I, Tonya

[berthesghost]

The ban like every other aspect of this saga is ripe with contradiction, exaggeration, deflection, etc...
The least of which is the logic: she’s saying she was shocked to find that the very same people she claimed hated her and kept her down for years, would prevent her from continuing. Oh Tonya Tonya Tonya. What a unique view of how the world works you have.

 

[bardtoob]

The ban like every other aspect of this saga is ripe with contradiction, exaggeration, deflection, etc...
The least of which is the logic: she’s saying she was shocked to find that the very same people she claimed hated her and kept her down for years, would prevent her from continuing. Oh Tonya Tonya Tonya. What a unique view of how the world works you have.

This must be from the interview I am not going to watch

 

[Lacey]

Are you effing kidding me?

Tonya knew, might have even planned it herself. Someone suggested the landing leg, only another skater would know that.

Tony Kent Arena, the site of initial concept, was spelled out in Tonya's very own handwriting at the garbage dumpster, both phonetically and for real. Evidence, not fake.

Tonya threatened to sue USFSA if she was not allowed to go to the Olympics for being suspect in this--were they chicken, ignorant or stupid?

Girl is even more guilty than those who went to jail for the nasty deed.

PI$$e$ me off because now, to add insult to injury, years later, she's making money off the deal. In many states, there are laws against just that, profiting from crime, yet she is still doing it.

I could have done the same thing and had Lady Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy write about it and the Dame Princess of England act it out, but that doesn't make it right. Golden Globe Schmobe, Oscar Moscar.

Oh, and Tonya had a sad childhood, boo hoo. So have many others.

And now, when pressed, Tonya is admitting, well I might have known ahead of time.......dot dot dot. Seriously?

I, too, stand with Nancy. She may be worth millions and Tonya only thousands, but at least Nancy came by it honestly.

And, not that it was any small thing, but thank heavens Nancy was not injured worse than she was. Imagine the psychological ramifications in addition to the physical pain.

This final statement speaks for itself: I noticed Nathan Chen had some kind of guard accompanying him backstage at this year's US Nationals. Who could forget Nancy's piercing screams? Someone learned something.

 

[bardtoob]

Sounds like the same old crap. Glad I didn't watch.

Thanks, @Laney, for the summary.

 

[Inessence]

Sounds like the same old crap. Glad I didn't watch.

Thanks, @Laney, for the summary.

Oh, do watch. It’s worth it for Mama Harding alone!

 

[SmallFairy]

The movie opens in Norway February 2nd

Of course our media writes about Tonya "being able to show her side of the story through the movie" (her words). Tonya/Nancy will of obviously always be hot in Norway because of Lillehammer.

 

[skatingguy]

She was probably out clubbing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVb7F5nfoI

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Well that TV show was interesting last night.... and was 2 hours... wasnt planning on that...

I think what has happened is rather common... she believes her own lies.

NO way her husband was doing all of this with her not knowing anything..

on 30/30 the Price of Gold even her friend (who was also in this show) said that in the end she thinks Tonya is lying.

I do feel for her like so many in that you can tell from her upbringing morality and right from wrong was never really enforced. Love and learning about life was not present. Tragedy spawns to more tragedy.

I SWEAR to become a parent in this world should require a Masters degree in parenting and life first.

ALSO: It was kinda cool to finally see who these operators of the Tonya/Nancy museum are....

 

[Yazmeen]

http://hollywoodlife.com/2018/01/11...igan-attack-no-remorse-abc-interview-twitter/

I think the most honest thing said in that special was Tonya's mom saying that Tonya has lied so much she doesn't even know what isn't a lie anymore.

 

[berthesghost]

And the really tragic comedy of all this continues to be Tonya being her own worst enemy. Hollywood hands you this golden ticket in the form of a pro-you bio pic and then a major network gives you a two hour special giving you a chance to rehabilitate your public image, so hey, why not use this opportunity to criticize a victim

 

[Yazmeen]

I could have told anyone from the day the movie was first announced that if Tonya got major attention surrounding it, she'd find a way to 'eff it up. She simply never actually THINKS about anything; she just reacts. It never occurred to her that stating she "knew something was up" wasn't going to start a fresh round of questioning about her involvement in the whack? How clueless and idiotic coud she be to think this wasn't going to be noticed???

The craziest part is that she had a MAJOR opportunity here to possibly make herself look at least a little bit more sympathetic. But then she has to go and criticize Nancy again for "whining" while she herself showed little remorse for the real victim, and then she suddenly majorly changes her story. Yet again. And after nearly 24 years of insisting she had no knowledge whatsoever, nope, none, not an inkling of anything prior to the attack, she admits to knowing something. I have to admit I wondered why the interviewer didn't push her further about this, although it's likely that Tonya shut down the subject after realizing what she said.

Once again, the door is open a little, and Tonya slams it again in her own face instead of trying to walk through...

 

[ks777]

I still think Tonya was in on it.

 

[Carolla5501]

Apparently Tonya's son (6?) is skating now. She's apparently teaching him herself. If he ever decided to compete in the USFS system, one would wonder if Tonya would be allowed in even to watch. Obviously she'd have to get another coach for him or have him go without one, but who knows if they'd even police club competitions... And if he got to Nationals would she be allowed a chaperone pass? I doubt it, but it would be strange to see if her son made it that far.

Someone posted in one of the Nationals threads that they have to post a notice at competitions with "banned" individuals and guess whose name is on the list? No she wouldn't be allowed. Personally I think she needs to find him a sport where he's not tainted by "Tonya's son"

I have decided seeing the movie or watching the shows just feeds the monster so I didn't watch the two hour "pretend news show" and won't see the movie.

 

[skatesindreams]

As several of the detailed posts earlier in the thread have mentioned; the attack required an "insider's" knowledge of practices and procedures used at Nationals in Detroit, beyond a timesheet or schedule. Only a competitor would have been privy to some of the information; which apparently was shared, in Tonya's handwriting.

The documents exist.
They make it difficult for Tonya to claim ignorance or innocence, IMO.

 

[meggonzo]

It makes me wonder why the FBI or DA couldn't build a better case against her?

I thought the specials from 4 years ago were done better than this one, and this one seemed to just rip off clips from those shows anyways. I kinda hope this is the last special done on the whole thing. Tonya doesn't need to stick her foot in her mouth more!

I also though LaVona looked different than the other recent clip of her from Inside Edition talking about the movie, which was weird since both would have been filmed within the past few months. Maybe she just looks different without glasses and her hair pulled back in a flower headband.

 

[gkelly]

Apparently Tonya's son (6?) is skating now. She's apparently teaching him herself. If he ever decided to compete in the USFS system, one would wonder if Tonya would be allowed in even to watch. Obviously she'd have to get another coach for him or have him go without one, but who knows if they'd even police club competitions... And if he got to Nationals would she be allowed a chaperone pass? I doubt it, but it would be strange to see if her son made it that far.

Someone posted in one of the Nationals threads that they have to post a notice at competitions with "banned" individuals and guess whose name is on the list? No she wouldn't be allowed.

The rules state that individuals who have been banned or suspended from USFS membership "should not be credentialed, nor permitted to coach in any U.S. Figure Skating sponsored or sanctioned activity including but not limited to participating in qualifying or nonqualifying competitions, tests, carnivals and exhibitions."

That makes it virtually impossible for such a person to earn a living coaching skating, or to enter competitions or take tests themselves. They would not be credentialed as a coach at any competition or test session. I understand it to mean they would also not be credentialed as a chaperone, although that is less clear.

There's nothing about policing who buys a ticket, walks through the door of the building, or sits in the stands at unticketed events. If the person is readily recognizable, especially locally, it's possible that host club members might recognize them and try to make them leave the building, but there is no official requirement or authority for them to do so.

 

[Yazmeen]

Finally found the Olivia Munn parody:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tv...poofs-Nancy-Kerrigan-Critics-Choice-skit.html

 

[Vagabond]

It makes me wonder why the FBI or DA couldn't build a better case against her?

She agreed to three years' probation, 500 hours of community service, and a $160,000 fine, which would be about $260,000 today. That's quite a lot for "hindering prosecution" and suggests to me that prosecutors had a much stronger case but were willing give Harding a face-saving, comparatively minor, charge in exchange for a strict penalty.

 

[VGThuy]

I admit that this gif is pretty funny:

https://twitter.com/ItsMeCrosby/status/951649898050605056

 

[MacMadame]

The rules state that individuals who have been banned or suspended from USFS membership "should not be credentialed, nor permitted to coach in any U.S. Figure Skating sponsored or sanctioned activity including but not limited to participating in qualifying or nonqualifying competitions, tests, carnivals and exhibitions."

That makes it virtually impossible for such a person to earn a living coaching skating, or to enter competitions or take tests themselves. They would not be credentialed as a coach at any competition or test session. I understand it to mean they would also not be credentialed as a chaperone, although that is less clear.

re: the bolded part. It makes it impossible to earn a living coaching USFS skaters. Many more skaters test & compete in ISI and coaches who only work with them make a perfectly fine living. In fact, at one point, Tonya was coaching lower level students. That dried up after she threw a hubcap at her boyfriend, not because of the ban.

She agreed to three years' probation, 500 hours of community service, and a $160,000 fine, which would be about $260,000 today. That's quite a lot for "hindering prosecution" and suggests to me that prosecutors had a much stronger case but were willing give Harding a face-saving, comparatively minor, charge in exchange for a strict penalty.

It saved them the expense of a trial too. It also probably got her to spill the beans on the rest of the gang so they could nail down their prosecutions. Trials are risky especially jury trials. It's often much better to get the defendant to plea out to a lesser charge.

 

[Lacey]

Wonder if she paid it off, who kept track?

 

[meggonzo]

She agreed to three years' probation, 500 hours of community service, and a $160,000 fine, which would be about $260,000 today. That's quite a lot for "hindering prosecution" and suggests to me that prosecutors had a much stronger case but were willing give Harding a face-saving, comparatively minor, charge in exchange for a strict penalty.

It saved them the expense of a trial too. It also probably got her to spill the beans on the rest of the gang so they could nail down their prosecutions. Trials are risky especially jury trials. It's often much better to get the defendant to plea out to a lesser charge.

Thanks, this makes sense that they didn't want to spend money on a trial. I believe that the hindering prosecution charge is also a felony? So they were still able to get her to plea to a felony charge. Correct me if I'm wrong... I'm just basing this off the line in the NY Times article where she said she prefers to hunt by bow & arrow, and the writer says that it's also illegal for felons to own guns in Washington state.

 

[meggonzo]

Wonder if she paid it off, who kept track?

It broke down to $100K state fine, $50K for a Special Olympics fund, and $10K to Multnomah County. No idea if she paid it off or not ... Would Nancy get any of that money? Or would she have had to file a civil suit?

 

[Inessence]

It broke down to $100K state fine, $50K for a Special Olympics fund, and $10K to Multnomah County. No idea if she paid it off or not ... Would Nancy get any of that money? Or would she have had to file a civil suit?

I believe she did according to her book. The I, Tonya writer said Gillooly told him he never paid his. I’ve read Gillooly had filed for bankruptcy, but I’m not certain if that absolves him of a fine or not.

 

[Vagabond]

Thanks, this makes sense that they didn't want to spend money on a trial. I believe that the hindering prosecution charge is also a felony? So they were still able to get her to plea to a felony charge. Correct me if I'm wrong... I'm just basing this off the line in the NY Times article where she said she prefers to hunt by bow & arrow, and the writer says that it's also illegal for felons to own guns in Washington state.

Meet Google, your new friend.

"If she hadn't been willing to plead to a felony offense, we would have proceeded with an indictment on all possible charges," Frink said. "And I have every expectation that that would have included conspiracy to commit second-degree assault and racketeering."

http://www.oregonlive.com/tonya-harding/2014/01/tonya_harding-nancy_kerrigan_h.html

If Tonya Harding were more calculating, she would know that this statement by the prosecutor would come back to haunt her. "Overheard" indeed.

 

[Inessence]

They had her nailed to a wall in hindering and covering up. Including lying to the FBI and photos of her leaving Eckhardt’s house with Jeff after the assault. She might as well plead and negotiate the punishment rather than leaving it for a judge to decide.

 

[snippy]

I watched both the movie and the interview last night. Allison Janney’s performance is definitely the best I’ve seen this year. She was Tonya’s mother to a T. Margot Robbie, she had her mannerisms and her skating style down but the voice just wasn’t there. That part really bothered me overall. I thought that I would enjoy this movie a lot more than I did but the performances were very good.

As for the interview last night, I was impressed to see that Tonya can indeed still skate and well considering age and weight gain. I kind of regret watching the interview and giving attention to someone who probably doesn’t deserve it. Someone mentioned her son skating, I do wonder if the world has had enough time to forgive her Should she actually coached him in a competitive arena. Nancy seems to have no interest whatsoever in that sort of thing. But naturally that wouldn’t be a deciding factor.

 

[meggonzo]

Meet Google, your new friend.

http://www.oregonlive.com/tonya-harding/2014/01/tonya_harding-nancy_kerrigan_h.html

If Tonya Harding were more calculating, she would know that this statement by the prosecutor would come back to haunt her. "Overheard" indeed.

But what fun is that if I can't share a snarky comment about Tonya?

I didn't have time to go down that rabbit hole and figured someone else would have the info anyways.

 

[5Ali3]

There's nothing about policing who buys a ticket, walks through the door of the building, or sits in the stands at unticketed events. If the person is readily recognizable, especially locally, it's possible that host club members might recognize them and try to make them leave the building, but there is no official requirement or authority for them to do so.

No, the people banned prior to, um, 2009? are not permitted to be present at events hosted by U.S. Figure Skating. The relevant language was deleted when the Grievance Committee rules were changed, but it should still apply since it was in place when they were banned. This became relevant when Bob Young purchased a ticket to 2003 Nationals, following his permanent ban, and attempted to coach from the stands. I don't know why the language was deleted, if it was an oversight or if the lawyers made U.S. Figure Skating remove it. Regardless, rinks are (generally) privately owned facilities that have wide latitude to deny entry/remove individuals. If any of the coaches banned for sexual abuse appeared at a competition, the police would be called immediately. (The people banned for embezzling from their club and other such violations - they're not as well-known and might be able to get away with being present at a competition simply because no one knows what they look like.)

Bob Young, of course, has moved on to his second career: photographing aspiring young models.

(Why is there no "vomit" emoji on FSU?)

re: the bolded part. It makes it impossible to earn a living coaching USFS skaters. Many more skaters test & compete in ISI and coaches who only work with them make a perfectly fine living. In fact, at one point, Tonya was coaching lower level students. That dried up after she threw a hubcap at her boyfriend, not because of the ban.

U.S. Figure Skating, the ISI, and PSA have a reciprocal agreement that any member banned from one organization is banned from the others, so no, Harding couldn't coach ISI. There are a handful of rinks in the country that are associated with neither U.S. Figure Skating nor ISI (including Learn to Skate programs) and have figure skating sessions, but it's a relatively small number.

Disclaimer: this is the only page of this thread I've read and plan to read.

 

[skatingguy]

(Why is there no "vomit" emoji on FSU?)