Royalty Thread #8.....A Pregnant Pause

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Jenny said:
I'm assuming they announced labour after the actual birth because they said they were going to, but then it happened overnight so likely didn't have all their social media team online and ready to go
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Meghan is said to have gone into labor in the 'early morning hours' of May 6, British time. The baby was born at 5:26am British time. I doubt they had any intention of hurrying to make an announcement to the media. It was afternoon in Britain when the labor announcement was made, and then nearly an hour later, the gender of the baby was released, and a short time later Harry appeared outside the horse stalls at Windsor to share his feelings with a few reporters.

Jenny said:
today is also George Clooney's birthday
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Meghan and Amal will surely have a good laugh about that! But the baby won't be called George, although it could possibly be one of the given names, but I doubt it. ;)
 
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Adding my Congratulations to Harry and Meghan. I found this article from Time Magazine.

Here Are the Most Likely Names According to the Oddsmakers

This also includes a video of Harry talking about the baby. He is so happy and excited in this video. If this has already been posted, my apologies because I haven't had time to check. I just love the video.
 
^^ Yes, the video is posted earlier and has been making the rounds among all media outlets. :) Harry looks exceedingly happy. By that point, he'd had the pleasure of spending hours bonding with his new son and enjoying the delightful experience with Doria and Meghan. Reporters suspect that the Sussexes were able to experience the birth at home, since there's been no evidence they left the confines of Frogmore Cottage. But details of the birth have not been confirmed and may never be. Although if we get to see the birth certificate, the place of birth should be documented there:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-06/meghan-thought-to-have-revived-royal-home-birth-tradition/

It's truly nice seeing Harry so happy after all he's been through early in his life, losing his mother, experiencing unresolved grief and losing his way a bit until he settled down and matured in the military and in Botswana. He worked diligently for the charity he founded with Prince Seeiso, named in honor of both their mothers: Sentebale (Forget-me-not). Then he turned his mistake in Las Vegas into something positive by seeking mental health counseling. Repairing his image in the U.S., he later met the Obamas. Witnessing the Warrior Games in the U.S., and seeing Michelle Obama's work with military families, combined with his own deeply felt experiences as a soldier, inspired Harry to create the Invictus Games.

Harry & Meghan meeting, marrying and having a baby is not only a great love story, it's also a story of redemption. I think they are both inspiring individuals, quite human and not immortal dieties obviously ;) but just two young people who learned from their mistakes and disappointments in life, who kept trying, and were greatly inspired to give back to others. Eventually, they were blessed to find each other at the right time in both their lives.
 
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Thank you for sharing @aftershocks. It's appreciated. I haven't particularly posted in this thread until now, but I've kept up with Harry and Meghan from the beginning, and their wedding was absolutely fabulous! I also had the opportunity to watch William and Kate's wedding when I was in ICU in 2011.

Their lives have always fascinated me. The whole royal family has always fascinated me in the most delightful way. I have ancestors from Drayton in the county of Berkshire England from the mid 1500's where Windsor Castle is located. It gives me much pride to know that I have ancestors that were associated with Berkshire.

Again, thank you for posting about some of the history of the very recent past. :)
 
That's so lovely @Simone411! I think it's a fascinating and rewarding experience to discover as much about one's ancestors and family history as possible. It provides important connections that can be revealing and strengthening. I too have always enjoyed reading about British history, monarchy, and historical romances set in Britain. The relationship between Meghan and Harry is a modern romance for our times.

I watched William/Kate's wedding in 2011, but I hadn't followed their romance as much because they met in college where William was fortunately allowed more privacy. Reports would occasionally surface in the U.S., but we didn't hear a lot until after they graduated from St. Andrews. Since they were so young, they went through a number of ups-and-downs before William eventually popped the question in 2010.

Although I didn't follow the brothers much during their twenties, since William's marriage I've read about William and Harry every so often. I read a biography about them awhile ago, and I've seen interviews as well as interesting documentaries on their lives as young men in their twenties. I truly became hooked after hearing about Meghan's & Harry's courtship the day after the U.S. presidential election in November 2016. It was something much more pleasant to contemplate. ;)

Harry at 30, and Prince Harry in Africa are a couple of good documentaries, along with Prince William at 30; Prince William & Prince Harry: Prisoners of Celebrity; Diana, Our Mother: Her Life and Legacy; Prince William & Prince Harry: Into the Future; and Prince William: A Royal Life. All of these are available on Youtube. There are a ton of documentaries about Diana on Youtube as well, along with cheesy fictional dramas and endless features and documentaries about Willliam & Kate and Harry & Meghan. And if you haven't already, you should check out this poignant and revealing documentary on Prince William of Gloucester (the current William's namesake). It's also on Youtube, entitled: The Other Prince William https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SMX5kUDOas -- I think his story sheds very interesting light on the romantic heartbreak dramas of the royal family, which fortunately may finally have been somewhat redeemed through the marriage of Harry & Meghan.

In fact, Lifetime is producing a second fictional account of the recent lives of H&M, with a different cast from last May's movie:
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/l...6471837/lifetime-harry-meghan-becoming-royal/ To be viewed with a huge grain of salt

Do you know when the third season of The Crown series on Netflix is expected to premiere?
 
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A Baby Sussex astrological birth chart is already available:
https://www.wellandgood.com/good-advice/royal-baby-sussex-birth-chart/?yptr=yahoo

More on Harry making the announcement:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/prince-harry-looked-adorably-happy-141500590.html


:lol: Chris Ship has let us see the reporter, Alan Anthony Jones, who was on the other side of the camera asking Prince Harry questions about Baby Sussex earlier today:
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1125504036680163329
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1125472841284059136

It's really cool to see some more diversity among reporters covering the royals, aside from Omid Scobie. There are a number of female royal reporters, and Roya Nikkah has East Indian heritage apparently (but she was among the reporters who reacted rather negatively to the initial news of M&H's wish for privacy around their birth plans).

Since Harry called 'Alan' by his first name and indicated, "We'll see you in a couple of days," it must be Alan who was chosen as the broadcast reporter for the photo-op (which will probably take place on Wednesday). There will also be one photographer and one print reporter covering the photo session.
 
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Charles and Diana did photo ops with both boys a week or so after their birth. I think they were similar to what Harry and Meghan are planning. One photographer who then shares to photos. I assume they will be taken at Frogmore which will give us all a small glimpse at the interior decor!

https://images.app.goo.gl/2eCsDxSc1BgwmVZs5 this is from Prince William’s newborn photo op.

ETA: found the one of Harry https://images.app.goo.gl/4Euvm8rm7bvf5rbB7
 
^^ The photo-op was already reported to be takiing place at Windsor Castle, not Frogmore House, and especially not Frogmore Cottage, their private haven.

This tribute to Baby Sussex is being reported by the CBC. That's nice, since Meghan was a resident of Toronto for nearly seven years:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/falls-royal-birth-blue-1.5125083

mag said:
https://images.app.goo.gl/2eCsDxSc1BgwmVZs5 this is from Prince William’s newborn photo op.
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Thanks. William as a baby held by Diana is being juxtaposed with the first official baby picture of Prince Louis, taken by Kate.

mag said:
... found the one of Harry https://images.app.goo.gl/4Euvm8rm7bvf5rbB7
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Sigh... I remember that one well. Diana is forever lovely. :)


Additional news from Chris Ship re stories on ITV's website:
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1125506295291875330


The two horses seen behind Harry in the stalls at the Royal Mews are named George, and St. John. :lol:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-06/duke-of-sussex-basks-in-joy-of-becoming-a-new-father/

Now they really need to name the baby 'John,' especially since 'George' is already taken. ;)
 
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@aftershocks said:
That's so lovely @Simone411! I think it's a fascinating and rewarding experience to discover as much about one's ancestors and family history as possible. It provides important connections that can be revealing and strengthening. I too have always enjoyed reading about British history, monarchy, and historical romances set in Britain. The relationship between Meghan and Harry is a modern romance for our times.
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It was my uncle that actually did lot of the research regarding the ancestry. He passed away March 1st, but it left my family a treasure of information. He had been into Genealogy for years and also joined Ancestry.com. I'm not quite sure how it all works but my grandmother's father was a descendent of the Cox family, and it originally began in 1675 in Drayton Berkshire, England. I had mentioned the 1500's but was incorrect about that.

My Uncle also found some more information a couple of months ago that's possibly been connected with Courteney Cox. If he was correct, then it's pretty intriguing. Our ancestor, John Cox immigrated to Pennsylvania, was married, and passed away in 1755.

My Uncles DNA tests showed possible connections to Courteney Cox. It, of course, is very distant kin, but Courteney's research showed possible ties with the Royals and a whole lot more:

Courteney Cox: Somebody Would Have Been Screaming It From The Rooftops If We Had Been Royals
 
mag said:
Wow, thanks! Not sure any of us would have figured that one out.
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Shrug. Just looking without reading the caption, at first I thought both photos were of William. I did a double take and my next thought was, 'William looked so much like his son Louis as a newborn.' :p Then I realized it's the photo of Louis, even before reading the caption, because I remember when the photo was released.

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Thanks @Simone411. That's so cool your uncle completed a lot of the research before he passed away. I have a sister and a cousin who have spent a lot of time doing family genealogical research. If you become famous, genealogical experts tend to do all the research on famous persons' backgrounds for public consumption. ;)

I enjoy watching the stories on Henry Louis Gates' Finding Your Roots series, on PBS.

That's fascinating re your connection to Courtney Cox. I think such connections reveal how closely related and connected the human race is, and has always been. Meghan Markle is related to the royals (via her paternal ancestry), as well as to a number of U.S. presidents, and to other actors, including James Dean! I linked Meghan's and Harry's genealogical chart showing their family connections awhile ago in this thread. Here it is again (which shows how Meghan is also related to the Spencers):
https://www.americanancestors.org/uploadedfiles/content/features/meghan-markle-chart.pdf
https://www.americanancestors.org/Royal-Ancestry-of-Meghan-Markle.aspx

Here's some genealogical info on Meghan's mother's family who originally hailed from Ohio by way of Georgia maternally, and Ohio & Missouri paternally:
https://vitabrevis.americanancestors.org/2018/05/meghan-markles-maternal-family/

So Baby Sussex has English-Irish, Dutch-German, African-American, Native American, and additional European ancestry on his mother's side. On his father's side: English, Scottish, German, Russian, Danish* -- and very far back a strain of Portuguese and African via Queen Victoria's ancient ancestry through her paternal grandmother, Queen Sophia Charlotte, for whom both Frogmore House and Buckingham House (later Buckingham Palace) were purchased by her husband, King George III -- who btw was not mad, he suffered from at that time an unknown disease, later speculated to have been porphyria.

*Prince Philip is English, German, Russian and Danish. Despite having been born in Greece, where his grandfather (George I of Greece) had become King, Philip had no Greek ancestry. His paternal grandfather, George I, was Danish and Russian on his mother's side.
 
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canbelto said:
O.M.G. Tell me that in 2019 people don't actually believe in astrology? If they do that's f__king sad.
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Yes, astrologers continue to practice astrology and some people believe in astrology, in 2019. The process of constructing and analyzing charts is much as it has always been, though there are different schools of astrology

Why is that particularly sad at the present time?

And people are entirely entitled to think it is all a bunch of nonsense - but they always have been.
 
Japanfan said:
Yes, astrologers continue to practice astrology and some people believe in astrology, in 2019. The process of constructing and analyzing charts is much as it has always been, though there are different schools of astrology

Why is that particularly sad at the present time?

And people are entirely entitled to think it is all a bunch of nonsense - but they always have been.
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Because there's nothing dumber than believing that your destiny is based on some stupid astrological chart. I can't believe anyone actually believes this s__t. If they do ... then bless their gullible stupid little hearts.
 
canbelto said:
Because there's nothing dumber than believing that your destiny is based on some stupid astrological chart. I can't believe anyone actually believes this s__t. If they do ... then bless their gullible stupid little hearts.
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You forgot to add IMO. Some people do find truth and validity in astrology. My guess is you have no idea of the methods, processes and interpretative techniques that astrologers use, which are both complicated and sophisticated.

There are plenty of things about which you could say "gullible stupid little hearts", not the least of which is believing in a God or Higher Power.

In any case, let's not derail this thread with a debate about astrology.

If M&H enjoy learning about their newborn's astrology chart, leave them be.
 
Japanfan said:
You forgot to add IMO. Some people do find truth and validity in astrology. My guess is you have no idea of the methods, processes and interpretative techniques that astrologers use, which are both complicated and sophisticated.

There are plenty of things about which you could say "gullible stupid little hearts", not the least of which is believing in a God or Higher Power.

In any case, let's not derail this thread with a debate about astrology.

If M&H enjoy learning about their newborn's astrology chart, leave them be.
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Astrology being nonsense is not an opinion. It's a fact. I was born at the end of March. What does that mean? Absolutely f__king nothing except it was nine months after I was conceived.

You can believe 2+2 = 5 but 2+2 = 4. It makes me so angry that there are these awful people who prey on the stupidity of others and charge for these astrological charts. Astrological charts and all this bulls__t is why kids are falling sick with the measles. Oh wait. Saturn will protect them. Whatever.
 
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canbelto said:
Astrology being nonsense is not an opinion. It's a fact.
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No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion.

There are people who disagree with you and find truth and validity in it. There are very precise mathematical processes involved in the construction of an astrology chart and astrology has been practiced and followed for hundreds of years.

I was born at the end of March. What does that mean? Absolutely f__king nothing except it was nine months after I was conceived.
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Absolutely nothing to you. Also, your birth date only tells you your sun sign, which isn't worth a whole lot. You need an accurate time (and place) of birth to get an astrological chart done. The sun sign alone tells very little, as there are twelve signs, twelve houses, and a bunch of other things to consider such as moon sign, planetary relationships, element emphasis, factors pertinent to the ruling planet (ruler of the sign sign) and configurations within the chart.

Astrological charts and all this bulls__t is why kids are falling sick with the measles. Oh wait. Saturn will protect them. Whatever.
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Nope. Protection against disease is more the work of Jupiter. But nothing in one's astrological chart prevents the measles. All the chart can do is help one to delineate the experience.

Anyway, this conversation should go to OTBT, as this thread is to celebrate the birth of M&H's son.
 
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Japanfan said:
No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion.

There are people who disagree with you and find truth and validity in it. There are very precise mathematical processes involved in the construction of an astrology chart and astrology has been practiced and followed for hundreds of years.

Absolutely nothing to you. Also, your birth date only tells you your sun sign, which isn't worth a whole lot. You need an accurate time (and place) of birth to get an astrological chart done. The sun sign alone tells very little, as there are twelve signs, twelve houses, and a bunch of other things to consider such as moon sign, planetary relationships, element emphasis, factors pertinent to the ruling planet (ruler of the sign sign) and configurations within the chart.

Anyway, this conversation should go to OTBT, as this thread is to celebrate the birth of M&H's son.
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I feel sorry for anyone who spends money getting an astrological chart. I don't think my mom even remembers what time I was born. Thank god I had parents who were too busy, you know, raising me to think about my destiny because I fell under some galaxy. I think thats a sign that you have too much money and too little sense.
 
I had a university professor who one class handed us each an envelope (there were over 300 in the class.) He told us that inside was our horoscope/ astrological something or other, which had been carefully researched and written by one of his graduate classes. We were all told to read them, without sharing, then we answered a bunch of questions. The upshot was that over 80% of the class thought what was written perfectly described them.

All 300 pieces of paper said the basically the same thing. The professor then went on to deconstruct it for us showing how language was used in such a way as to allow the reader to project themself onto the writing. It was really interesting.
 
Congratulations to Harry and Meghan on their healthy little boy. (I was hoping it would be a boy!) Can't wait to see a picture of the new little member of the family and the Christening in July or August.
 
Any guesses on his name? I was so wrong with William's two sons, though I did predict Charlotte Diana Elizabeth. My guess is something like Alexander Spencer Charles. Maybe Philip to replace one of the names.
 
I've been giving a lot of thought to this baby name business and I feel strongly given the baby's half American roots, he should carry the name of some of the classic ballplayers, or actually their nicknames.

Vinegar Bend, Three Finger, Poosh Em Up, Big Poison (and if there's another, Little Poison), Shoeless, Moose (in case he's unpopular, he can always claim they weren't yelling Boo) and the ever tasteful Dizzy (and with potential younger brother in mind, Daffy).

Among current players I favor Mookie, because of the charm of Mookie the Dukie. And then there's the fabulous time saver, Seranthony.

Really, you can never go wrong with Joltin' Joe or the Sultan of Swat. And no little boys in his nursery school are likely to have them. :biggrinbo
 
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