I go into this thread every so often, and I actually come away with it with the same impressions as @taf2002. There really is a negative tint to this thread and I actually don't find aftershocks' posts that unreasonable here. She's the only one posting consistently positive things about them and it's actually kind of refreshing after reading post after post of negative or negatively-tinted posts about them until taf2002 started in trying to defend them. IMO, it's all supposition anyway and all posts are people trying to attribute things towards them and assuming their thought processes. It's all the same whether one is positive or negative.