German Skating News - Part 3

I was just going to come and say that I thought Muller & Dieck made a good showing for themselves at Lake Placid. Much more confident at their debut this season than their early events last year. And I agree that they are maturing into a senior team. Personally, I like their free the best of their two programs. It gives me a similar vibe to Kaliszek & Spodiriev's Dirty Dancing program from last season. Fun and has a relationship and doesn't take itself too seriously. Stood out from the field, and regardless of our opinions, the judges liked it. Third in the FD. Above Pogrebinsky & Benoit due to their missed lift; but M&D also finished as the highest non-U.S. team in the competition, a ten point win over Kuzmichova & Sinicyn, above Canada's #5 & 6, and above the Finns. A good showing. Quite a nice sprinkling of the next generation at this event, I think.
 
Sabine-Yuna said:
Dastich will compete at JGP Salzburg. Interesting that Bock is listed as a substitute. So who knows she might do a JGP again...
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1) Good for Dastich to be send to the early jgp's, so she can focus on olympic qualifier later (which, of course, won't help! :EVILLE: #temschott)
2) Germany has 2 spots and the Fed is only sending 1 to the 'closest' jgp out there? :wall: (I totally do not get the sense of naming 6(!!!) substitutes then! :huh:) How much did the US fed pay to get these spots? :D
3) Bock - time will tell. Maybe she takes it as a test competition.

Who is the German dance team Luft/Kazimov entered for Salzburg? Never heard of either of them.
 
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Jeschke said:
1) Good for Dastich to be send to the early jgp's, so she can focus on olympic qualifier later (which, of course, won't help! :EVILLE: #temschott)
2) Germany has 2 spots and the Fed is only sending 1 to the 'closest' jgp out there? :wall: (I totally do not get the sense of naming 6(!!!) substitutes then! :huh:) How much did the US fed pay to get these spots? :D
3) Bock - time will tell. Maybe she takes it as a test competition.

Who is the German dance team Luft/Kazimov entered for Salzburg? Never heard of either of them.
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As far as I know GER has got just 1 spot for JGP Salzburg. They just have not used their Brisbane spot, so the US got this one. Luft/ Kazimov is a novice dance team from NRW (Dortmund) that has moved up to juniors.
 
Sabine-Yuna said:
As far as I know GER has got just 1 spot for JGP Salzburg. They just have not used their Brisbane spot, so the US got this one.
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Ah me and the rules :drama: I thought Dastichs Top10 finish at junior worlds secured 2 spots somehow. I have no clue. How are the rules here?

Edit: Found the answer myself: We have 1 junior ladies spot for 6 (of the 7) events :D
 
From the ISU JGP Announcement:

1 entry in 6 events: ISU Members placed seven (7) to ten (10) at the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships are entitled to enter one (1) Skater in six (6) events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating in the category concerned.
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You have to place Top Three to qualify for two spots.

Men: USA, RUS
Ladies: RUS, JPN
Pairs: AUS, RUS, CHN
Dance: USA, RUS
 
Found more info about the nominations criteria on the German NOK website; it's a bit tricky to understand (or I am too stupid, can be both :D )
https://www.dosb.de/fileadmin/Bilde...inierungskriterien_PyeongChang_2018_final.pdf

Easiest: The TOP-pair (original quote :rofl:) Savchenko/Massot will get nominated if they medal at GP or any world standing points competition.

All others need to achieve a score in named competitions; though they refer to a document where these competitons are named, i could not find any. I expect 'challenger series', though later they just speak of any competition where you can gain world standing points.
The score is decided by the goal of german fed and german nok. (goal = this score at olympic games);
They take 2015/16 and 2016/17 into evaluation to determine these scores.

Right now, the score of 2016/17 is missing. So you can just get a hint of in which area the scores might be.

As the qualification starts in autumn and the goal is to get these scores at olympic games, 10% will be deducted.

These are the scores to date (without update of 2016/17 season, though it was mentioned it will be updated right after worlds :shuffle:)

Ladies: 160pts (-10% ≈144pts)
Men: 225pts (-10% ≈ 202pts)
Pairs besides S/M: 184pts (-10% ≈ 166pts)
Ice Dance: 154pts (-10% ≈ 139pts)

I assume (regarding the level of the recent world champs) that the scores will go up a bit;
overall they seem pretty doable for Schott/Weinzierl (not too sure about Bock), Fentz and Liebers.
Ice Dance seems to be doable, too, I think even for all Top3 teams.
Pairs on the other hand; this is kinda high for either H/B (as a new team) or H/S.

If I understood it correctly, there will be a qualification race at special competitions (which are told to be named but aren't :wall:); the race includes 2 competitions + german champs. So if I got it right it's 2 challengers (I suppose) and Nationals; the scores will easily be summed up.

It would have been nice of NOK to have an updated version or even more nice by german fed in naming all the nominations criteria, and not only the ones for euros and worlds.

I guess Nebelhorn we will know the latest, maybe @Eislauffan knows more.

Until then, that's it.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
From the ISU JGP Announcement:



You have to place Top Three to qualify for two spots.

Men: USA, RUS
Ladies: RUS, JPN
Pairs: AUS, RUS, CHN
Dance: USA, RUS
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Top three ISU members, not top three individual placements. And for Pairs is is the top 4 ISU members:

Men: USA, RUS, KOR
Ladies: RUS, JPN, KOR
Pairs: AUS, RUS, CHN, CAN
Ice Dance: USA, RUS, CAN

Please see http://static.isu.org/media/515695/jgp2017-18_announcement_final.pdf and pages 15-18 have the lists of slots that were drawn
 
Thank you for the correction. Typical of ISU documentation, this is missing and contradicts the actual criteria, and you have to go to the allocations in the appendices to reverse-engineer what they actually meant.

The actual text is "ISU Members placed one (1) to three (3) at the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships," not "three highest-placed members."
 
kwanfan1818 said:
Thank you for the correction. Typical of ISU documentation, this is missing and contradicts the actual criteria, and you have to go to the allocations in the appendices to reverse-engineer what they actually meant.

The actual text is "ISU Members placed one (1) to three (3) at the previous ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships," not "three highest-placed members."
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Yes, it's as clear as mud :-)
 
Schwendinger/Wunderlich are still jgp-age-eligible?!
They are listed as subs for the Latvian JPG.
 
Shari Koch/Christian Nüchtern (along with several other teams) are currently in Charlotte, NC (USA) doing some summer training with Stefano Caruso and Mathew Gates. Normally, they train in Milan, Italy in Barbara Fusar-Poli's group :)
 
Jeschke said:
Schwendinger/Wunderlich are still jgp-age-eligible?!
They are listed as subs for the Latvian JPG.
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According to info I found, Ria was born September 25th, 1998, which makes her 18, about to turn 19...Valentin was born August 2nd, 1996, meaning he turned 21 just last week -- but the ISU rule to compete junior dance/pairs (on the top end) is you can't have turned 21 before the previous July 1st, so by a month, he's ok to still compete in juniors
 
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Jeschke said:
Mueller/Dieck came in 2nd in another US summer competition;
they have beaten Nazarova/Nikitin and Abachkina/Thauron.

German ice dance race: :watch:
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Not bad. Lorenz/Polizoakis were clearly behind Nazarova/Nikitin at Euros and Worlds. I`m curious now to see Koch/Nüchtern, they really impressed me in the second half of the last season.
 
Jeschke said:
Mueller/Dieck came in 2nd in another US summer competition;
they have beaten Nazarova/Nikitin and Abachkina/Thauron.

German ice dance race: :watch:
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Sorry Jeschke but I think you have wrong informations. M/D were 3rd after the SD ( 59 p). Hawayek/Baker and Muramoto/Reed were ahead. M/D were 4th in the FD ( 83 p).
Hawayek/Baker, Nazarova/Nikitin and Abachkina/Thauron ahead. Muramoto/Reed did not skate the FD.

Just to put correct informations out there ;-).
I saw the Results on ice-dance.com FB page!
 
figureskatingforlife said:
Sorry Jeschke but I think you have wrong informations. M/D were 3rd after the SD ( 59 p). Hawayek/Baker and Muramoto/Reed were ahead. M/D were 4th in the FD ( 83 p).
Hawayek/Baker, Nazarova/Nikitin and Abachkina/Thauron ahead. Muramoto/Reed did not skate the FD.

Just to put correct informations out there ;-).
I saw the Results on ice-dance.com FB page!
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Yes, I think you are right. Someone was kind enough to add the SD and FD scores together in the Kiss & Cry thread; but I think Mueller & Dieck's total was off by ten. If their total is really 142.74, then 3rd overall, I believe. (If the two portions were to be added together).
 
Ah seems right; I did not calculate myself, just saw the scores in the other thread.

Either way, I think they are on a good track and I am curious how german fed decides who to send to oberstdorf, though I am pretty sure it will be L/P.
 
Good for Dastich. I think this season we can't take anything for granted except in Pairs. It will be interesting to see the battle between Liebers and Fentz. It will be interesting to see which girl gets the ticket and in Dance anyway. I think M/D improved a lot stylewise and boy they've got some good latin moves going but i think they are just SO slow which no one is at Euros/Worlds level. I am still not sure what to think about their FD. I like the idea but the music cuts seem not to work for me and they have so many stops in the program... again the speed.
I can't wait to see Koch/Nuchtern's new material but I am sure Barbara gives her everything. I think they are the real under dog here. And I of course can't wait for L/P. I hope she is healthy. They seem happy on social media. I've heard that the coaching change works well for them and they have great programs. Zoueva is apparently very invested in them. It's going to be interesting to see if they really attend the Test Skate though. I guess we'll know more this week.
 
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