Shooting in Las Vegas

Kruss said:
My BIL was backstage when the attack occurred. He is a truck driver for one of the other artists who performed earlier last night. I'm incredibly thankful that he is safe, and so profoundly sad for all those who were injured and killed.

It is wonderful how so many people helped others, including my BIL. His son called him a hero for helping six people last night; my BIL said, "Not a hero son. Just doing what I can to help. This is who we are." I'm very proud of him, and of all of them.

My sister said that of all the things that a trucker's wife worries about while their husbands are out on the road, mass shootings is not one of them. She is, understandably, shaken by this.

I feel like I'm blabbing right now, but this has come too close to home for me. It's been a surreal, sad day.
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Wow! That's really close. I am glad that your BIL is safe. He was brave to help others and he sounds very humble.
 
How could Paddock's girl friend not have known what he was up to, with that many guns in the house? May be she got scared and left the country, but shouldn't she have alerted the authorities?
 
ilovepaydays said:
What happened is too horrible for words - but I’m a bit shocked that something like this happened in Las Vegas. I keep wondering how did he get all those firearms into that hotel room and not get caught? I was always under the impression that everywhere in the Las Vegas Strip was under security and surveillance because of the amount of cash that the Nevada Gaming Commission requires casinos to keep on reserve.
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I haven't been to Vegas in several years, but when I went, there was no security for guests checking into hotels on the Strip. Walk to the front desk, check in, take your stuff up to your room. Nothing is scanned. He could have had those guns in a bunch of duffel bags.

missing said:
I've thought for a while that anti-NRA activists should find common ground with anti-abortion activists.
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A lot of anti-abortion activists are pro-death penalty and pro-gun. Basically, they're only "pro-life" if that life is a fetus. Once it's born, they don't care anymore.
 
susan6 said:
A lot of anti-abortion activists are pro-death penalty and pro-gun. Basically, they're only "pro-life" if that life is a fetus. Once it's born, they don't care anymore.
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My approach to them would go as follows (ideally made through a person mutually respected). Young children are killed by guns lacking child safety locks. A little girl going through her grandma's purse looking for candy was killed by an unprotected gun. A little boy was killed in his daddy's car when the car jolted and the gun went off. To be committed to pro life is to be committed to protecting the innocent. If vitamin pills have child safety locks, then weapons should also. This is a concept the majority of Americans believe and the power of the anti-abortion people is they will have politicians listen to them who won't listen to others.

I don't see how such an approach could hurt, and I do think it could ultimately prove helpful in getting child proof safety locks on guns passed in state legislatures.
 
WARNING: The audio clip in this article is very disturbing. Don't listen if you don't want cry. :(
The following is an interview done with Heather Gooze, who stayed with 23-year-old Jordan McIldoon while he died and then spend five hours with his body so that he wasn't alone and so she could tell his girlfriend and mother where Jordan's body was.
'I just couldn't leave him,' says Vegas bartender who held Canadian's hand as he died
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/...?autoplay=true
 
Our agency (County) has offered counseling to any employee who may be affected by this tragedy. Las Vegas is a popular weekend destination for people living in the Phoenix metro area. So far we have not heard of anyone from Phoenix impacted in a major way, but it's still early.
 
Kruss, glad your BIL is okay! I can't imagine seeing what he saw. :(

Considering, another US mass shooting probably shouldn't shock me but it does and it gets to me. It's just so pointless and preventable.
I hope everyone affected finds the strength and comfort they need to get through this horrific event.
 
ballettmaus said:
Kruss, glad your BIL is okay! I can't imagine seeing what he saw. :(

Considering, another US mass shooting probably shouldn't shock me but it does and it gets to me. It's just so pointless and preventable.
I hope everyone affected finds the strength and comfort they need to get through this horrific event.
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The sad thing is that at least some of these tragedies could have been preventable, with common sense gun laws, but politics seem to win over humanity. That is tragic.
 
skatingguy said:
WARNING: The audio clip in this article is very disturbing. Don't listen if you don't want cry. :(
The following is an interview done with Heather Gooze, who stayed with 23-year-old Jordan McIldoon while he died and then spend five hours with his body so that he wasn't alone and so she could tell his girlfriend and mother where Jordan's body was.
'I just couldn't leave him,' says Vegas bartender who held Canadian's hand as he died
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/...?autoplay=true
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That’s incredibly heartbreaking. Heather sounds like a wonderful person.
 
So far, all the powers to be are baffled by why he did it. I hope they are performing an autopsy on this guy. Maybe a brain tumor? It has happened before.
 
Yes he is a terrorist, but what was the trigger?

Charles Whitman who killed 13 people back in 1966 was found to have a brain tumor during his autopsy.

This in no way justifies his actions.

In a way, this could be even more frightening. How do you screen for that?
 
misskarne said:
He did it because he's a terrorist.

Oh whoops, forgot he was white. I guess that means he can inflict terror and suffering without being labelled a terrorist. Obviously only brown people are terrorists. :rolleyes:
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It’s just been a little over a day. We don’t know what his motivation was yet. And, BTW, we had no problem labeling Dylann Roof, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Ted Kaczynski, the KKK, etc. terrorists when it was clear that they did it for political/religious/racial motivations.
 
oleada said:
@Kruss , so glad your BIL is ok!

Some posted about gun control being a pro-life issue. A Catholic friend of mine has posted this article several times after mass shootings, which was written by a priest (Jesuit, I think) following Sandy Hook:

Gun Control is a Pro- Life Issue

Not that I agree with the pro-life movement but I can agree with the sentiment.
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This is a very good article. I don't agree with it on the abortion issue but I understand that he values life, and wants peace, not through more weapons, but by protecting both the living and the unborn.
 
missing said:
I don't see how such an approach could hurt, and I do think it could ultimately prove helpful in getting child proof safety locks on guns passed in state legislatures.
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So you want to alienate 90% of the people fighting for gun control in order to woe over a group of people who have made it clear by their actions that they are only anti-abortion because they want to control women's bodies? Good luck with that.

misskarne said:
He did it because he's a terrorist.
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He's only a terrorist if he had a political motive because that's the definition of terrorism. If he didn't, he's a mass murderer. You can be a mass murderer without being a terrorist.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
  1. the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
 
oleada said:
@Kruss , so glad your BIL is ok!

Some posted about gun control being a pro-life issue. A Catholic friend of mine has posted this article several times after mass shootings, which was written by a priest (Jesuit, I think) following Sandy Hook:

Gun Control is a Pro- Life Issue

Not that I agree with the pro-life movement but I can agree with the sentiment.
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These are such knee jerk topics. We cannot hear each other filter of the labels we ascribe.

1. I would like to think EVERYONE is pro-life. Are there people who are anti life? Take "A woman's right to choose out of it". and give it some thought.

2. Gun Control is not a Pro-Life Issue. How many cars/trucks in the last 12 months have plowed people down in the last year. Way too many by terrorists, drunks, etc.

3. A person's right to have a gun is no different than a woman's right to choose. Both issues are polarizing. If people on the right have to accept that a woman is free to abort a child for any reason, and at any time, then a person on the left needs to accept that a person has a right to own a gun.

4. Gun laws will not stop this kind of violence. It is easy to think that it would. Law abiding citizens will follow the laws, be safe with their guns, etc. Maniacs and bad guys will still get guns (you cannot make them disappear) and shoot people with them, if they are of a mind to.

5. Here is a gun law: As you can see, it has been very effective.

Efforts to create restrictions on "assault weapons" at the federal government level intensified in 1989 after 34 children and a teacher were shot and five children killed in Stockton, Calif. with a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle.[1][2][3] The Luby's shooting in October 1991, which left 23 people dead and 27 wounded, was another factor.[4] The July 1993 101 California Street shooting also contributed to passage of the ban. The shooter killed eight people and wounded six. Two of the three firearms he used were TEC-9 semi-automatic handguns with Hellfire triggers.[5] The ban tried to address public concerns about mass shootings by restricting firearms that met the criteria for what it defined as a "semiautomatic assault weapon," as well as magazines that met the criteria for what it defined as a "large capacity ammunition feeding device."[6]:1–2
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6. And, let's look at Chicago.....some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and some of the highest death related gun statistics in the country. I rest my case.

A better solution might be to make the penalty for carrying a gun without a carry permit, or using a gun in the commission of a crime HUGE. One strike and you are out!
 
AxelAnnie said:
6. And, let's look at Chicago.....some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and some of the highest death related gun statistics in the country. I rest my case.
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The gun laws in Chicago are tougher because they have a gun/violence problem. The laws are tools for police to try and clamp down on the violence. Unfortunately too many people from outside of Chicago are making too much money by selling guns in the city.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/81263667-157.html
 
Frau Muller said:
The work of Antifa types? Shooting at a bunch of white country-music lovers.
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You know, I had a lot of things to do yesterday or I would have seen this thread earlier. It's a little different when a handicap/disabled person does chores in the house. I have to use my wheelchair when I vacuum because I can't stand up and try to do it because I would fall and break my neck ... or break something.

Then I come here and see this about a bunch of white country music lovers. I'm a very mixed up person with Syrian, French, American Indian, English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish backgrounds. Why am I saying all this? Because all people are not considered "white" that love country music. I have black friends that love it, too, and don't forget about Kiss An Angel Good Morning by Charlie Pride.

Charlie Pride is a black musician that loves country music. But I shouldn't have had to mention that others beside White people like country music. I don't know. Maybe I'm mixed up about what exactly you meant?

Okay, I'm finished with this.

Signed, a mixed up person with a mixed up heritage and ancestry that loves country music.

Now then. My heartfelt prayers go to all the families and victims in Las Vegas. What a horrific tragedy this has been. <3
 
I wonder if those folks who saw the Newtown massacre of little children as faked and staged feel the same way about this one?:huh:
 
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