thought there should be a greater cap between P/C and S/B overall but can anyone answer why S/K did not get all -5 on the twizzle GOE...he made an epic splat which caused her to almost fall saving herself with hands on the ice. I do not understand why for performance and interpretation that they did not get low 8's?

 

[sharsk8s]

I thought there should be a greater cap between P/C and S/B overall but can anyone answer why S/K did not get all -5 on the twizzle GOE...he made an epic splat which caused her to almost fall saving herself with hands on the ice. I do not understand why for performance and interpretation that they did not get low 8's?

Because we are in Belarus with a technical caller who loves the russians and has had a grudge against P/C since 2016 (maybe earlier). He is the reason why P/C got ridiculous calls and not an 87.

 

[yurokis40]

If only their FD this year wasn't so meh.....They played it so safe and they're capable of so much more.

that's not the opinion of a lot of people they are skating to a song never used in ice dance, its expertly choreographed the way they incorporate the elements together, its a lot better than H&D or S&K who are skating to old fashioned programs like the b esp commentators said.

 

[Lara111]

I thought there should be a greater cap between P/C and S/B overall but can anyone answer why S/K did not get all -5 on the twizzle GOE...he made an epic splat which caused her to almost fall saving herself with hands on the ice. I do not understand why for performance and interpretation that they did not get low 8's?

I realize there are a lot of people here who hate S/K but how much lower can you put them? They are already behind K/S

 

[sharsk8s]

Does anyone have eurosport or nbc with commentary for P/C?

 

[deegee]

They had a blowout fight?!?!

https://youtu.be/J6nNIoVyBX0?t=367

 

[Bigbird]

I realize there are a lot of people here who hate S/K but how much lower can you put them? They are already behind K/S

Behind the Brits and S/D, if the rules say they earned a -5 GOE, why isn't it applied? I think that's the question. But is there a plausible reason why they were scored as they were?

 

[Bigbird]

that's not the opinion of a lot of people they are skating to a song never used in ice dance, its expertly choreographed the way they incorporate the elements together, its a lot better than H&D or S&K who are skating to old fashioned programs like the b esp commentators said.

Oh no I love H/D Romeo and Juliet Part 2, LOL . But I don't see W/P's FD as much better than S/K's but hey that's why dance is so subjective.

 

[Madison25]

I have to agree with the comments that noted the inflation in scores for the Russians and the Poles. I checked the panel: the tech specialist is from Ukraine and the assistant from Poland.
Now I am worried for P/C... they are much better than the rest of the field, but if they do a mistake, they might lose it here.

 

[sharsk8s]

I am not, they can't score them significantly lower than IdF unless they make a huge error. The bias judging can only go so far. Plus the judges seem to like them (High GOE and PCS)

 

[kittysk8ts]

I have to agree with the comments that noted the inflation in scores for the Russians and the Poles. I checked the panel: the tech specialist is from Ukraine and the assistant from Poland.
Now I am worried for P/C... they are much better than the rest of the field, but if they do a mistake, they might lose it here.

Nah, the FD is their strength. All will be well.

 

[Madison25]

Nah, the FD is their strength. All will be well.

Does anyone know why Cizeron's twizzle was level 3?

 

[VGThuy]

I have to agree with the comments that noted the inflation in scores for the Russians and the Poles. I checked the panel: the tech specialist is from Ukraine and the assistant from Poland.
Now I am worried for P/C... they are much better than the rest of the field, but if they do a mistake, they might lose it here.

I really do not think you have anything to worry about. Even if they blow their twizzles or something, they can still get like 3 points for it. With a mistake like that they may lose to S/B who knock it out of the park, but with the judges still on their side with GOE and PCS, I think they can still hold on to silver.

 

[Madison25]

I really do not think you have anything to worry about. Even if they blow their twizzles or something, they can still get like 3 points for it. With a mistake like that they may lose to S/B who knock it out of the park, but with the judges still on their side with GOE and PCS, I think they can still hold on to silver.

I dont see silver as something good for them, especially if they lose to a team like S/B.

 

[yurokis40]

Oh no I love H/D Romeo and Juliet Part 2, LOL . But I don't see W/P's FD as much better than S/K's but hey that's why dance is so subjective.

H&D are all wrong for this program, they are not juniors anymore skating to romeo and Juliet is a blasphemy the coreo is already built in for them no imagination plus as for sinkats what is the point of that program what is it trying to say , plus you can't help making a comparison to klimova and Ponomarenko and they really pale.

 

[VGThuy]

I dont see silver as something good for them, especially if they lose to a team like S/B.

That's only if they blow an important element. I don't really see that happening, and if they do blow a big element and another team within striking range after the SD does not, then it'd be a fair result. I just don't get why P/C fans are so worried. P/C never blow it that bad and they have the love of the judges who will try to get them to break a world record with their PCS and GOE scores. The judges will protect them from a level 2 call.

 

[yurokis40]

I thought the judging was fair you can clearly see their Timing error on P&C in the first pattern and guillaume exited the third twizzle too quicky missed a turn hence the downgrade, the level 2 mist not surprised they need more difficulty here too simple for a team of their caliber.

 

[barbarafan]

I realize there are a lot of people here who hate S/K but how much lower can you put them? They are already behind K/S

I thought the judging was fair you can clearly see their Timing error on P&C in the first pattern and guillaume exited the third twizzle too quicky missed a turn hence the downgrade, the level 2 mist not surprised they need more difficulty here too simple for a team of their caliber.

What does it matter that they are behind k/s. Judges are supposed to judge what they see on the ice that day, that routine not just say...I better give them a slap on the wrist...but make sure they still end up on the podium. That big mess totally ruined the rest of the program.

 

[yurokis40]

What does it matter that they are behind k/s. Judges are supposed to judge what they see on the ice that day, that routine not just say...I better give them a slap on the wrist...but make sure they still end up on the podium. That big mess totally ruined the rest of the program.

I agree on that point I remember how Andrew Poje was harshly penalized last year at nationals for falling on the twizzles, and Piper gilles mistake this year at skate Canada if this had been a Canadian top team they would have scored something like 65 and not be in the final group there is cleary a pro Russia trend this year in ice dance wonder how much the Russian fed is paying.

 

[Bigbird]

So help me a bit here is Bobrova saying she and Dima just need time to skate like P/C? Not sure if something was lost in translation. So em... they really do plan to come back after she delivers? Anybody has the real scoop?

Bobrova's Dreams

 

[Lara111]

So help me a bit here is Bobrova saying she and Dima just need time to skate like P/C? Not sure if something was lost in translation. So em... they really do plan to come back after she delivers? Anybody has the real scoop?

Bobrova's Dreams

No, she is just saying that she would have liked to skate like French and that they also had moments when they felt like they were creating on the ice and not just mechanically repeating the movements. She also said that this is what Russians should strive for.

 

[Bigbird]

No, she is just saying that she would have liked to skate like French and that they also had moments when they felt like they were creating on the ice and not just mechanically repeating the movements. She also said that this is what Russians should strive for.

Okay, I figured google translate got something wrong, but she's so right. The Russians need a pair that has that, both artistry and technical prowess. I haven't seen that pair yet, still waiting.

 

[muffinplus]

The camera work is just so bad at euros... I can't appreciate the performances because the camera zooms out so damn far