Per his instagram Memola injured himself competing yesterday after falling on the quad lutz (pelvis felt really weird), he's having an MRI tomorrow after having x-rays yesterday and on top of that while waiting for his x-ray results, someone broke into his car and stole his skates and short program costume and Normatecs
Well I guess one has to hope that at least it’s nothing too serious, but I have felt the whole season that he is overdoing himself.
(Aljonas car was also broken in in Torino some months ago, so I guess it’s good advise to not leave anything in your car there )
Per his instagram Memola injured himself competing yesterday after falling on the quad lutz (pelvis felt really weird), he's having an MRI tomorrow after having x-rays yesterday and on top of that while waiting for his x-ray results, someone broke into his car and stole his skates and short program costume and Normatecs
Well I guess one has to hope that at least it’s nothing too serious, but I have felt the whole season that he is overdoing himself.
(Aljonas car was also broken in in Torino some months ago, so I guess it’s good advise to not leave anything in your car there )
Because of the size of his feet, he has to Franken-construct his own boots. I hope he’s got a partially broken in pair in reserve. And, of course, that he’s not seriously injured.
Pezzetta WD. Gutmann scored 207.31 and increased her lead in the internal ranking. I believe she is virtually unreachable for the Olympic spot with only Nationals to go (given Pezzetta is not entered at Golden Spin). Nationals score are added to the sum of top 2 scores from rest of the season.
Beccari/Guarise and Ghilardi/Ambrosini WD from Pair competition. Both are set for Golden Spin before Nationals. B/G needs to show up there to continue to have hopes because they are behind now (as their terrible Trialeti Trophy score is factored in).
Rizzo did not improve his ranking in Tallinn. However, as said in earlier comments, Memola has other issues now to deal with.
Ice Dance uses another method to calculate rankings.
Before Nationals, I think the situation for 2nd Euro spot is Manni/Roethlisberger 175 and Paolino/Tuba 173.3
Ice Dance uses another method to calculate rankings.
Before Nationals, I think the situation for 2nd Euro spot is Manni/Roethlisberger 175 and Paolino/Tuba 173.3
The formula for ice dance is the average of the 3 best competition scores + Italian Championships score. If less than 25 points separate the teams then the FISG can take WS into consideration.
Here's what the standings for Ice Dance look like at the moment:
Beccari/Guarise are out of Golden Spin. I feel like that pretty much puts the final nail in their Olympic hopes as they're currently 40 points behind Ghilardi/Ambrosini for the 2nd spot.
Beccari/Guarise are out of Golden Spin. I feel like that pretty much puts the final nail in their Olympic hopes as they're currently 40 points behind Ghilardi/Ambrosini for the 2nd spot.
Event results for CAMPIONATI ITALIANI ASSOLUTI FIGURE SKATING
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After this weekend, the situation for Olympic and European spots should be (apologies in advance for typos and small mistakes)
Scores of Nationals is added to the following totals, it does not substitute one of the 2 scores used
MEN
Grassl increased its lead. Circelli marginally improved but it is very behind anwyay
1) Grassl 579.4 (if we have to subtract Step Sequences 561.38) * GPF + Elite Championship Series 1st Stage (hereafter Elite 1)
2) Memola 510.91 (492.69) * Lombardia Trophy + Elite 1
3) Rizzo 506.98 (487.51) * Nepela Trophy + Elite 1
4) Frangipani 432.28 (416.43) *NHK + Elite 1
5) Circelli 417.8 (401.89) * Tallin + Golden Spin
Grassl is a shoo-in
2nd Olympic spot Memola and Rizzo.
For Europeans, Italy have 3 spots, and both of them have a consistent lead over Frangipani.
However, the big issue here is Memola's conditions.
The race for Olympic spot seems close.
For Euros, there are 3 spots. So both Pezzetta and Joos can go. Piredda is a bit too distant, 15-18 points gap is quite a lot to overcome in one competition. She needs one of the other two to implode.
PAIRS
1) Conti/Macii 438.91 (429.63 when deducing the lowest scoring lift) * GP Final and Lombardia Trophy
2) Ghilardi/Ambrosini 381.34 (368.56) * Nebelhorn Trophy and Lombardia Trophy
3) Beccari/Guarise 341.24 (328.9) * Nebelhorn Trophy and Trialeti Trophy
4) Caldara/Maglio 333.6 (323.44) * Golden Spin + Swiss Ice Open
Beccari/Guarise are too far behind G/A at this point. Still, if they beat them at Nationals by, let's say, 20 points, I could see the technical commission overruling the ranking, since B/G have so behind mainly due to injuries. That said, their physical condition is also uncertain, given that they withdrew from Golden Spin this week.
ICE DANCE
1) Guignard/Fabbri 199.61
2) Manni/Roethlisberger 175.05 177.89 * Edited: they took part in one of the National Series competitions this weekend and scored 179.97
3) Paolino/Tuba 173.4
4) Dozzi/Papetti 160.76
Now let's take in consideration Tali/LaFornara
159.23 at Golden Spin
If I understand currently, points 4-5 of the regulations say
An athlete who, due to duly documented force majeure or in agreement with the Technical Commission, is unable to take part in the minimum number of international competitions on the ISU calendar or competitions on the FISG calendar used to calculate the ranking, may use the total score from the last international competition held during the previous season.
Except for the cases referred to in points 9, 10, and 11, an athlete's total ranking score is calculated by adding up the scores
of only the competitions in which they participated during the season.
[points 9-10-11 talks about other things, not sure why they mention them...probably because they cut and paste from 2024 regulations....]
So T/L can add the 177.5 from Junior Worlds. Anyway, it would mean an average of 168.365.
Next week there is the 1st event of the National Championship Elite Series. Men entries have all top athletes going head to head (if no-one withdraws).
Event results for CAMPIONATO ITALIANO (ELITE) - 1° prova
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Ah, is Grassl becoming Pope at the end of the Free Skating when he reveals the white shirt underneath the black one?
Anna Pezzetta in the Police as expected.
Irma Caldara in the Air Force.
The prison guard procedure is still going on.
A male ice dancer position has been opened in the Firefighters corp.
Event results for CAMPIONATI ITALIANI ASSOLUTI FIGURE SKATING
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After this weekend, the situation for Olympic and European spots should be (apologies in advance for typos and small mistakes)
Scores of Nationals is added to the following totals, it does not substitute one of the 2 scores used
MEN
Grassl increased its lead. Circelli marginally improved but it is very behind anwyay
1) Grassl 579.4 (if we have to subtract Step Sequences 561.38) * GPF + Elite Championship Series 1st Stage (hereafter Elite 1)
2) Memola 510.91 (492.69) * Lombardia Trophy + Elite 1
3) Rizzo 506.98 (487.51) * Nepela Trophy + Elite 1
4) Frangipani 432.28 (416.43) *NHK + Elite 1
5) Circelli 417.8 (401.89) * Tallin + Golden Spin
Grassl is a shoo-in
2nd Olympic spot Memola and Rizzo.
For Europeans, Italy have 3 spots, and both of them have a consistent lead over Frangipani.
However, the big issue here is Memola's conditions.
The race for Olympic spot seems close.
For Euros, there are 3 spots. So both Pezzetta and Joos can go. Piredda is a bit too distant, 15-18 points gap is quite a lot to overcome in one competition. She needs one of the other two to implode.
PAIRS
1) Conti/Macii 438.91 (429.63 when deducing the lowest scoring lift) * GP Final and Lombardia Trophy
2) Ghilardi/Ambrosini 381.34 (368.56) * Nebelhorn Trophy and Lombardia Trophy
3) Beccari/Guarise 341.24 (328.9) * Nebelhorn Trophy and Trialeti Trophy
** I will compute Caladara/Maglio's ranking score after Golden Spin
Beccari/Guarise are too far behind G/A at this point. Still, if they beat them at Nationals by, let's say, 20 points, I could see the technical commission overruling the ranking, since B/G have so behind mainly due to injuries. That said, their physical condition is also uncertain, given that they withdrew from Golden Spin this week.
Now let's take in consideration Tali/LaFornara
159.23 at Golden Spin
If I understand currently, points 4-5 of the regulations say
An athlete who, due to duly documented force majeure or in agreement with the Technical Commission, is unable to take part in the minimum number of international competitions on the ISU calendar or competitions on the FISG calendar used to calculate the ranking, may use the total score from the last international competition held during the previous season.
Except for the cases referred to in points 9, 10, and 11, an athlete's total ranking score is calculated by adding up the scores
of only the competitions in which they participated during the season.
[points 9-10-11 talks about other things, not sure why they mention them...probably because they cut and paste from 2024 regulations....]
So T/L can add the 177.5 from Junior Worlds. Anyway, it would mean an average of 168.365.
Event results for CAMPIONATI ITALIANI ASSOLUTI FIGURE SKATING
www.fisg.it
After this weekend, the situation for Olympic and European spots should be (apologies in advance for typos and small mistakes)
Scores of Nationals is added to the following totals, it does not substitute one of the 2 scores used
MEN
Grassl increased its lead. Circelli marginally improved but it is very behind anwyay
1) Grassl 579.4 (if we have to subtract Step Sequences 561.38) * GPF + Elite Championship Series 1st Stage (hereafter Elite 1)
2) Memola 510.91 (492.69) * Lombardia Trophy + Elite 1
3) Rizzo 506.98 (487.51) * Nepela Trophy + Elite 1
4) Frangipani 432.28 (416.43) *NHK + Elite 1
5) Circelli 417.8 (401.89) * Tallin + Golden Spin
Grassl is a shoo-in
2nd Olympic spot Memola and Rizzo.
For Europeans, Italy have 3 spots, and both of them have a consistent lead over Frangipani.
However, the big issue here is Memola's conditions.
The race for Olympic spot seems close.
For Euros, there are 3 spots. So both Pezzetta and Joos can go. Piredda is a bit too distant, 15-18 points gap is quite a lot to overcome in one competition. She needs one of the other two to implode.
PAIRS
1) Conti/Macii 438.91 (429.63 when deducing the lowest scoring lift) * GP Final and Lombardia Trophy
2) Ghilardi/Ambrosini 381.34 (368.56) * Nebelhorn Trophy and Lombardia Trophy
3) Beccari/Guarise 341.24 (328.9) * Nebelhorn Trophy and Trialeti Trophy
** I will compute Caladara/Maglio's ranking score after Golden Spin
Beccari/Guarise are too far behind G/A at this point. Still, if they beat them at Nationals by, let's say, 20 points, I could see the technical commission overruling the ranking, since B/G have so behind mainly due to injuries. That said, their physical condition is also uncertain, given that they withdrew from Golden Spin this week.
Now let's take in consideration Tali/LaFornara
159.23 at Golden Spin
If I understand currently, points 4-5 of the regulations say
An athlete who, due to duly documented force majeure or in agreement with the Technical Commission, is unable to take part in the minimum number of international competitions on the ISU calendar or competitions on the FISG calendar used to calculate the ranking, may use the total score from the last international competition held during the previous season.
Except for the cases referred to in points 9, 10, and 11, an athlete's total ranking score is calculated by adding up the scores
of only the competitions in which they participated during the season.
[points 9-10-11 talks about other things, not sure why they mention them...probably because they cut and paste from 2024 regulations....]
So T/L can add the 177.5 from Junior Worlds. Anyway, it would mean an average of 168.365.
Thank you for compiling all the information. It's interesting to see Melissa Cachova/Ivan Morozov entered here in Junior Dance instead of Four Nationals. I would have expected to see them skate for Czechia rather than Italy. I wonder who between the two has Italian citizenship.
Thank you for compiling all the information. It's interesting to see Melissa Cachova/Ivan Morozov entered here in Junior Dance instead of Four Nationals. I would have expected to see them skate for Czechia rather than Italy. I wonder who between the two has Italian citizenship.
Not sure if they tried with Czechia, but around June they were intending to represent Slovakia, Zanni sent a request to the federation which was denied.
Beccari/Guarise are out of Golden Spin. I feel like that pretty much puts the final nail in their Olympic hopes as they're currently 40 points behind Ghilardi/Ambrosini for the 2nd spot.
Beccari's original injury, revealed in June 2024 on her Instagram, said she had been diagnosed with a stress fracture in her left foot 2 months earlier. She underwent surgery in December 2024: https://www.instagram.com/p/DDoUy9Dx7-X/
B/G withdrew after the SP at Cup of China and then WD from Skate America.
Beccari's original injury that she revealed in the spring of 2024 was a stress fracture in her left foot. She underwent surgery in December 2024: https://www.instagram.com/p/DDoUy9Dx7-X/
B/G withdrew after the SP at Cup of China and then WD from Skate America.
Jackie Wong has reviewed the Italian selection criteria and noted that an athlete who has a ln adequately documented reason for withdrawing from Italian Nationals can substitute an international score in lieu of the Nationals score in the selection calculation.
I'm not sure how helpful this will be to Memola if Rizzo had a good Nationals because Memola's 2 best international scores are already included & his 3rd best score is only 231.02 - so, basically, Rizzo just needs to score around 240 to surpass Memola in the standings.
Jackie Wong has reviewed the Italian selection criteria and noted that an athlete who has a ln adequately documented reason for withdrawing from Italian Nationals can substitute an international score in lieu of the Nationals score in the selection calculation.
I'm not sure how helpful this will be to Memola if Rizzo had a good Nationals because Memola's 2 best international scores are already included & his 3rd best score is only 231.02 - so, basically, Rizzo just needs to score around 240 to surpass Memola in the standings.
Yes, but that 238.20 includes the step sequence, which is supposed to be subtracted from the total, correct?
Either way, it shouldn't be hard for Rizzo to come up with a 245 score at Italian Nationals to move ahead of Memola, I'd like to think. But then again, he only scored 80.61 in the SP, so he's got some work to do in the FS.
Who knows! It is a Figure Skating sport entity, you can't pretend they write a clear document.
If I go by Attachment A, no, they shouldn't be subtracted
If I go by the main document, yes, they should be subtracted
If I have imputed correct numbers in my Excel file, before Nationals, the situation is
Memola 510.91 or 492.69 without StSq
Rizzo 506.98 or 487.51 without StSq
With Step Sequences
Rizzo needs 161.52 tomorrow
Without Step Sequences
Rizzo needs 159.59 tomorrow (he got 4.83 in the StSq today, so likely a 164.4 overall is needed tomorrow if they subtract Step Sequences. They break into Rizzo's favor over Memola)
Rizzo got a 166 FS score earlier this season with a national panel at Elite 1st stage series competition. But he also got 91 in the SP there. At 2024 Nationals he had a bad 142 FS.
It is a score he can certainly do...but it is not a given.
Jackie Wong noted that Matteo needs a little over 242 to beat Nikolaj's total score, and with him only scoring 80 in the SP, I'm honestly not sure Matteo has a 161-162 FS in him right now. This is going to be brutal.
ETA: missed the comment above mine that basically said the same
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