Gracie taking some time off to seek professional help

New to posting, but have lurked for years. Yazmeen- you've posted several times about Gracie being a brat and how you dislike her,yet now you suddenly care that an article was posted about her dad? Wasn't this article, or a similar one, linked on fsu recently? People in glass houses.

Lots of sour grapes about Dave in a thread that should be about Gracie. This stuff has been talked about in secret forums on boards for years. But because someone discusses it in the open suddenly he is the baddest man in figure skating.
I wish Gracie the best. Carry on

Oh please, Dave has a long way to go to be the "baddest man in figure skating". :rolleyes: If you've lurked for years, then you also know posters will call out people when they don't like their attitude and what they're saying.
 
Just because you are good at something does not mean you have to do it.

Well said. I found this out for myself when I was a little younger than she is now. It's tough when others want more out of it than you want for yourself and pressure you to keep going. If you don't want it for yourself, then there's no way you can truly give it 100+%. Yes, walking away meant I had to disappoint some folks, but ultimately my own happiness was most important.

*If* it's the case that Gold does not want to be a part of skating any more, she should realize it's totally in her power to walk away and who cares what the fans/media/family thinks. They'll get over it, eventually.
 
If this forum is not the appropriate place in which to speculate, then what is? This is the virtual living room of fs fans. Not a court house or a legal center that can be sued. I applaud Dave Lease for talking about possible specifics. I also applaud the Gracies and Julias of the sport for taking measures to try to improve their respective situations.
 
As for Dave Lease and TSL - well, their first couple of skater interviews were insightful but when they started their main "chit-chat" gossip that was it for me.

IMHO it does not serve anyone or do anybody any good to air out dirty laundry or secrets in public tweets or posts, even if it may be ultimately true. But honestly, it wasn't just him - it seemed to be a huge chunk of the skating world contributing to the overwhelming negativity surrounding GG in the past year or so. Seemed to reach a fever pitch in the weeks leading up to this announcement...
 
If this forum is not the appropriate place in which to speculate, then what is? This is the virtual living room of fs fans. Not a court house or a legal center that can be sued. I applaud Dave Lease for talking about possible specifics. I also applaud the Gracies and Julias of the sport for taking measures to try to improve their respective situations.
The real problem with what Dave Lease posts (imho) is not the information he publishes, is that you always feel like there is a mean streak about it. Even his posts about Gracie, basically stating she's being dumped by her federation felt like he was almost overjoyed by it all. It's great that he can have exclusive scoops on fs and it's definitely a welcome thing (for me at least, as I feel it can potentially increase the interest in the sport) but I don't want to feel like what I'm reading is not information but a stab at an athlete.
 
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The sport is very hard on ladies.


Who came out okay? Fleming, Fratianne, Sumners, Yamaguchi, Kadavy, Cohen, Sarah Hughes, and Emily Hughes.

I wouldn't say Fratianne or Sumners came out OK, at least not for many years. Both have admitted to not being able even to discuss their narrow losses for years. Fratianne wrapped her silver medal in toilet paper and put it under her bed. Sumners and her mother never(?) did discuss her silver.

As I read through this thread, I keep thinking about how different things are now than they were in, say, Bowman's era. Back then, we might get little tidbits during a televised competition or in a newspaper. With the internet, now everyone knows your business instantly. Certainly the news about Gracie Gold's dad wouldn't have been out there for everyone to dissect. We wouldn't have "inside information" coming out about champs camp. I'm thinking back to high school and how uncomfortable it was to be the subject of school gossip for a few days. Now there are thousands of people on internet message boards discussing these athletes' every issue. It has to be a bit crazy-making.
 
Why do people assume "seeking professional help" means depression? She could be seeing a sports psychologist. That was the first thing I thought of considering she was quoted saying it was on the ice she did not feel like herself. Coping with pressure etc...are issues they help with.

A sports psychologist usually works with an athlete while they are engaged in a sport, or when they're off with an injury but have a clear plan to return. The latter may be the case with Gracie, but that's not the vibe I am getting from her statements. So it's possible that she is working with a sports psychologist, but that wasn't one of the first thoughts that came to mind.
 
What gossip are you referring to specifically?
We are not going to turn it into a pissing match about Dave. But please, lets not pretend that posting an article about Gracie's father and telling the audience that Gracie needs "our compassion" has something to do with real respect and compassion. An insinuation that Gracie's issues are related to Dr. Gold's conduct are unsubstantiated gossip, unless Gracie herself comes out and says so.
 
Let's not kid ourselves...Dave Lease has not changed his message, only the style in which he delivers his message.
His cattiness is just more polished than his "Aunt Joyce Ice Cream Stand" days.

Back to Gracie...I honestly hope that she regains her health, and if that means leaving the sport of skating, so be it. She has the rest of her life in front of her and she needs to prepare for it.
 
We are not going to turn it into a pissing match about Dave. But please, lets not pretend that posting an article about Gracie's father and telling the audience that Gracie needs "our compassion" has something to do with real respect and compassion. An insinuation that Gracie's issues are related to Dr. Gold's conduct are unsubstantiated gossip, unless Gracie herself comes out and says so.

I'm not turning it into that at all. I work in emergency services and situations like Dr. Gold are far more common then they should be. Priscription pill abuse is a major problem. Not just for the addict but for their loved ones as well. Of course it's affecting her, along with the pressures of her sport. That is her parent. His problems started during or after worlds, not to mention he had an issue prior to that. I know that her mom does not work. Her father has no job- who do you think is taking care of that family financially. I did a ride along a few weeks ago- I comforted a teenager as her mother was being put in a body bag for the very same problem . But-what do I know.
 
Wow, taken me a while to go threw the latest posts.

For me, I don't want to know anything about her father and his business, I don't want to know any more about the whole Frank- jacket thing, I don't even want to nose into the whole getting professional help thing. I feel like these things are maybe too personal.

I also don't want dave to speak on behalf of USFSA or Gracie... or anyone for that matter.

But what I would be interested in knowing is just 1 thing.

What has she and Marina been doing for the past half a year..... Im curious how training went and what they did accomplish besides choosing music.

Did it work, did it not work? Did Gracie like her, did she not? And what did they work on. Just a bit curious as to that.
 
I'm not turning it into that at all. I work in emergency services and situations like Dr. Gold are far more common then they should be. Priscription pill abuse is a major problem. Not just for the addict but for their loved ones as well. Of course it's affecting her, along with the pressures of her sport. That is her parent. His problems started during or after worlds, not to mention he had an issue prior to that. I know that her mom does not work. Her father has no job- who do you think is taking care of that family financially. I did a ride along a few weeks ago- I comforted a teenager as her mother was being put in a body bag for the very same problem . But-what do I know.
Yes yes and yes. But when Perez Hilton, umm Dave Lease, brings up the subject that is SO PAINFUL to Gracie - and makes an insinuation that he has no right to make, the only thing he is doing is pouring salt on Gracie's wounds. Not asking for compassion. He wouldn't know compassion if it bit him in the arse.
 
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Wow, taken me a while to go threw the latest posts.

What has she and Marina been doing for the past half a year..... Im curious how training went and what they did accomplish besides choosing music.
I have been wondering the same thing. We can only speculate of course. I hope Marina offered Gracie some kindness and wisdom. I just feel so awful for Gracie, for many reasons. I hope things completely turn around for her, I hope she finds love and compassion and has a happy life, on and off the ice.
 
I'm not turning it into that at all. I work in emergency services and situations like Dr. Gold are far more common then they should be. Priscription pill abuse is a major problem. Not just for the addict but for their loved ones as well. Of course it's affecting her, along with the pressures of her sport. That is her parent. His problems started during or after worlds, not to mention he had an issue prior to that. I know that her mom does not work. Her father has no job- who do you think is taking care of that family financially. I did a ride along a few weeks ago- I comforted a teenager as her mother was being put in a body bag for the very same problem . But-what do I know.

None of this has anything to do with TSL's alleged compassion and content choices.
And I must have missed where people were claiming that substance abuse among doctors wasn't a problem or shouldn't be talked about.

None of us, including you, know anything about the Golds' financial situation or how the family has dealt with Dr. Gold's substance abuse. So since you have seen these kinds of situation at your work, I honestly don't know why you are OK with TSL claiming "compassion" in posting a story about Dr. Gold's problems, with no evidence that those have anything to do with Grace's problems.....
 
None of this has anything to do with TSL's alleged compassion and content choices.
And I must have missed where people were claiming that substance abuse among doctors wasn't a problem or shouldn't be talked about.

None of us, including you, know anything about the Golds' financial situation or how the family has dealt with Dr. Gold's substance abuse. So since you have seen these kinds of situation at your work, I honestly don't know why you are OK with TSL claiming "compassion" in posting a story about Dr. Gold's problems, with no evidence that those have anything to do with Grace's problems.....

For the obvious- How could it not and people need to open their eyes to that. This news has been public for months, lengthy articles. Everyone knows about this. It's nothing new. Do you think whispers behind her back are beneficial- I don't. Anyone who thinks her father's fentanyl addiction has not impacted her- you need to wake up. I am not a Gracie uber but I wish her the absolute best. I wish her family the best. And I hope any kid who is out there struggling, sees her taking this step and says I can do this too, I can help myself. I'll end it with that.
 
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For the obvious- How could it not and people need to open their eyes to that. This news has been public for months, lengthy articles. Everyone knows about this. It's nothing new. Do you think whispers behind her back are beneficial- I don't. Anyone who thinks her father's fentanyl addiction has not impacted her- you need to wake up. I am not a Gracie uber but I wish her the absolute best. I wish her family the best. And I hope any kid who is out there struggling, sees her taking this step and says I can do this too, I can help myself. I'll end it with that.
Perhaps I am taking this personally because I had experienced a substance abuse situation with a close family member. Devastating for everyone. I assure you that having some dude publicly link my struggles to my family member's substance abuse would be simply cruel. It would make me feel like I am being punished for another person's sins. Again. Because life punishes you enough when your father, sister, husband, etc. is an addict. It doesn't matter whether this clown publishes something that is already widely known. It doesn't matter whether his insinuations are true. Who the hell is he to make Gracie's suffering worse by using her family tragedy as click-bait?
 
Who came out okay? Fleming, Fratianne, Sumners, Yamaguchi, Kadavy, Cohen, Sarah Hughes, and Emily Hughes.

'Came out okay'? I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think you'd need to describe what you mean by that phrasing first, as well as how/why you've made up these separate categories. No one's life is that simple and uncomplicated. :p

Fratianne was very unhappy after feeling :wuzrobbed of gold at the 1980 Olympics. It was tough. I was younger and I didn't understand the sport a great deal, but I watched her and Poetsch skate at the Olympics. It was obvious who was the better all-around skater. As usual, there was politics involved in the scoring. Sumners was unhappy after not winning gold in 1984 vs Kat Witt. But Sumners fortunately went on to have a fulfilling career in professional skating (the good 'ol days of the professional tour and fun exhibitions). Kadavy had some bad luck in her skating career, but she came through it intact emotionally, and she also had some wonderful success as a professional.

Sasha Cohen has had plenty of ups-and-downs, but she seems to have carved out a very rewarding life after skating, and she seems very happily in love (and recently married). The Hughes clan stick together and both seem to have gotten more than they could have anticipated out of their skating careers. I will say that both had picture perfect laybacks, and leave it at that. :) Peggy and Kristi are great role models but I'm sure both would and have related some of the challenges they faced and overcame during their eligible careers. Kristi had a brilliant pro career, even better than her eligible career IMO. Peggy came up during a very different era, and her career was watched over and managed by her mother. For that matter, ditto mother-influence on Kristi's career.

Sorry for the OT. This thread is about Gracie.
 
I'm not turning it into that at all. I work in emergency services and situations like Dr. Gold are far more common then they should be. Priscription pill abuse is a major problem. Not just for the addict but for their loved ones as well. Of course it's affecting her, along with the pressures of her sport. That is her parent. His problems started during or after worlds, not to mention he had an issue prior to that. I know that her mom does not work. Her father has no job- who do you think is taking care of that family financially. I did a ride along a few weeks ago- I comforted a teenager as her mother was being put in a body bag for the very same problem . But-what do I know.

Is her father's situation likely to be affecting her? Yes. Do you (or Dave) have EVIDENCE that proves it's part of her crisis and that it's a major reason for her deciding to seek professional help? No, you don't. And that's the main point I've been trying to make about Dave bringing it up. But bringing it up gets him more attention and clicks and likes, and makes him look like more of an insider to her situation than he probably is, which he thrives on. Gracie needs space, compassion, and time to work on her issues. Not a pseudo-celebrity getting all the attention he can by milking her story.
 
For the obvious- How could it not and people need to open their eyes to that. This news has been public for months, lengthy articles. Everyone knows about this. It's nothing new. Do you think whispers behind her back are beneficial- I don't. Anyone who thinks her father's fentanyl addiction has not impacted her- you need to wake up.

Please let us know when you have some substantive proof that it does. You must know from your work that addiction affects every person and every family in different ways. And you must also know that some families would prefer to deal with the issues in private. Implying that one family member's problems worsened another family member's problems, without any proof, is disrespectful and thoughtless. Not beneficial.
 
Darling, I've written exactly one post in this thread - the one you quoted - and I did so because in my opinion, Frau Muller crossed a line. But hey, if you want to wallow in tackiness, be my guest.

And many disagree with you. This is a fan page. Fans speculate. What's "tacky" to some is freedom to others. We care about our favorite skaters. Nothing "tacky" in caring and speculating.
 

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