Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

[skategal]

She’s probably not training much because she had two broken arms (one broken on each side) right in a row.

But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[canbelto]

The amount of broken bones in Eteri's camp is probably the result of starvation. Bones become more brittle.

 

[muffinplus]

She broke her wrist/hand, not arm. I know some will say who cares what injury but for accuracy it is not the same injury at all.

 

[MarieM]

She broke her wrist/hand, not arm. I know some will say who cares what injury but for accuracy it is not the same injury at all.

But really, who cares? She's injured. Why? Why so many injured skaters there?

 

[haribobo]

Well it seems that this lazy skater hanca refers to must just be really lucky to have 2 GP medals this season in very tough fields. GMAFB.

Congrats to Alena for doing the right thing and moving on from Eteri. I hope everyone else has the courage to follow suit and put that terrible woman out of business.

 

[muffinplus]

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But really, who cares? She's injured. Why? Why so many injured skaters there?

Really who cares? A broken arm is a far more suspect injury… broken hand twice is weird as well but I have already seen claims she has osteoporosis and other bs claims because she has broken arms. but who cares let us just make up whatever right? Does not matter at all.

 

[Areski]

Well, let us all hope that Eteri got flowers this time, because I'm not sure I'm up for another session of her epic whining.

LOL. But seriously Eteri's recorded antics on social media resemble in pettiness some dramas between a plethora Polish female celebrities on instagram. And she was also caught on lying not unlike many of them.

 

[Scott512]

In theory, not yet. The transfer window was usually April/May, I don’t remember if that included also June or not. But I don’t think anyone would care at this moment. All it means is that the money for her training will continue to go to Tutberidze’s school till the end of the season; if Buyanova is happy to coach her without getting paid for her for the next few months, I don’t think anyone would be causing Kostornaya any problems for switching outside the transfer window.

It's rumored that her coaches at TT wanted this to happen. Good luck to aleona I hope she finds her amazing skill set again and can stay healthy.

Two years ago AK had the best skating skills I've ever seen on a lady then the pandemic hit and everything changed for her for the worse.

 

[Scott512]

And Danielian had injury and we haven’t seen him much for two seasons…

When Kostornaya left Tutberidze the first time, Tutberidze was complaining about Kostornaya not working hard during their summer camp. But it could have been because she wanted to leave, so she might not have been motivated to do much work.

Pluschenko was saying that Kostornaya missed a lot of training time. It was attributed to Covid, but was it really just the Covid?

Then she went back to Tutberidze and first she tried really hard (the first few months), but later something was again said that indicated that she doesn’t work that hard. (When she was thanking her coaches on instagram, they asked er to prove it with her actions and not just with words). Ok, towards the end of the season she had two injuries, but they were indicating that she didn’t do enough even before she was injured.

Now she is with Buyanova, will it be any different? It seems to me that there is a pattern.

Well let's hope the pattern stops and she can have a couple great years at cska.

As for injuries they happen in all countries and all camps in figure skating it's not a TT thing as some people are trying to make it. The best non Russian Lady skater in the world in recent years Rika and she hasn't skated since worlds of last year because of injuries.

The two physically strongest women in women's figure skating Amber Glenn and Loena Hendrikx are always hurt.

Like I've said for years figure skating is a beautiful sport and a brutal sport very brutal on the body for everybody.

 

[overedge]

As for injuries they happen in all countries and all amps in figure skating it's not a TT thing as some people are trying to make it.

Broken bones are less common than other kinds of skating injuries, like muscle pulls/tears. Why don't you look at the pattern of injuries of Eteri's skaters, rather than writing those off as "it's a tough sport".

 

[bladesofgorey]

Because this poster is always upbeat about chid abuse.

 

[Xela M]

Well, Sotnikova and Kovtun both had injuries and ended their careers early. The switch to Buyanova is interesting because her husband is Diana's father from an affair. One of those well known secrets

Omg what?! Did not know this!!!

 

[MacMadame]

I don't get the flowers tradition. Is not giving flowers to a coach the same as ghosting them?

It's not a tradition that I am aware of. It's just something Eteri said when bitching about a skater leaving her camp and not even sending flowers. It's a business arrangement when all is said and done and sometimes people end business relationships so this flowers thing is just dumb IMO.

 

[Frau Muller]

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Two years ago AK had the best skating skills I've ever seen on a lady then the pandemic hit and everything changed for her for the worse.

I’m looking forward to the next chapter of Kostornaia’s career…with beautiful musical programs. Hopefully, she’s moved beyond her fascination with Eilish. And no more funereal NY, NY.

 

[kalle]

I think Kosto still have one of the best skating skills out there and she was doing pretty well this season. She had no chance to make the Olympic team without 3 Axels and in my opinion, she tried her best to regain them.
I would have preferred if she moved to Mishin but I don't see moving to Buyanova being a bad thing either. I hope this means that she will finally put out some well choregraphed programs again.
Of course, she will not get the Eteri boost but if she manage to get into her own and consistently land her jumps, the scores should come along too.

 

[hanca]

It's not a tradition that I am aware of. It's just something Eteri said when bitching about a skater leaving her camp and not even sending flowers. It's a business arrangement when all is said and done and sometimes people end business relationships so this flowers thing is just dumb IMO.

It is custom. It is cultural. It is in my country of origin too. You bring flowers when you are ending a relationship with any teacher or coach. When I used to take violin lesson, for the last lesson when I decided to end that I had to bring flowers. It is something like unwritten rule - everyone who lives in the country knows that this is what is expected. Similarly, children bring flowers to their teacher (head of the year) every year on the last school day before the summer holiday. You don’t have to, but if you don’t, you will be the only one who didn’t!

 

[Trillian]

The switch to Buyanova is interesting because her husband is Diana's father from an affair. One of those well known secrets

I thought we already knew all the good gossip about the 80s/90s Russian skaters, but they really are a gift that keeps on giving.

 

[rfisher]

I know people like to blame Tutberidze for everything, but the rumors of Kostornia's work ethic go all the way back to her junior years before she even went to Tutberidze's group. She's way too much of a diva for Mishin to consider, plus he's in StP and not Moscow where her family lives.

 

[muffinplus]

I know people like to blame Tutberidze for everything, but the rumors of Kostornia's work ethic go all the way back to her junior years before she even went to Tutberidze's group.

What is that about?

 

[rfisher]

What is that about?

She has a rep of not working up to her level of natural talent. I've no idea how she'll work out with Buyonova who I thought was semi-retired. Hopefully we'll get to find out some day.

 

[muffinplus]

She has a rep of not working up to her level of natural talent. I've no idea how she'll work out with Buyonova who I thought was semi-retired. Hopefully we'll get to find out some day.

OK but what rep? Is there an interview with a former coach or something... where are you getting that from? You said it went back to junior years before Tutberidze, and I'm just wondering where that came from

 

[Wyliefan]

I know people like to blame Tutberidze for everything

Tell us, when are you going to start blaming her for literal child abuse? Or are you just going to keep justifying it and defending it forever?

 

[Nadya]

Oh no that's it Scott. I can't keep it in. It's been knawing at me. 5% of the time you say something with merit, which is why I skim thru what you say, but HOW DARE YOU COMPARE WHAT RUS IS DOING to what the USA & NATO did against Iraq. I dont know what screwed up history they teach in history but if you have access to FSU you have access to Google USE IT AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES...The most import part here is that the retaliation was NOT AGAINST MUSLIMS but very specific people hidden in mountins. For most US troops it was a rescue mission to SAVE Afghans and IRQ from their Putin named Sadam Hussain.

The US going to Iraq and Afghanistan to "rescue the locals" is propaganda much worse than "Putin is going to de-nazify Ukraine". The body count speaks for itself.

Unless, of course, you only count white body count.

 

[rfisher]

OK but what rep? Is there an interview with a former coach or something... where are you getting that from? You said it went back to junior years before Tutberidze, and I'm just wondering where that came from

skating gossip going back years.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The gossip was that she wasn't intrinsicly motivated to train and needed to be in the right mindset/mood to put in hard work, which sounds a bit Ilinykh-like, although she didn't have a partner to deal with. Nevertheless, it got her very far, and would have been fine in plenty of other countries, but it's not the right medium-term, let alone long-term, strategy in that rink, and TBD is whether it will work against internal competition going forward. When that starts to matter again internationally.

 

[Bigbird]

I interpret lazy to mean she's not on the verge of breaking every bone in her body and not thin enough like Anna Sherbacova or others. As for Ilinykh it meant most likely she wasn't prepared to do whatever it takes to be as thin as say Sinitsina, even though it wasn't her genetic predisposition and she wasn't willing to train through pain with a dislocated shoulder as Sinitsina and Katsalapov did, with aching back and sore knees. And a slew of a whole other complications. I honestly wished that these athletes knew their worth. They have it within them to choose another country, try a different coach or walk away with her dignity. Kostornaia has broken both her arms in recent history, something is just not right and it is not only the athlete. One straight jacket doesn't fit all.

 

[hanca]

I interpret lazy to mean she's not on the verge of breaking every bone in her body and not thin enough like Anna Sherbacova or others. As for Ilinykh it meant most likely she wasn't prepared to do whatever it takes to be as thin as say Sinitsina, even though it wasn't her genetic predisposition and she wasn't willing to train through pain with a dislocated shoulder as Sinitsina and Katsalapov did, with aching back and sore knees. And a slew of a whole other complications. I honestly wished that these athletes knew their worth. They have it within them to choose another country, try a different coach or walk away with her dignity. Kostornaia has broken both her arms in recent history, something is just not right and it is not only the athlete. One straight jacket doesn't fit all.

Do you think that skaters who skate with injuries do that because they don’t know their worth? I think it is their own choice, they are not forced into it. They do it because they feel very strongly that they want to win. From the same reason Virtue competed even though she had pains in her shins, and Sui/Han competed often injured, and Hanyu competed with concussion… it is not coaches making them to do that, it is the athletes insisting that they want to do it.

If Ilynikh wasn’t prepared to do that, it is her choice, but it may be why she isn’t world champion and Sinitsina is. There is not right and wrong in that. Ilynikh decided what is worth it and what isn’t…and Sinitsina made also decision what is and isn’t worth it and decided differently. Virtue also decided that it was worth it skating in pain; without that, she would not achieve what she did.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Kostornaya switched to Buyanova

She is my favorite overall Russian skater. I love her spunk and demeanor. I would rather see her fall than watch most of the other skaters skate clean (except maybe Trusova)

I wonder what is going to happen to it all? I read somewhere taht

I see an adult badmouthing a teenager.

HUH?

 

[AxelAnnie]

I interpret lazy to mean she's not on the verge of breaking every bone in her body and not thin enough like Anna Sherbacova or others. As for Ilinykh it meant most likely she wasn't prepared to do whatever it takes to be as thin as say Sinitsina, even though it wasn't her genetic predisposition and she wasn't willing to train through pain with a dislocated shoulder as Sinitsina and Katsalapov did, with aching back and sore knees. And a slew of a whole other complications. I honestly wished that these athletes knew their worth. They have it within them to choose another country, try a different coach or walk away with her dignity. Kostornaia has broken both her arms in recent history, something is just not right and it is not only the athlete. One straight jacket doesn't fit all.

Lazy? I can't imagine that any of these skaters are lazy. These kids work their hearts out. There is a correlation between work and results, but there is this line, if you cross it, you are going to get hurt.

The brilliance of a coach is to know their skaters well enough to know when to push and when to hold back. I think Callahan and Tara had a symbiotic relationship that really worked for Tara. Whatever is going on with Nathan and Raf works. The Coach has to know his student well enough to know where to push, and where to hang back.

I know for myself, as a dancer (ballet - oh was I younger) sometimes a guest teacher would say something slightly differently, and it just went into my brain..........and guess what success.
Same with riding. My trainer can say sit up, sit up, sit up, and then a trainer who comes in to do teach while the trainer is at a horse show will say let leg back, instead of...I don't know....watch your thighs, and Whoa........a whole new world.

 

[Bigbird]

Do you think that skaters who skate with injuries do that because they don’t know their worth? I think it is their own choice, they are not forced into it. They do it because they feel very strongly that they want to win. From the same reason Virtue competed even though she had pains in her shins, and Sui/Han competed often injured, and Hanyu competed with concussion… it is not coaches making them to do that, it is the athletes insisting that they want to do it.

If Ilynikh wasn’t prepared to do that, it is her choice, but it may be why she isn’t world champion and Sinitsina is. There is not right and wrong in that. Ilynikh decided what is worth it and what isn’t…and Sinitsina made also decision what is and isn’t worth it and decided differently. Virtue also decided that it was worth it skating in pain; without that, she would not achieve what she did.

Do you think that skaters who skate with injuries do that because they don’t know their worth? I think it is their own choice, they are not forced into it. They do it because they feel very strongly that they want to win. From the same reason Virtue competed even though she had pains in her shins, and Sui/Han competed often injured, and Hanyu competed with concussion… it is not coaches making them to do that, it is the athletes insisting that they want to do it.

If Ilynikh wasn’t prepared to do that, it is her choice, but it may be why she isn’t world champion and Sinitsina is. There is not right and wrong in that. Ilynikh decided what is worth it and what isn’t…and Sinitsina made also decision what is and isn’t worth it and decided differently. Virtue also decided that it was worth it skating in pain; without that, she would not achieve what she did.

I don't think I explained myself clearly.

I believe the name calling, especially in the press is just another form of gaslighting and borderline abuse. So yes SinKats have their medals, as do V/M but looking at Shabalin in 2010 was horrific. Some of these athletes have some medals but some have have also gained a lifetime of knee and back treatments. What looks like heroism to some looks like desperation to others.

Based on the comments coming from Zhulin the heroism from SinKats did give them their mysteriously high marks at times. I just wistfully hoped that a different culture existed or at least a parallel universe.