FSU Watch (and judge!) party: 98 Worlds ladies SP - SAT, MAY 30th @ 12pm CDT / 7pm CET

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No one had lurve for Jo Carter :wuzrobbed. She literally had one mistake - like most others. And her elements were very good.

I thought about putting Hubert first - the program was so interesting and different, but the "creative" approaches to the spiral sequence and footwork were perhaps a bit too creative. I still thought she had the best presentation of the day.
I felt what she was trying to do, but I don't think it was effective at all. She moved as if she didn't know what she was doing. As 'creative' as those sequences were, there was hardly any real substance there. Plus the flip deserved a 0.3 if not a 0.4 deduction.

Kwan was tight and seemed slightly off her music to me.
She was.

I love Slutskaya, but wow, was she gifted. She was just going through the motions.
Like Nagano, I can't really justify having her lower despite the mistake. She was wooden like she always was, but the elements were top notch.
 

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No one had lurve for Jo Carter :wuzrobbed. She literally had one mistake - like most others. And her elements were very good.
I didn't really care for the staccato movements and the karate/quick arms throughout her program. It's actually something she seemed to fit into all of her short programs in her career ;) Axel landing was on the inside edge, loop landing didn't have a tremendous runout, flying spin was just okay, first part of combo spin was extremely weak, and the footwork was pretty much all one direction if not ALL one direction even if it was flashy. Considering all of that, I still only had her 0.1 technically behind my queen Butyrskaya-- who I did absolutely no favors for compared to most people here! :lol:

I felt what she was trying to do, but I don't think it was effective at all. She moved as if she didn't know what she was doing. As 'creative' as those sequences were, there was hardly any real substance there. Plus the flip deserved a 0.3 if not a 0.4 deduction.
Flip should've been hit for the hand down and for the lack of steps going in. I thought I was going to be much harsher on her considering her spins were average at best and I had questions about the spirals, but I do think at the least there should've been a deduction for starting the footwork that far away from the boards.
 

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As I was judging in order, I think I might have placed Gusmeroli 1-2 spots higher had she performed at the end of the evening. I was essentially sticking to the (almost) first skater base mark.

Joanne Carter-Agreed with @Tony Wheeler I had .1 off for pause between the steps and footwork, though it really wasn’t that much worse than others. I think this was also a skate order issue for many judges, but I wasn’t going high with the presentation.

Slutskaya also benefited from the skate order in my judging. I figured she would place out of my top 6. By the time she took the ice, I was a bit tired of slow programs with slow spins. The 3 loop out of steps was great among some other decent elements with good speed.
 
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Axel landing was on the inside edge, loop landing didn't have a tremendous runout, flying spin was just okay, first part of combo spin was extremely weak, and the footwork was pretty much all one direction if not ALL one direction even if it was flashy.
She held that back camel in the flying camel for 10+. Same for layback. With good speed. Combo spin was good but can deduct a 0.1 if you feel first part was under rev. 3 distinct spirals with 2 of them visibly held out and on a deep edge, and the last one was held long enough. Steps were simple but at least completed the pattern. She zoomed into the loop and I didn't / wouldn't deduct for a gap after the steps because she was already better than most (off the top of my head, only Slutskaya and Liashenko had more immediate steps). Axel should have a 0.1 deduction for wrong edge landing. All in all, 2 minor deductions at most plus a major mistake of doubling the lutz in the combo.

Aside from the jump combo and axel, Carter did every other element visibly more completely and better than Hubert. Granted the jump combo was most important / valued, I still struggle to see how so many seem to have Hubert at least 0.5 ahead of Carter on the first mark. The flip had no steps and a hand down, the spirals had no positions held over 0.5 second and the attempts were more like kicks, the steps as you said only started 1/3 down the rink length. I said earlier I wouldn't be too strict on pattern but hers was too obvious. The spins were slow and had subpar positions, and also questionable revs. Given all the deductions and content issues I can hardly justify a technical score for Hubert above a 5.0.

One interesting point highlighted from all the high scores for Hubert is that, under 6.0 the judges were at their liberty to take mandatory deductions and give a technical score based on overall impression. Under IJS the judges have to be accountable for the GOE for each individual element and I wanna say the technical panel would probably have come into play regarding the validity of those sequences.
 
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Panel 1 results


I changed the composition of the panels slightly, based on order received. This way I could get the first panel compiled now. I will get the second panel's marks compiled tomorrow night, after the Monday night deadline.

The tables in the text editor were not cooperating well, so I (very) quickly threw this page together, for easier viewing of detailed results and download of the pdf.

Panel 1 judges
judge 1 UZB @alchemy void
judge 2 SVK @Tony Wheeler
judge 3 GER @Jeschke
judge 4 BLR @Ninel' Pinskaya
judge 5 ITA @Louis
judge 6 CAN @Erin
judge 7 FRA @casken
judge 8 HGK @Marco
judge 9 JPN @skateboy

Panel 1 results:
(Numbers on right hand side: 98 Worlds placement/FSU's difference from 98):
1 Michelle KWAN USA 0.5 1/0
2 Anna RECHNIO POL 2/0
3 Laetitia HUBERT FRA 3/0
4 Elena LIASHENKO UKR 6/+2
5 Tatiana MALININA UZB 7/+2
6 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS 4/-2
7 Vanessa GUSMEROLI FRA 7/0
8 Maria BUTYRSKAYA RUS 5/-3
9 Tonia KWIATKOWSKI USA 8/-1
10 Yulia VOROBIEVA AZE 11/+1
11 Elena SOKOLOVA RUS 13/-2
12 Tanja SZEWCZENKO GER 10/-2
13 Yulia LAVRENCHUK UKR 12/-1
14 Zuzana PAUROVA SVK 14/0
15 Lenka KULOVANA CZE 17/+2
16 Marie Pierre LERAY 18/+2
17 Silvia FONTANA ITA 21/+4
18 Diana POTH HUN 15/-3
19 Lucinda RUH SUI 24/+5
20 Joanne CARTER AUS 16/-4
21 Angela DEROCHIE CAN 19/-2
22 Mojca KOPAC SLO 23/+1
23 Julia SEBESTYEN HUN 20/-3
24 Shizuka ARAKAWA JPN 22/-2

Text results:

1 Michelle KWAN USA
5.6 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.2 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.7
6.0 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.7 6.0 5.9 5.9 5.9
11.6 11.5 11.4 11.5 10.9 11.7 11.6 11.6 11.6
1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1

2 Anna RECHNIO POL
5.7 5.5 5.7 5.4 5.1 5.8 5.5 5.5 5.5
5.8 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.8 5.7 5.7
11.5 11.1 11.4 11.0 10.6 11.3 11.3 11.2 11.2
2 2 1 2 3 2 2 2 2

3 Laetitia HUBERT FRA
5.4 5.2 5.5 5.3 5.1 5.7 5.4 5.0 5.1
5.7 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.4 5.8 5.5 5.6
11.1 10.8 11.1 11.0 10.9 11.1 11.2 10.5 10.7
3 5 3 3 2 3 3 12 8

4 Elena LIASHENKO UKR
5.5 5.4 5.5 5.2 5.0 5.4 5.1 5.6 5.2
5.5 5.5 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.7 5.7
11.0 10.9 11.1 11.0 10.5 10.8 10.6 11.3 10.9
4 3 3 4 4 4 10 2 5

5 Tatiana MALININA UZB
5.5 5.6 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.4 5.3 5.6 5.6
5.3 5.1 5.4 5.5 4.5 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.3
10.8 10.7 11.0 10.9 9.7 10.7 10.6 10.9 10.9
6 6 5 5 15 5 8 4 4

6 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS
5.3 5.2 5.3 5.2 5.0 5.1 5.4 5.3 5.2
5.6 5.5 5.4 5.7 5.4 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.6
10.9 10.7 10.7 10.9 10.4 10.7 11.1 10.9 10.8
5 7 9 6 6 6 4 5 8

7 Vanessa GUSMEROLI FRA
5.1 5.2 5.2 4.9 4.9 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.1
5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.4 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.6
10.7 10.9 10.7 10.5 10.3 10.6 10.8 10.8 10.7
7 4 12 8 7 8 6 6 8

8 Maria BUTYRSKAYA RUS
4.9 4.8 5.0 4.9 4.9 5.0 5.1 5.0 4.5
5.8 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.5
10.7 10.5 10.7 10.3 10.5 10.7 10.7 10.7 10.0
8 10 13 10 5 7 7 8 14

9 Tonia KWIATKOWSKI USA
5.1 5.0 5.3 5.0 4.8 5.0 5.3 5.1 5.2
5.5 5.6 5.5 5,3 5.5 5.2 5.5 5.4 5.6
10.6 10.6 10.8 5.0 10.3 10.2 10.8 10.5 10.8
9 9 8 9 8 12 5 11 6

10 Yulia VOROBIEVA AZE
4.8 5.2 5.4 5.3 5.1 5.4 5.2 5.1 5.5
5.1 5.2 5.5 5.5 5.0 4.9 5.4 5.1 5.6
9.9 10.4 10.9 10.8 10.1 10.3 10.6 10.2 11.1
14 11 6 7 10 9 9 14 3

11 Elena SOKOLOVA RUS
5.1 5.1 5.3 4.9 4.8 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.0
5.4 5.5 5.4 5.3 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6
10.5 10.6 10.7 10.2 10.0 10.3 10.5 10.7 10.6
10 8 9 11 12 10 12 7 10

12 Tanja SZEWCZENKO GER
5.0 4.6 5.2 4.7 4.8 4.8 5.0 5.0 4.7
5.5 5.6 5.7 5.4 5.4 5,5 5.4 5.6 5.6
10.5 10.2 10.9 10.1 10.2 4.8 10.4 10.6 10.3
11 13 7 15 9 11 14 10 12

13 Yulia LAVRENCHUK UKR
4.9 4.9 5.1 4.8 4.8 4.9 5.1 5.1 4.7
5.3 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.3 5,3 5.1 5.3 5.2
10.2 10.0 10.3 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.2 10.4 9.9
12 14 15 12 11 13 16 13 16

14 Zuzana PAUROVA SVK
5.0 5.1 5.1 4.9 4,5 4.9 5.2 5.0 4.9
5.0 5.1 4.7 5.0 4,5 4.9 5.2 5.0 5.0
10.0 10.2 9.8 9.9 9.0 9.8 10.4 10.0 9.9
13 12 20 17 16 15 13 15 15

15 Lenka KULOVANA CZE
4.6 4.6 5.0 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.6 4.4 4.6
5.3 5.4 5.4 5.0 5.4 5.2 5.4 5.0 5.4
9.9 10.0 10.4 9.3 9.9 9.8 10.0 9.4 10.0
15 16 14 22 14 17 20 21 13

16 Marie Pierre LERAY FRA
4.7 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.6 4.8 4.9 4.8 5.0
5.1 5.2 5.1 5.2 5,4 5.0 5.2 5.2 5.5
9.8 9.9 9.9 9.9 10.0 9.8 10.1 10.0 10.5
18 17 16 18 13 16 19 16 11

17 Silvia FONTANA ITA
4.5 4.6 4.7 4.4 4.0 4.7 5 4.7 4.3
5.4 5.3 5.2 4.8 4.9 5.2 5.6 5.1 5.4
9.9 9.9 9.9 9.2 8.9 9.9 10.6 9.8 9.7
16 18 19 23 18 14 11 18 19

18 Diana POTH HUN
4.9 4.8 5.3 4.9 4.6 4.5 4.8 4.8 4.7
4.9 4.9 5.4 5.2 4.0 4.8 5 4.8 5.2
9.8 9.7 10.7 10.1 8.6 9.3 9.8 9.6 9.9
17 21 10 13 19 23 21 19 16

19 Lucinda RUH SUI
4.1 4.3 4.8 4.4 4.0 4.4 4.7 4.2 4.4
5.1 5.3 5.1 5.3 5.0 5.3 5,5 5.2 5.3
9.2 9.6 9.9 9.7 9.0 9.7 4.7 9.4 9.7
23 22 16 19 17 19 17 22 18

20 Joanne CARTER AUS
4.6 4.7 4.9 4.8 4.2 4.6 4.9 5.1 4.4
4.9 5.1 4.9 5.3 4.6 4.8 5.4 5.5 4.6
9.5 9.8 9.8 10.1 8.8 9.4 10.3 10.6 9.0
21 19 19 14 21 22 15 9 24

21 Angela DEROCHIE CAN
4.7 4.6 4.8 4.6 3.4 4.8 4.7 4.9 4.7
5.1 5.2 5.1 5.0 4.2 4.9 5 5 4.5
9.8 9.8 9.9 9.6 7.6 9.7 9.7 9.9 9.2
20 19 16 20 24 18 22 17 23

22 Mojca KOPAC SLO
4.6 4.8 4.7 4.3 4.0 4.5 4.9 4.5 4.8
5.2 5.2 4.9 4.7 4.5 5.0 5.3 4.9 4.5
9.8 10.0 9.6 9.0 8.5 9.5 10.2 9.4 9.3
19 15 23 24 22 20 18 20 22

23 Julia SEBESTYEN HUN
4.5 4.3 4.6 4.4 3.8 4.4 4.6 4.5 4.8
4.8 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.8 4.8 4.8 4.8 4.8
9.3 9.3 9.4 9.5 8.6 9.2 9.4 9.3 9.6
22 23 24 21 20 24 23 23 20

24 Shizuka ARAKAWA JPN
4.3 4.4 4.8 5.0 4.0 4.5 4.4 4.4 4.6
4.6 4.7 5.0 5.0 4.3 4.9 4.9 4.9 5.0
8.9 9.1 9.8 10.0 8.3 9.4 9.3 9.3 9.6
24 24 22 16 23 21 24 24 21
 
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Panel 1 results


I changed the composition of the panels slightly, based on order received. This way I could get the first panel compiled now. I will get the second panel's marks compiled tomorrow night, after the Monday night deadline.
Wow, thank you for your very hard work!
 

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Thank you so much @alchemy void :respec:

Hubert 2 -12
Vorobieva 3 - 14
Malinina 4 - 15
Poth 10 - 23

I guess FSU panel just fit right in to original judges :gallopin1 :rofl:
 
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1) Skater whom the FSU panel places most above where she finished
Lucinda Ruh!

2) Skater whom the FSU panel places most below where she finished
Joanne Carter. Surprise to me. I would've put money on Slute or Bute.

3) Skater with the largest difference between highest and lowest ordinals, according to the FSU panel
Also Joanne Carter: 9th to 24th!

4) Whether or not the FSU panel has at least one skater with a 13-placement ordinal spread, as the actual panel did
Yes, just two - Carter (15) and Poth (13).

Plus, Fontana 12, Vorobieva and Malinina 11, Hubert 10.

5) # / % of the final free skate group that would be the same, according to the FSU panel
Surprisingly to me, 5/6. Butyrskaya booted; Malinina included.

6) Whether or not first place ordinals are unanimous from the FSU panel
Nope, one for Rechnio!

7) Skater with the widest range of required elements marks from the FSU panel
Angela Derochie: 3.4 to 4.9

8) Whether any skater has a range of at least 1.2 for required elements, which (I believe) was the widest range of the actual panel.
Just Derochie. Arakawa and Fontana each had 4.0 to 5.0; Sebestyen 3.8 to 4.8

9) Whether the FSU panel's results would have caused any flip-flops
Haven't calculated yet, but I suspect yes.

10) Whether the results of the FSU would be the same using TOM or OBO calculation methods :COP:.
I think yes, but have not done a full calculation to verify.

Six judges (BLR, ITA, CAN, FRA, HKG, and JPN) had Leray ahead of Kulovana, yet Kulovana had a majority of sixteenths to Leray's seventeenths.

Also, five judges (UZB, SVK, BLR, FRA, HKG) had Carter ahead of Ruh, yet Ruh had one more nineteenth or better placement.

Also, five judges (UZB, SVK, ITA, FRA, JPN) had Kopac ahead of Derochie, but Derochie had one more twentieth or better placement.
 

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Sorry, this weekend went away from me, and I wasn’t able to finish, but I did give Joanne Carter a 3.8 in tech. I guess that was too low even compared to Louis’ metric, haha. I counted one point in deduction froM the BV in tech. I wrote these notes for her:

Bad carriage; 2/2 with flutz; easy steps to loop wild exit leg not too big; hunched back; not enough revolutions in combo spin first part; bad positions; spirals just ok not held but 3 positions; steps in one direction easy; great layback; weird 2a landing but done long set up; good flying camel.

I also don’t know how anyone could give Kwan less than first place given how complete and difficult that choreo was and how much better her carriage was compared to most of the competition and that that spiral sequence was way above everyone else’s and covered an incredible amount of ice. Her BV even with the solo toe loop was higher than most other competitors’ choreography and elements outside of a loop/flip jump and a double loop combo maybe.
 

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A few quick random thoughts. I'll add more later:
  • Were any of our judges as bullshit crazy as the HUN judge back in 98?
  • Poth's ordinals, 10th to 23rd. :rofl: I think even my 17th place ordinal might have been generous.Everything was weak.
  • Ruh. I understand spins and presentation getting more credit, but I still feel like she's overrated a bit here. She didn't even come close to landing a triple.
  • ITA's 3.4 for Derochie made me laugh out loud. But I'm curious, why so much lower than everyone else? I think she's a fairly solid skater.
  • I do wonder if Carter's lower placement might be a bit of IJS bias towards popping/doubling out: ie, it's better to rotate and fall than stand up and double. I remember liking her somewhere else but I don't think this program did her any favors at all.
  • Vorobieva was overscored here. I deducted 0.4 for cheating the lutz and flip. Axel terribly telegraphed and barely rotated. Good spins, yes, but no connection to the music at all. And as everyone should know by now, the only proper way to wear a purple and green dress is to pair it with orange illusion fabric and lime green undergarments. ;)
I'll get everyone else's scores for panel #2 up sometime tomorrow.
 

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And now the next important question:
When will we do an IJS event? And which? :watch:
Good question. Anyone who would be interested in sharing some of the workload? :) Honestly, I would be happy to compile the results and judge, if someone could to facilitate: (a) which event to judge; (b) watch parties, etc.
 

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Sorry, this weekend went away from me, and I wasn’t able to finish, but I did give Joanne Carter a 3.8 in tech. I guess that was too low even compared to Louis’ metric, haha. I counted one point in deduction froM the BV in tech. I wrote these notes for her:

Bad carriage; 2/2 with flutz; easy steps to loop wild exit leg not too big; hunched back; not enough revolutions in combo spin first part; bad positions; spirals just ok not held but 3 positions; steps in one direction easy; great layback; weird 2a landing but done long set up; good flying camel.
That means if she had done the 3lutz2toe and landed the loop and axel better, and had one more rev on the combo spin, your starting / maximum technical merit mark for her would have been 4.8?
 

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That means if she had done the 3lutz2toe and landed the loop and axel better, and had one more rev on the combo spin, your starting / maximum technical merit mark for her would have been 4.8?
Compared to other ladies who also had that combo but superior elements otherwise, and I put them at a bv of like 5.6-5.7, I’d say yeah. I took other elements into account and as a whole in trying to determine difficulty. Maybe I was extra harsh for her but I felt her approaching 5.0 for a “clean” routine With the proper spin rotation but everything else being the same was fair for her.
 

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I also don’t know how anyone could give Kwan less than first place[....]
I thought she was a clear first, but a narrow first. There were issues: flutz (really floop - I'd have called it 3Lze with a -3 in today's system), wonky double axel, poor layback.... That said, other skaters had more issues.* I agree with you that the spiral sequence and footwork sequence were top notch and made the difference for me, and the choreography and general precision of her skating was the best in the field.

*Hubert's solo jump was basically a full deduction, with few steps and a hand down; plus the step sequences were a bit "WTF" in a way that I can't decide was hysterically bad or hysterically good but didn't deserve full marks in either instance. Rechno had no steps at all into her loop and started to get sloppy at the end. Liashenko's flip also lacked steps and may have been two-footed.

Poth's ordinals, 10th to 23rd. :rofl: I think even my 17th place ordinal might have been generous.Everything was weak.
I was surprised that the actual panel rated her as highly as it did. I thought she skated like a weak junior. Were they blinded by the triple-triple attempt?

ITA's 3.4 for Derochie made me laugh out loud. But I'm curious, why so much lower than everyone else? I think she's a fairly solid skater.
Slow, cautious skating with "airplane" arms for most of the program; no stretch or extension; exceptionally weak layback and spiral sequence (no back stretch, no leg stretch, spirals couldn't hit an arabesque position and were held for half a second each). The flutz attempt didn't look credible to me - underrotated and like she was planning to fall, without a prayer of landing it. The music couldn't have possibly been more "elevator music," and I thought her skating was wooden with minimal facial expression or (at best) a scowl. The overall impression was far from world class.

I do wonder if Carter's lower placement might be a bit of IJS bias towards popping/doubling out: ie, it's better to rotate and fall than stand up and double. I remember liking her somewhere else but I don't think this program did her any favors at all.
I marked her in the "two serious errors" camp: the double flutz and no steps / long pause leading into the loop.
 

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I thought she was a clear first, but a narrow first. There were issues: flutz (really floop - I'd have called it 3Lze with a -3 in today's system), wonky double axel, poor layback....
Her layback was not the best, but I wouldn't use the word 'poor', since she maintained good speed and a passable position throughout, and esp since others in the top group include Hubert, Butyrskaya and Malinina. Hubert's bordered on ridiculous. The best ones were by Ruh, Slutskaya, Carter (!!!), Liashenko and Rechnio.

*Hubert's solo jump was basically a full deduction, with few steps and a hand down; plus the step sequences were a bit "WTF" in a way that I can't decide was hysterically bad or hysterically good but didn't deserve full marks in either instance.
And also - what you said about Derochie below also apply to Hubert:

exceptionally weak layback and spiral sequence (no back stretch, no leg stretch, spirals couldn't hit an arabesque position and were held for half a second each).
Liashenko's flip also lacked steps and may have been two-footed.
Depends on how you look at the pick in (camera angle didn't help), she was either on a very deep outside edge or on a flat to slight inside edge when she picked in.

Re: Poth
I was surprised that the actual panel rated her as highly as it did. I thought she skated like a weak junior. Were they blinded by the triple-triple attempt?
I don't want to be inappropriate but she was 16 and wearing what looked like lingerie.

Re: Carter
I marked her in the "two serious errors" camp: the double flutz and no steps / long pause leading into the loop.
She had steps, but there was a definite gap. I wonder if judges were supposed to judge this by reference to the field or by their own standards (break of rhythm). Out of these 24, I can hardly identify more than a handful who wouldn't take a deduction if Rechnio and Carter were considered to warrant one.

I suppose I am the odd one out for her anyways, and the burden should be for me to explain - but for the record I just feel quite bad that she was placed behind Poth, Fontana and Ruh who were clearly not on the same league.
 

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And also - what you said about Derochie below also apply to Hubert:
I don't mean to be a Hubert uber (even though I am) :lol:, but I thought her layback was decent (clearly better than Derochie or Kwan): Hubert increased speed, had an interesting change of position and a pleasant arm position. Back bend was not great, leg position had no turnout. Derochie started with not much speed and ran out by the end; I'm not sure she could have managed another two revolutions without completely stopping.

Hubert's spiral sequence was WTF :rofl: , but I give her credit for finding interesting positions, keeping the sequence moving at high speed, and at least hitting a couple of decent edges. Derochie just looked like an intermediate lady or an adult skater with very basic spirals done poorly.

I still think Laetitia is one of the all-time greats: dramatic (intentionally and otherwise), voidy to the max, skated like a bull in a china shop, and never did anything ordinary. :respec: She and Olga Markova will always be among my all-time favorites.

I suppose I am the odd one out for her anyways, and the burden should be for me to explain - but for the record I just feel quite bad that she was placed behind Poth, Fontana and Ruh who were clearly not on the same league.
Skate order probably played a factor, both because she skated early and because she skated after one of the few clean programs (Paurova). When I evaluated Carter, I looked at two serious errors (and nothing harder than a triple loop), v. no serious errors (and a triple loop).
 

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Good question. Anyone who would be interested in sharing some of the workload? :) Honestly, I would be happy to compile the results and judge, if someone could to facilitate: (a) which event to judge; (b) watch parties, etc.
I am willing to be of some help here:
Biggest problem might be to find an almost complete event after all this youtube-blockings.

I try and check what might have the most vids available. Anyone has a specific event in mind?
Send your suggestions in here.
 

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Jeschke, some recent men's event might be interesting. I'd be curious to see how my marks would come out and how others would rate the skaters. Maybe a recent Euros or Worlds? Or even a Grand Prix event? Something between 2014-2018?
 

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Just checked for a second. Following events are fully available.
(I check more tomorrow)
Olympics 2010 Men FS :EVILLE:

Worlds 2019 Ladies FS
Worlds 2019 Men SP
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