Russian figure skating news in 2023

Ka3sha

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She had been pretty honest about the obvious lack of motivation, and had admitted during the test skates that she is not gonna promise anything to the fans (regarding taking part in competitions this season)


And the short program she skated there is literally one of her most depressing programs ever (even if I really liked it) about suicide and “leaving after him”
 

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Top three pairs at the 2nd Russian GP were brilliant today even with a fluke fall on the landing from Artemieva on their 4 twist. Mish/Gal were on fire. Trankov said Sasha skated like a footballer yesterday (he totally missed the takeoff on the SBS 3S), but a pair skater today.

Kosto/Kunitsa did OK--better than OK for a new team, but she's under the impression they should be scored higher just because. The :drama: is still there. :lol:
 

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Poking my head in here with a random question -

In the 4 disciplines, who are the top Russian competitors that are sorely missed on the ISU circuit ->GP, Euros and Worlds??

I get that pairs is really suffering as are the women, but are there any men or Ice Dancers that would be medal threats who are not competing. Men have been a lesser threat recently, But I am watching SkAm and am trying to put the comp. in context with whom I may not be seeing ...

I tried to see Russian test skate results from last month but couldn't find anything online.

Thanks for any input
 

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Poking my head in here with a random question -

In the 4 disciplines, who are the top Russian competitors that are sorely missed on the ISU circuit ->GP, Euros and Worlds??

I get that pairs is really suffering as are the women, but are there any men or Ice Dancers that would be medal threats who are not competing. Men have been a lesser threat recently, But I am watching SkAm and am trying to put the comp. in context with whom I may not be seeing ...
Semenenko (he has pretty much the same quads as Ilia except for the 4A and he has an excellent 4 loop that earned him over 4 GOE points at his first event) and Gumennik most days. Aliev some days. Kondratyuk it depends. Lutfullin has the goods, but still has issues with the quads--he has exquisite posture however. Kovalev and Mozelev are on level with most of the skaters on the circuit apart from Malinin and maybe the Japanese elites and Cha (Shoma and Kagyama). All have the ability, but it would just depend on the day. Dance is a bit of a mess right now and it remains to be seen who will emerge on top of the heap. The women (even without Valieva but she's skating well at the internal comps) and pairs would still win and could sweep Europeans and Worlds (especially the pair skaters) if all skated well, a man would likely be on the podium--where would just depend on what Amyoz and Deniss managed to do (most of the Russian top men have more than one quad). Dance: no idea.
 
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Semenenko (he has pretty much the same quads as Ilia except for the 4A and he has an excellent 4 loop that earned him over 4 GOE points at his first event) and Gumennik most days. Aliev some days. Kondratyuk it depends. Lutfullin has the goods, but still has issues with the quads--he has exquisite posture however. Kovalev and Mozelev are on level with most of the skaters on the circuit apart from Malinin and maybe the Japanese elites and Cha (Shoma and Kagyama). All have the ability, but it would just depend on the day. Dance is a bit of a mess right now and it remains to be seen who will emerge on top of the heap. The women (even without Valieva but she's skating well at the internal comps) and pairs would still win and could sweep Europeans and Worlds (especially the pair skaters) if all skated well, a man would likely be on the podium--where would just depend on what Amyoz and Deniss managed to do (most of the Russian top men have more than one quad). Dance: no idea.
I appreciate the deep response. Thanks

ETA w/ Quick Q - Do you think Ilia, the elite JPN skaters, and Cha would block a Russian man from a world's podium?
 
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I appreciate the deep response. Thanks

ETA w/ Quick Q - Do you think Ilia, the elite JPN skaters, and Cha would block a Russian man from a world's podium?
Sure, if they all skated clean. The JPN skaters, especially Shoma, would earn higher PCS points. If Semenenko did an absolutely clean program with 4 quads, his TES might overcome the PCS advantage, but it would really depend on the JPN skaters being clean as well. Same for Cha. I prefer Lutfullin to Semenenko, but Gleb just isn't there technically. Semenenko vs Malinin would come down to clean skates. It would be a TES battle. If Malinin did a successful 4A, he wins. Actually, I think Malinin would win over Semenenko in most skates because Evgeny sometimes comes to a dead stop on the quad combos and Ilia's technique is better.
 
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Sure, if they all skated clean. The JPN skaters, especially Shoma, would earn higher PCS points. If Semenenko did an absolutely clean program with 4 quads, his TES might overcome the PCS advantage, but it would really depend on the JPN skaters being clean as well. Same for Cha. I prefer Lutfullin to Semenenko, but Gleb just isn't there technically. Semenenko vs Malinin would come down to clean skates. It would be a TES battle. If Malinin did a successful 4A, he wins. Actually, I think Malinin would win over Semenenko in most skates because Evgeny sometimes comes to a dead stop on the quad combos and Ilia's technique is better.
Thanks again. Won't derail any further :)
 

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Has Eteri said why she was at SkAm rather than at the Russian GP? Russia likes to tout that their GP is better but then why is the top women’s coach not there? Inquiring minds would like to know. :shuffle:
 
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Has Eteri said why she was at SkAm rather than at the Russian GP? Russia likes to tout that their GP is better but then why is the top women’s coach not there? Inquiring minds would like to know. :shuffle:
Maybe Nika works more closely with her than the rest of her team? Maybe she just wanted to send posters on the internet into a tizzy by her mere presence? ;)
 

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Machine translated excerpt from RIA Novosti's Vlad Zhukov's article: https://rsport.ria.ru/20231022/gran-pri-1904532784.html
Tutberidze and Egadze, and not Petrosyan?
After such a denouement for men, the competition in women's singles no longer looked so attractive. The stands, by the way, were in total solidarity with this - before the release of the strongest warm-up there were no noticeably more spectators in the arena, and this already says something. And so what if even the best Russian coach of our time, Eteri Tutberidze, prefers not to watch the most promising student Adelia Petrosyan, but follows the Georgian Nika Egadze at the Grand Prix stage in the USA - a great guy, but still not the top singles skater in the world right now . After this, talk about the indestructible superiority of our competitions over the rest of the sinful world becomes somewhat untenable, even if partially true.
 

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Has Eteri said why she was at SkAm rather than at the Russian GP? Russia likes to tout that their GP is better but then why is the top women’s coach not there? Inquiring minds would like to know. :shuffle:
Dudakov was with Petrosyn at the GP event. He's the jump specialist and she's doing both quads (FS) and a 3A (SP). Plus this one was in Siberia. It's warmer in TX.

This was an easy win for Adelia as the only real competition was Gorbacheva who is really promising but doesn't have the ultra-C jumps yet. All the heavy hitters are scheduled for later events. This one was all about the pair teams.
 
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Rukia

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If you had the chance to go to a Russian event or an ISU event, which would you pick? Plus Eteri used to coach in Texas anyway (albeit in San Antonio which is a distance away), but it might have been interesting for her to come back.
 

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If you had the chance to go to a Russian event or an ISU event, which would you pick? Plus Eteri used to coach in Texas anyway (albeit in San Antonio which is a distance away), but it might have been interesting for her to come back.
I'd forgotten she was based in Texas.

All ethical considerations put aside, I'd like to be at one of each to see and compare for myself. I mean I've been at ISU events before so I know what to expect. The Zhukov article leads me to think the Russian GP events are exactly as mocked elsewhere, a bombastic cover that fools no-one, not even the Russian audience...
 

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Has Eteri said why she was at SkAm rather than at the Russian GP? Russia likes to tout that their GP is better but then why is the top women’s coach not there? Inquiring minds would like to know. :shuffle:

I guessed it was easier for her to get a visa to the US with her Georgian passport than it was for Dudakov/Gleikhengauz to get one as Russians.

I thought this might also have been the reason Litvintsev came without his Russian coaches.
 

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Don't forget where her daughter lives and trains. Surely she won't miss a chance to see her / do some behind the scenes politicking
Speaking as a mom of a grown daughter, when I was living overseas I would have chosen a trip to the US over almost every location (maybe not the Maldives.) she’s awful in a lot of ways but there’s no reason to think she’s not an attached mom.
 

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Oooh and I've just realised I totally missed the point of @Rukia 's post 😆
Could have been worse, work has been exhausting and I can remember being even more disconnected/incoherent that this!
 

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Oooh and I've just realised I totally missed the point of @Rukia 's post 😆
Could have been worse, work has been exhausting and I can remember being even more disconnected/incoherent that this!
lol no worries I think we got there in the end anyway
 

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Poking my head in here with a random question -

In the 4 disciplines, who are the top Russian competitors that are sorely missed on the ISU circuit ->GP, Euros and Worlds??

I get that pairs is really suffering as are the women, but are there any men or Ice Dancers that would be medal threats who are not competing. Men have been a lesser threat recently, But I am watching SkAm and am trying to put the comp. in context with whom I may not be seeing ...

I tried to see Russian test skate results from last month but couldn't find anything online.

Thanks for any input
lol no they’re not

Also the idea Semenenko would be up there with Uno when clean is very questionable, as is the idea of a Russian man going clean at a major international competition in the first place. Adam SHF has monster tech content when he’s clean and better components than Semenenko and he’s not even considered one of the big guns in international competition (though perhaps he should be). Gumennik is the one Russian man who would do well with international judges if the war wasn’t happening IMO because he’s relatively consistent and has attractive qualities besides jumps, but none of them would be a regular medal contender.
 
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Poking my head in here with a random question -

In the 4 disciplines, who are the top Russian competitors that are sorely missed on the ISU circuit ->GP, Euros and Worlds??

I get that pairs is really suffering as are the women, but are there any men or Ice Dancers that would be medal threats who are not competing. Men have been a lesser threat recently, But I am watching SkAm and am trying to put the comp. in context with whom I may not be seeing ...

I tried to see Russian test skate results from last month but couldn't find anything online.

Thanks for any input
If you mean current skaters who skated in the test skates (I didn't see, just read about them)

Pairs- At least the top 5 are world and GP medal worthy. Obviously MG and BK but their pairs field is very deep, as usual. I am not counting TM because they did not participate. Kostornaia and her pairs partner are pretty good. Also Kadyrova (*sp?) Kolesov are pretty good. Artemieva a and her partner are good.

Women - Petrosyan, Frolova, and the next three. I don't like any of the three Sofias but one of them (Akatieva) is definitely a medal threat. From what I read, Liza Tuk is training, so she could medal if she competes. Also Maia Khromykh. Zhillina and Zhinina (sp? for both) used to be good. I don't know if they still are.

Men- I really like Petr Gumennik, but I am not sure he can medal at worlds. May be at a GP, depending on the field. May be Semenenjoy, Samarin, Aliev in a GP. Not at worlds. Rest of the men (including Mark K) have been hit or miss, depending on their good/bad days. I will need to see the recent skates.

Ice dance - I think Stepanova Bukin are still eligible. Khudabierdieva Bagin should do well. For others I have to do some research. Haven't watched ice dance in a long time.
 
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FWIW both Akatieva and Zhilina won’t be old enough for senior events until the Olympic season, so we can’t include them in the list if those who would be “missed” on the GP, Worlds, euros, etc.
 

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Near disaster for Annabelle Morozov during the warmup. Shanaeva/Drozd were skating past in the opposite direction and her blade cut Annabelle just above her boot. She didn't even stop to see if she was OK. They patched her up, but she was not OK and made a lot of little uncharacteristic mistakes in the RD. She was in tears in the KnC. To make it worse, S/D are ahead of them by 3 points.

Stepanova/Bukin must skate to music from the Barbie movie before they retire. They would be the perfect Barbie and Ken.

Anna Frolova is having quite the come back year. I've always liked her and her skating now is just lovely, mature and finished. Very sophisticated.
 
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Rostelecom Russian Grand Prix - Krasnoyarsk​

Men, MS​

Result​

FPl.NameNationPointsKPPP
1​
Dmitry ALIEV
St. Petersburg-Komi Republic, SShOR "AFK"
S/K​
260.07​
1​
3​
2​
Alexander SAMARIN
Moscow, SSHOR im. S.A. Beetle
MOS​
256.99​
2​
2​
3​
Peter GUMENNIK
St. Petersburg, SC FC Tamara Moskvina
St. Petersburg​
242.77​
5​
1​
 

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