Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

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After the FS my take, you can never take out considering mental toughness
how many times have we crossed out Scherbakova ?

I will take Kostornaia, Scherbakova

then either Valieva or Trusova

Trusova has questionable ability when it matters, sure she landed 5 quads here, its a TEST skate people, like a practice. lol,

Valieva is almost a lock but we see here sometimes meltdown happens
and she is an untested senior, she might crumble in Olympics.
 
What a way to close the night. It started with the snoosy dancers and ended with amazing performances. All the best to the girls. They set trends, they do not follow them.
 
Please a team of Sasha Liza and Anna. Those three are so inspiring with their work ethic. I hope they can all make it happen for themselves. All of the Russian women are great but these three have so much grit and resilience.
 
yeslek said:
Please a team of Sasha Liza and Anna. Those three are so inspiring with their work ethic. I hope they can all make it happen for themselves. All of the Russian women are great but these three have so much grit and resilience.
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people crossing out Sherbakova but after the FS, they silenced again
Scherbakova is what I call a resilient skater, Kostornaia also runs circles in Trusovas mental ability.
 
It’s really hard to say what the makeup of this Olympic team is going to be. I think the Grand Prix Final will be very telling. It would be extremely surprising not to see 6 Russian women there. It will be the best preview of Russian Nationals and Olympics.
 
museksk8r said:
It’s really hard to say what the makeup of this Olympic team is going to be. I think the Grand Prix Final will be very telling. It would be extremely surprising not to see 6 Russian women there. It will be the best preview of Russian Nationals and Olympics.
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true after the SP
I had Trusova, La Tuk and Valieva

then after the FS, I turned to
Trusova, Kostornaia, Scherbakova
 
My rankings here:

SP: 1. Valieva; 2. Tuktamysheva; 3. Kostornaia
FS: 1. Trusova; 2. Kostornaia; 3. Shcherbakova

My team after this event: Kostornaia, Trusova, Shcherbakova or Valieva

Interesting that Anna did not attempt ultra c elements here, but I know she is coming back from an injury. She has historically been known for her mental fortitude in competition. We’ll see what happens. . . .
 
Is it me or did Eteri's school breakdown and hire real choreographers for this season? I did not see the usual Glaunkengaus schlock. No one had any miming or voice overs in their programs. The programs this season look beautiful. I am very impressed!
 
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Jeebus. Trusova is on a mission to make the world her bitch! She could compete w. Nathan Chen!

But more seriously and coming down to earth, I felt her LP was just jumps: It was more of an X Games program than an FS program. If you wanted to compare her to Nathan (LOL) or even someone like Kostornaya, Valieva or Shcherbakova, she is lacking a bit on almost every other component, and it hurts me to say that because it does take away from what she did at the RUS Test Skate ... But it still needs to be said.
 
olympic said:
Jeebus. Trusova is on a mission to make the world her bitch! She could compete w. Nathan Chen!

But more seriously and coming down to earth, I felt her LP was just jumps: It was more of an X Games program than an FS program. If you wanted to compare her to Nathan (LOL) or even someone like Kostornaya, Valieva or Shcherbakova, she is lacking a bit on almost every other component, and it hurts me to say that because it does take away from what she did at the RUS Test Skate ... But it still needs to be said.
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I have never seen a skater ignore their music more than her, except for perhaps Jin Boyang.
 
olympic said:
Jeebus. Trusova is on a mission to make the world her bitch! She could compete w. Nathan Chen!

But more seriously and coming down to earth, I felt her LP was just jumps: It was more of an X Games program than an FS program. If you wanted to compare her to Nathan (LOL) or even someone like Kostornaya, Valieva or Shcherbakova, she is lacking a bit on almost every other component, and it hurts me to say that because it does take away from what she did at the RUS Test Skate ... But it still needs to be said.
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I'll say it: Nathan barely emote for the first 2/3s of his LPs, no different than Sasha does. In fact, even Yuzu isn't much better. All she needs to do is polish up the step sequence and really sell it like Nate does.

Five quads are exhausting and take 100% of a skater's focus. None of them are immune to this. The trick is getting a program that hides it well.
 
olympic said:
Jeebus. Trusova is on a mission to make the world her bitch! She could compete w. Nathan Chen!

But more seriously and coming down to earth, I felt her LP was just jumps: It was more of an X Games program than an FS program. If you wanted to compare her to Nathan (LOL) or even someone like Kostornaya, Valieva or Shcherbakova, she is lacking a bit on almost every other component, and it hurts me to say that because it does take away from what she did at the RUS Test Skate ... But it still needs to be said.
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wickedwitch said:
I'll say it: Nathan barely emote for the first 2/3s of his LPs, no different than Sasha does. In fact, even Yuzu isn't much better. All she needs to do is polish up the step sequence and really sell it like Nate does.

Five quads are exhausting and take 100% of a skater's focus. None of them are immune to this. The trick is getting a program that hides it well.
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ITA. Neither sell their program until the step sequence and by then there's so many points on the board, nobody cares.
 
museksk8r said:
It’s really hard to say what the makeup of this Olympic team is going to be. I think the Grand Prix Final will be very telling. It would be extremely surprising not to see 6 Russian women there. It will be the best preview of Russian Nationals and Olympics.
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There are not going to be 6 Russian women in the GPF, unless you count the females in the pairs and dance teams.

SkAm - Trusova is the only Russian woman likely to medal. Sinitsyna or Usacheva would have to have an awfully good day to beat Sakamoto or You for a medal, and who knows what sort of shape Tennell is in by then.

SkCan - None of the 3 Russian women there are going to win with free skates like they gave us today, and only one is likely to medal with Kihira, Liu, Lee, Higuchi and Chen also there. Don't ask me which of La Tuk or Valieva medals but for the other two, being off the podium, quite possibly as far down as 5th or even 7th in this packed field, is going to end their GPF hopes.

Torino GP - Shcher is the only Russian woman getting on the podium here. Samo definitely not. Khromykh - well, maybe she could wind up on the podium but I can easily see her beaten by the likes of Hendrickx, Mihara, Kim, Lim, and Tennell. Or not. Either way, even if she did medal, she'll need the silver here since she's only got one GP assignment and RusFed would have to give her the RC TBA spot to give her a shot at another medal and the GPF.

NHK - Trusova is the only Russian medaling in this field. No way does Usacheva beat Kihira, Sakamoto, You and Liu. A 2nd & 6th doesn't get you to the GP.

IdF - Shcher wins and the rest of the field is wide open but what I just said about Usacheva at NHK applies to Kostornaia and Sinitsyna here in reverse. They're going to have trouble at SkCan and SkAm finishing high enough to not bury their chances at the GPF before they get to IdF with its much more open field, but they're still going up against Higuchi, Lee and Chen here so there's no reason, based on today, to believe that more than one Russian woman will be on the podium.

RC - Even if Khromykh gets the TBA spot here (which she won't unless she medals in Torino), she finishes, at best, third against Valieva and La Tuk. And I'm already doubtful she can beat Hendrickx in Torino, plus Japan has their latest wunderkind, Matsuike, assigned to RC.

As of today, I think it is safe to say three Russian women (Shcher, Trusova, and one of La Tuk or Valieva) are likely in the GPF, possibly a 4th depending on the SkCan and NHK results. But there won't be six. Just not happening.
 
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Karen-W said:
There are not going to be 6 Russian women in the GPF, unless you count the females in the pairs and dance teams.

SkAm - Trusova is the only Russian woman likely to medal. Sinitsyna or Usacheva would have to have an awfully good day to beat Sakamoto or You for a medal, and who knows what sort of shape Tennell is in by then.

SkCan - None of the 3 Russian women there are going to win with free skates like they gave us today, and only one is likely to medal with Kihira, Liu, Lee, Higuchi and Chen also there. Don't ask me which of La Tuk or Valieva medals but for the other two, being off the podium, quite possibly as far down as 5th or even 7th in this packed field, is going to end their GPF hopes.

Torino GP - Shcher is the only Russian woman getting on the podium here. Samo definitely not. Khromykh - well, maybe she could wind up on the podium but I can easily see her beaten by the likes of Hendrickx, Mihara, Kim, Lim, and Tennell. Or not. Either way, even if she did medal, she'll need the silver here since she's only got one GP assignment and RusFed would have to give her the RC TBA spot to give her a shot at another medal and the GPF.

NHK - Trusova is the only Russian medaling in this field. No way does Usacheva beat Kihira, Sakamoto, You and Liu. A 2nd & 6th doesn't get you to the GP.

IdF - Shcher wins and the rest of the field is wide open but what I just said about Usacheva at NHK applies to Kostornaia and Sinitsyna here in reverse. They're going to have trouble at SkCan and SkAm finishing high enough to not bury their chances at the GPF before they get to IdF with its much more open field, but they're still going up against Higuchi, Lee and Chen here so there's no reason, based on today, to believe that more than one Russian woman will be on the podium.

RC - Even if Khromykh gets the TBA spot here (which she won't unless she medals in Torino), she finishes, at best, third against Valieva and La Tuk. And I'm already doubtful she can beat Hendricks in Torino, plus Japan has their latest wunderkind, Matsuike, assigned to RC.

As of today, I think it is safe to say three Russian women (Shcher, Trusova, and one of La Tuk or Valieva) are likely in the GPF, possibly a 4th depending on the SkCan and NHK results. But there won't be six. Just not happening.
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Kostornaia is showing promise that her comeback is on the right track and her 3Axel is showing more stability. I’m not ready to write her off yet.
 
Karen-W said:
There are not going to be 6 Russian women in the GPF, unless you count the females in the pairs and dance teams.

SkAm - Trusova is the only Russian woman likely to medal. Sinitsyna or Usacheva would have to have an awfully good day to beat Sakamoto or You for a medal, and who knows what sort of shape Tennell is in by then.

SkCan - None of the 3 Russian women there are going to win with free skates like they gave us today, and only one is likely to medal with Kihira, Liu, Lee, Higuchi and Chen also there. Don't ask me which of La Tuk or Valieva medals but for the other two, being off the podium, quite possibly as far down as 5th or even 7th in this packed field, is going to end their GPF hopes.

Torino GP - Shcher is the only Russian woman getting on the podium here. Samo definitely not. Khromykh - well, maybe she could wind up on the podium but I can easily see her beaten by the likes of Hendrickx, Mihara, Kim, Lim, and Tennell. Or not. Either way, even if she did medal, she'll need the silver here since she's only got one GP assignment and RusFed would have to give her the RC TBA spot to give her a shot at another medal and the GPF.

NHK - Trusova is the only Russian medaling in this field. No way does Usacheva beat Kihira, Sakamoto, You and Liu. A 2nd & 6th doesn't get you to the GP.

IdF - Shcher wins and the rest of the field is wide open but what I just said about Usacheva at NHK applies to Kostornaia and Sinitsyna here in reverse. They're going to have trouble at SkCan and SkAm finishing high enough to not bury their chances at the GPF before they get to IdF with its much more open field, but they're still going up against Higuchi, Lee and Chen here so there's no reason, based on today, to believe that more than one Russian woman will be on the podium.

RC - Even if Khromykh gets the TBA spot here (which she won't unless she medals in Torino), she finishes, at best, third against Valieva and La Tuk. And I'm already doubtful she can beat Hendricks in Torino, plus Japan has their latest wunderkind, Matsuike, assigned to RC.

As of today, I think it is safe to say three Russian women (Shcher, Trusova, and one of La Tuk or Valieva) are likely in the GPF, possibly a 4th depending on the SkCan and NHK results. But there won't be six. Just not happening.
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I agree that it's unlikely that all 6 will make GPF but I think your logic here is ignoring many factors. We are in the middle of September and the only skater aside from the Russians we actually saw do well is Liu and while she's very much on track her scoring at Lombardia was generous. Tennell is rumored to be injured and struggled last season, Kihira is just now switching coaches and isn't the most consistent skater even on her best days, Higuchi underperformed in the latest Japanese events, and You underperformed at Cranberry Cup. The ladies' field is the toughest it's ever been imo and I wouldn't write any of the ladies off, but even if today was an off day for the Russian ladies when they are on they will take most of the rest of the field.
 
wickedwitch said:
I'll say it: Nathan barely emote for the first 2/3s of his LPs, no different than Sasha does. In fact, even Yuzu isn't much better. All she needs to do is polish up the step sequence and really sell it like Nate does.

Five quads are exhausting and take 100% of a skater's focus. None of them are immune to this. The trick is getting a program that hides it well.
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Agreed. While I’m not the biggest fan of Trusova, male skaters get away with doing empty choreography and a bunch of jumps as well so I can’t really fault Trusova for it.
 
museksk8r said:
I can see the Final shaping up to be 6 of Valieva, Shcherbakova, Trusova, Kostornaia, Tuktamysheva, Sakamoto or Liu.
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the only Valieva not medaling is if they dont compete in Skate Canada.

They should do what Trusova is doing early in US, stay in Canada early so any quarantine shouldn't be much of a trouble.
 
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