Skate America 2025 Women’s Free -Misses Accomplished

shan said:
Yes, I'm watching now. I always forget how hilarious she is in these things! :lol:
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One of the few performers whose actual personality comes through in her performance. (Rinka is fiercer, and Guba shyer, than I would have guessed.) she’s quite a young woman.
 
shan said:
Yes, I'm watching now. I always forget how hilarious she is in these things! :lol:
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There's video here of her hopping the barrier to pick up a flower crown for Gubanova. :lol:

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ISU Figure Skating ⛸ on Instagram: "POV: you’re a real one, climbing over the boards to grab a flower crown so your competitor can look just as cute 🌸✨ #FigureSkating #GPFigure"

324K likes, 1,014 comments - isufigureskating on November 16, 2025: "POV: you’re a real one, climbing over the boards to grab a flower crown so your competitor can look just as cute 🌸✨ #FigureSkating #GPFigure".
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Alysa - glad she won but she really needs to can that program. She really is just going through the motions with a non-descript smiley face.

Rinka - low-balled on PCS and I thought the calls on the 2nd lutz and the salchow were excessive (and inconsistent with some other wonky triples in the event that were called clean - tale as old as time). I think she has great interpretation but the way the music peters out at the end really does suck the energy out of the program.

Anastasiia - great program for her. Her skating always just looks like so much work but nice to see her podium here.

Lara - hate all those tanos.

Starr - great skate for her.

Chaeyeon - awful program, she should go back to Tron. Jumps heavily scrutinized.

Serna - kind of an awkard skater but has nice jumps when they work.

Haein - thought the commentary was a bit unfair about her program as I thought she had some nice choreographic flourishes. These callers were really out for blood with her and Josephine.

Ekaterina - she loves her musicals doesn't she.

Wakaba - sad to see her skating injured.

Josephine - her jumps used to be better.
 
Wyliefan said:
There's video here of her hopping the barrier to pick up a flower crown for Gubanova. :lol:

www.instagram.com

ISU Figure Skating ⛸ on Instagram: "POV: you’re a real one, climbing over the boards to grab a flower crown so your competitor can look just as cute 🌸✨ #FigureSkating #GPFigure"

324K likes, 1,014 comments - isufigureskating on November 16, 2025: "POV: you’re a real one, climbing over the boards to grab a flower crown so your competitor can look just as cute 🌸✨ #FigureSkating #GPFigure".
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com
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That was honestly such a funny moment in the arena, and just so Alysa.
 
Alysa - When is she going to debut her new free? Or is now decided that she sticking to this one? It lacks spark. It's like she is going through the motions.

Rinka - I really like this programme for her and how fierce she is. For some reason I'm always afraid she will underrotate her jumps. They don't go up as much/ I don't know what it is about them, but they don't feel secure.

Anastasiia - I'm thrilled for her. She has the best back and posture, and now that she is finally emoting, her programmes are touching my heart.

Lara - I was disappointed for her as much as I love Gubanova. I do like this programme and the originality she always brings.

Chaeyeon - This programme doesn't go anywhere. And the fact that she always breaks her neckline looking up instead of forward is annoying me too much this season.
 
Got a chance to sit and really watch Gutmann's program. I think it is one of my favourites. I loved the way she worked with the music. When it was more subtle, she expressed it very well. But then upped the tempo and speed when it built up and got more intense. I was very impressed.
 
I have to say that I'm very impressed with Rinka's style. She and Alysa possess some of the same similarities and quality of skating. However, Rinka could have possibly beaten Alysa if her second triple axel would have been flawless.

I'm looking forward to seeing Alysa, Rinka and Amber compete at the Olympics. There's going to be some good competition that's well worth seeing, and I for one can't wait!

I'm also so proud of Starr placing 5th! She rocked and I fell in love with her Free Skate! Good for her!! I hope she competes like that at Nationals because I would LOVE to see her at the Olympics!
 
Simone411 said:
I have to say that I'm very impressed with Rinka's style. She and Alysa possess some of the same similarities and quality of skating. However, Rinka could have possibly beaten Alysa if her second triple axel would have been flawless.

I'm looking forward to seeing Alysa, Rinka and Amber compete at the Olympics. There's going to be some good competition that's well worth seeing, and I for one can't wait!

I'm also so proud of Starr placing 5th! She rocked and I fell in love with her Free Skate! Good for her!! I hope she competes like that at Nationals because I would LOVE to see her at the Olympics!
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Starr moved up 2 places score for US ladies. She`s tied with Bradie
 
What a great event this was, with so many entertaining ladies throughout the ranks and with so many--at least 5--at the top skating well in both the SP and the free. From the beginning of the season, I thought the women's event had the deepest field here; and while not everyone is firing on all cylinders, it was a joy to watch so many fiery ladies in one GP.
 
I feel sorry for Rinka as I thought she should have won. Coming second means she is not guaranteed a spot at the GP final. That in turn is important for making her case for the third Olympic spot. Skate America's home cooking has potentially far reaching repercussions for her and while she was trying to maintain a brave face at the press conference, it was clear she was upset. I hope she gets into the Grand Prix final, but her fate is now in the hands of others. :cry:
 
nlloyd said:
I feel sorry for Rinka as I thought she should have won. Coming second means she is not guaranteed a spot at the GP final. That in turn is important for making her case for the third Olympic spot. Skate America's home cooking has potentially far reaching repercussions for her and while she was trying to maintain a brave face at the press conference, it was clear she was upset. I hope she gets into the Grand Prix final, but her fate is now in the hands of others. :cry:
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Just going to point out the following little facts to dispel the "home cooking" conspiracy theory floating around FS social media:

1) the US judge had Rinka 1st in the FS and Alysa 3rd.
2) the Japanese judge had Alysa 1st and Starr 2nd in the FS with Rinka 5th.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990218990434549824
 
The American judge got it right although there’s a case for putting Alysa 4th after LNG. The Japanese judge seems to be playing internal politics but who knows.
 
Karen-W said:
Just going to point out the following little facts to dispel the "home cooking" conspiracy theory floating around FS social media:

1) the US judge had Rinka 1st in the FS and Alysa 3rd.
2) the Japanese judge had Alysa 1st and Starr 2nd in the FS with Rinka 5th.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990218990434549824
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It wouldn’t necessarily have to do much with home cooking. It could easily be a technical panel calls versus no calls issue and it often is. The loop in the short from Alysa was shown in super slow motion on the Jumbotron and it wasn’t close to rotated. At all. Thats just one example.

Anyways, ordinals mean very little these days because the judges don’t know what their point total is when submitting everything, and they don’t know the levels that are called. The US judge basically had all of the top 3 tied in that regard.
 
tony said:
It wouldn’t necessarily have to do much with home cooking. It could easily be a technical panel calls versus no calls issue and it often is. The loop in the short from Alysa was shown in super slow motion on the Jumbotron and it wasn’t close to rotated. At all. Thats just one example.

Anyways, ordinals mean very little these days because the judges don’t know what their point total is when submitting everything, and they don’t know the levels that are called. The US judge basically had all of the top 3 tied in that regard.
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And it's already been noted that Alysa's 3lo was called <, so that's an irrelevant example you're bringing up to try and make your point.
 
Karen-W said:
And it's already been noted that Alysa's 3lo was called <, so that's an irrelevant example you're bringing up to try and make your point.
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It looked << to us hence the ‘wasn’t close to rotated. At all.’ So once again Karen, don’t tell me what my point is. Look at the attitude you constantly give when people give responses in a perfectly normal way.
 
tony said:
It looked << to us hence the ‘wasn’t close to rotated. At all.’ So once again Karen, don’t tell me what my point is. Look at the attitude you constantly give when people give responses in a perfectly normal way.
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Then perhaps you should be more precise than a generalized 'wasn't close to rotated' and state you believe it should have been downgraded.

You are the one going out of your way to contradict everything I post, especially when it doesn't fit your selected narrative. But, sure, the tech panel which had a Norwegian tech controller, a Dutch tech specialist and an American/Canadian (Scott Davis) tech specialist was inclined to not scrutinize Alysa's jumps as harshly as Rinka's. Or how the judges were wrong with their PCS marks for Rinka.

Here's the funny thing - in real time, I expected the result to be a lot closer and that it could go either way. I also had the benefit of watching from home with the NBC tracker that showed almost all of Rinka's jumping passes were under review (going off my memory, just her opening 3a+3t and 3f didn't get marked for review). Could the tech panel have been slightly less tough on Rinka? Probably. Would it have made up the points difference by which she lost had the tech panel given one less <? No.

You have a lot of frustration with how IJS is applied from competition to competition. While I can understand that frustration and would love to see some of the problematic areas addressed with better technology that takes the human judgement out of it, I also have reached a much different point in my fandom and the expression of that fandom here where I figure it all washes out in the end - some panels are more lenient than others. It is what it is.

Feel free to stop reading at this point because I'm about to get a little philosophical in an attempt to help you understand where I come from with respect to results and IJS.

Mankind is not perfect, far from it. We do our best - sometimes we succeed, sometimes we fail. But these titles and medals are manmade honors. I don't see that there's much point in getting too riled up or aggravated with what one tech panel does versus another tech panel because, in the long run, those tech panels are as imperfect and IJS is as imperfectly decided as humanity is. When we are dust to dust, ashes to ashes, facing our Creator on Judgment Day, these manmade honors, all the tech panel calls or non-calls count for nothing. Sure, it's nice to see skaters I root for win, but if they don't win... Well, life goes on. And when they retire... Well, again, life goes on. So does the sport.
 
I'm having trouble following the plot, because

tony said:
It wouldn’t necessarily have to do much with home cooking.
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reads to me like agreement with:
Karen-W said:
Just going to point out the following little facts to dispel the "home cooking" conspiracy theory floating around FS social media:

1) the US judge had Rinka 1st in the FS and Alysa 3rd.
2) the Japanese judge had Alysa 1st and Starr 2nd in the FS with Rinka 5th.
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just tuned in said:
The plot is narcissism, existential crisis, and religious ideation. Maybe IED?
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Or maybe some people are getting way too overworked over a manmade judging system which is never going to be perfect if only because we're human beings and bound to disagree. Paradoxically, it's both that deep and not that deep at all.
 
We have manmade judging and officiating systems across all sports. We might bitch and moan about them, but it's when there are built-in incentives for not following them, like the corridor and federation-controlled judges, that it's just not a matter of humans disagreeing.
 
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