Don’t worry, Annabelle Morozov will save Russian Ice dance, they should be 12th on ISU season best list after Golden Spin...
From Russia with Love [#35]: Winter 2019
- Thread starter Sylvia
- Start date
I honestly think that Tukt is positioning herself like Adam Rippon. I don't know how she is viewed in Russia compared to the 3A's, but if you look at her Instagram and youtube videos of her performances, people seem to be very excited that she's doing the jumps that she is doing and adding more difficulty at her age. Fans really love athletes who stay in long enough for them to gain familiarity. I think if she were American, she would be very popular and beloved here for her perseverance. Of course she would probably be the top skater here as well, but in Russia, is she inspiring? She's really cute, spunky and sexy as hell. Is she gaining traction in media popularity in Russia?
I think Tukt has a few more quads in her- as long as she continues to receive financial support, I hope she continues to try.
Exactly. This is so unfair to these talented athletes.
Nice way to win medals for non Russians! (sarcasm).
Thanks. See below
If you view the articles in google chrome, and then press translate in settings, you will be able to read them in English
Российские пары заняли весь пьедестал в юниорском финале Гран-при
Лучшими стали Аполлинария Панфилова и Дмитрий Рылов.m.sovsport.ru
Сергей Шахрай: Заметили бы судьи ошибку китайцев, лидировали ли бы Бойкова и Козловский
Наш обозреватель Сергей Шахрай – о судействе, невнятном Самарине, ошибке Ханю и американке Алисе Лю.
Сергей Шахрай: Косторная – сегодняшний эталон в женском катании
Наш обозреватель Сергей Шахрай подвел итоги финала Гран-при в Турине.
Анна Щербакова: У меня теперь еще больше желания исполнить флип!
Серебряный призер финала Гран-при по фигурному катанию – о своем выступлении.
Русский Матч Звезд Мира. Косторная, Щербакова и Трусова заняли весь пьедестал Гран-при
В Турине завершился финальный турнир серии Гран-при. Последнее золото с мировым рекордом завоевала Алена Косторная.
У наших юниоров – два золота Гран-при из трех. Ждем пяти четверных от Трусовой
В финале Гран-при в Турине у России – еще один чемпионский титул. Лучшими среди юниоров в парном катании стали Апполинария Панфилова и Дмитрий Рылов.
Сергей Шахрай: Трусова в произвольной может «привезти» всем 20 баллов и выиграть
Наш обозреватель Сергей Шахрай – о главных событиях второго дня финала Гран-при в Турине.Загитова обратилась к болельщикам: Для меня ваша любовь – дороже золота
Ранее 17-летняя спортсменка отказалась от участия в показательных прокатах из-за травмы.Алина Загитова – о своем состоянии: Я очень расстроена. Сложно говорить
Ранее 17-летняя спортсменка отказалась от участия в показательных выступлениях.Даниил Глейхенгауз: Спасибо Алине Загитовой за то, что боролась
Хореограф фигуристок группы Этери Тутберидзе Даниил Глейхенгауз поддержал Алину Загитову после ее выступления в финале Гран-при в Турине.Александра Трусова: Соревноваться по юниорам было скучно!
Своими эмоциями от проката поделилась Александра Трусова, занявшее третье место в финале Гран-при.Алена Косторная: Каждая из нас – отдельная личность
Победительница финала Гран-при Алена Косторная поделилась эмоциями по окончании соревнований.Александра Трусова: Четверной флип был одной из задач на финал
Российская фигуристка первой в истории исполнила четверной флип на официальных соревнованиях.Анна Щербакова: От баллов нет никаких ощущений – больше всего хотелось сделать флип
Российская фигуристка стала второй в финале Гран-при.Косторная победила в финале Гран-при с мировым рекордом, Щербакова – вторая, Трусова – третья
Загитова опустилась на шестое место.
Камила Валиева: Произвольной программой, в принципе, я довольна
Победительница юниорского финала Гран-при Камила Валиева делится своими эмоциями после победы.
Искусство войны от Тутберидзе. Валиева отказалась от четверных - и перехитрила Лю
Первое золото финала Гран-при-2019 завоевала российская юниорка Камила Валиева, парадоксальным образом обыгравшая Алису Лю из США.
«Удивился, когда узнал, что я первый». Мозалев лидирует после короткой программы
После первого соревновательного дня финала Гран-при российские юниоры занимают ведущие места в двух видах программы из трех.Александра Степанова и Иван Букин: По вопросам судейства нечего ответить
Российский дуэт Александра Степанова и Иван Букин поделился впечатлениями от выступления в финале Гран-при.Сергей Шахрай: Нужно отдать должное тактической мудрости Этери Тутберидзе
Наш обозреватель Сергей Шахрай – о победе Камилы Валиевой в финале Гран-при в Турине.
Maofan, you rock!
Gris
不做奴才做公民
- Messages
- 1,710
Don’t worry, Annabelle Morozov will save Russian Ice dance, they should be 12th on ISU season best list after Golden Spin...
So Annabelle and partner are likely to be guaranteed a GP spot next season then.
The ISU is a major event organisation. See links below
Major Event Organizations
Major Event Organizations (MEOs) refer to the continental aswww.wada-ama.org
Hence, this is likely to affect world championships, Euro's, Rostelecom (indeed any event organised by the ISU), as well as the Olympics. Likely to be a lot of fan boycotts by way of protest at WADA's disgusting conduct, so hope they appeal.
I am about to boycott these mock events where athletes are disqualified simply because of their nationality. It is pointless to watch anything.
Carolla5501
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 7,456
I think some of you are panicking early. I actually won’t be at all surprised if the only difference is the flag and it’s an entire team qualifying just like it is now. So at worlds next year it’s “unknown county” who will win 3 spots for the Olympic Games. And next year we have a full team of “unknown county”.
VALuvsMKwan
Codger level achieved
- Messages
- 9,210
I am about to boycott these mock events where athletes are disqualified simply because of their nationality. It is pointless to watch anything.
And who is stopping you, much less be affected by your actions?
Tinami Amori
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 20,153
Relax people, it's not WWIII... 
like an old saying "and that shall pass".
The "core of the problem" with data manipulation are "individual interests", although the manipulation was arranged by "individuals" who are working for a Russian government agency, so that's a gray area "individuals" vs. "government employees".
The data that was manipulated, in the period of 2018/early 2019 before the files were turned over, is for few individuals, mostly former athletes, who are holding prominent positions currently, and can not have their reputation dismissed. Those who manipulated "the data" were given "private interest incentive" to manipulate it, by "private individuals" benefiting from it.
Until recently, the "National Pride and Medals" that was the driving force behind whatever "questionable" might have taken place in Russian Sports Federations and ROC. These officials were interested in doing "what's best and how to win" because they received bonuses, salary increases, other benefits when "their Federation won medals".
There were always internal games and manipulations between coaches and athletes, with in their own club, or with competing clubs, using mostly influence and personal connections. But the bottom line for the Federations were to advance the athletes who can WIN medals, because that sports Federation would get the most benefits, which became pay raises, travel benefits, bonuses, etc.
Recently there is a new "thing" - private sponsors, show/events/publicity money, from which Sports Feds to receive a cut into their budget, but given it is "private business interests" who contribute the most, there is also a possibility of "pay offs and kick backs" from whatever athletes receive. Certain sponsors are interest in keeping certain athletes afloat and/or their reputation clean, even if they are former athletes.
If before russian sports feds benefited the most from "sending the best" and "protecting the best", now it is about "individuals and how much they get from another individual or an entity".
What happened with data manipulation is simply this "former athletes who had issues with data" came to "individuals in a government agency" and paid them to manipulate the data from past events. The individuals in the government agency receive basic salaries, nothing compared to "huge money" others make in front of them, the bonuses are petty in comparison. They act and think "every man for himself", today they have the position, tomorrow they won't, so let's make all the money possible now.
If Russian officials were smart, they would single out these individuals and make a public corruption case out of this situation.
like an old saying "and that shall pass".- The ban will not affect 2020 spring events in skating, not enough time to process the whole thing administratively (that's another long subject).
- When implemented, it will not affect any FS GP events in Russia as they do not qualify for "major int'l", and there were no WC or EC planned in Russia during next 4 years.
The "core of the problem" with data manipulation are "individual interests", although the manipulation was arranged by "individuals" who are working for a Russian government agency, so that's a gray area "individuals" vs. "government employees".
The data that was manipulated, in the period of 2018/early 2019 before the files were turned over, is for few individuals, mostly former athletes, who are holding prominent positions currently, and can not have their reputation dismissed. Those who manipulated "the data" were given "private interest incentive" to manipulate it, by "private individuals" benefiting from it.
Until recently, the "National Pride and Medals" that was the driving force behind whatever "questionable" might have taken place in Russian Sports Federations and ROC. These officials were interested in doing "what's best and how to win" because they received bonuses, salary increases, other benefits when "their Federation won medals".
There were always internal games and manipulations between coaches and athletes, with in their own club, or with competing clubs, using mostly influence and personal connections. But the bottom line for the Federations were to advance the athletes who can WIN medals, because that sports Federation would get the most benefits, which became pay raises, travel benefits, bonuses, etc.
Recently there is a new "thing" - private sponsors, show/events/publicity money, from which Sports Feds to receive a cut into their budget, but given it is "private business interests" who contribute the most, there is also a possibility of "pay offs and kick backs" from whatever athletes receive. Certain sponsors are interest in keeping certain athletes afloat and/or their reputation clean, even if they are former athletes.
If before russian sports feds benefited the most from "sending the best" and "protecting the best", now it is about "individuals and how much they get from another individual or an entity".
What happened with data manipulation is simply this "former athletes who had issues with data" came to "individuals in a government agency" and paid them to manipulate the data from past events. The individuals in the government agency receive basic salaries, nothing compared to "huge money" others make in front of them, the bonuses are petty in comparison. They act and think "every man for himself", today they have the position, tomorrow they won't, so let's make all the money possible now.
If Russian officials were smart, they would single out these individuals and make a public corruption case out of this situation.
hanca
Values her privacy
- Messages
- 12,549
Yes, but he and his partner also were not improving for many years, and scored lower than top juniors. The fact that someone competes at Russian nationals in ice dance doesn’t necessarily mean much. There are some top 6-7 teams that are decent, and then there is the rest (couples who can score around 120-130, which is less than juniors).
Perky Shae Lynn
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 2,480
This is unnecessarily harsh. Vash is entitled to her feelings, and expressing them in this forum. Telling someone their actions do not matter... Yikes. We all matter.
Tinami Amori
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 20,153
You're contradicting yourself...
hanca
Values her privacy
- Messages
- 12,549
You don’t need to imagine it. We will probably not get any explanation, same as we didn’t get the last time, so we won’t be able to imagine it either. But I wouldn’t be surprised if, behind the scenes, certain powers wondered how to take out at least one of the three A. Absolutely ‘legal’ way...it must be quite tempting.
Last edited:
- Messages
- 50,034
In two years the odds are that at least one of the 3A who won in Turin will be in Zags' position because of body changes and/or being one-upped by Valieva or someone who's not even Junior yet. Ladies is the only skating discipline where the Russians look like a shoe-in for gold -- two years out, and that's assuming Kihira and Liu never challenge for the top. I can't imagine the Americans or Chinese or Japanese plotting to bar the current crop knowing there are more where they came from, and that the youngsters aren't implicated in Sochi in any way.
hanca
Values her privacy
- Messages
- 12,549
And yet there are significant differences between the situation at the previous Olympics and the next olympics.
The newcomer Zagitova had to fight only against one Medvedeva, and she was lucky that Medvedeva got injured at the most convenient time (convenient for Zagitova, not for Medvedeva), so that allowed Zagitova climb up relatively easy.
The newcomer at the next Olympics, (maybe Valieva, or maybe someone we don’t know about at this time yet), will have to fight with three equivalents of Medvedeva, and much stronger technically than Medvedeva was. Medvedeva and Zagitova had the same technical difficulty (they could only do the same jumps, seven triples FS, none of them could do any quads). Any newcomer will be playing catch up, because it is unlikely that she will have as many quads as Trusova has. In this instance time may be on Trusova/Scherbakova’s side - they have more time to make sure they have more quads. The newly eligible girl will not have the same amount of time to get the quads. It is also unlikely that all three A would get injured with such inconvenient timing. One of them, that would be likely. Two of them...less likely. But they are three of them. One is very likely to survive.
- Messages
- 50,034
That's why I said "at least one." I can't imagine, or don't want to imagine, a situation in which all three have injured/grown-out-of their abilities to do what they do. I also presume at least one and maybe two will still be challenging for gold in two years...but then looked what happened to the class of Rad/Sot/Lip/Tuk. Only one is still skating, and she's one who never got to go to Olys at all.
Tinami Amori
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 20,153
Chinese have young ladies in the works, they are just not yet showing them internationally..
Sylvia
Flight #5342: I Will Remember You
- Messages
- 84,278
sovsport.ru interview (Dec. 9):
Anastasia Mishina and Alexander Gallyamov: When something doesn’t work out, we simply sulk at each other
The Russian couple, the first season performing at the adult level, took third place in the Grand Prix finals.
Daniil Gleikhengauz' Team Tutberidze photo of their medalists: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5yk5ExIjMD/
“An incredible struggle, a storm of emotions! Honestly, I gave myself completely to this tournament! Both athletes and coaches! Congratulations to Alena Kostornaya
, Anna Shcherbakova
and Sasha Trusova
! Thanks to Alina Zagitova for fighting, millions of people love you! Thanks to all our fans, such a podium.”
Dec. 8:
Sergey Shakhrai: Kostornaya is today's standard in women's skating
Our columnist Sergei Shakhrai summed up the Grand Prix finals in Turin.
Russian World Stars Match. Kostornaya, Scherbakova and Trusova occupied the entire Grand Prix podium
In Turin, the final tournament of the Grand Prix series ended. The last gold with a world record was won by Alena Kostornaya.
Alena Kostornaya: Each of us is a separate person
The winner of the Grand Prix finals Alena Kostornaya shared her emotions at the end of the competition.
Anna Shcherbakova: Now I have even more desire to flip!
Silver medalist of the Grand Prix final in figure skating - about her performance.
Alexandra Trusova: It was boring to compete in juniors!
Alexandra Trusova, who took third place in the Grand Prix finals, shared her emotions from the FS.
Dec. 7:
Our juniors have two of the three Grand Prix golds. We are waiting for five quads from Trusova
In the Grand Prix finals in Turin, Russia has another league title. The best among juniors in pair skating were Appolinaria Panfilova and Dmitry Rylov.
Sergei Shakhrai: Trusova in [free skate] can “bring” all 20 points and win
Our columnist Sergey Shakhrai is about the main events of the second day of the Grand Prix finals in Turin.
Dec. 6:
Kamila Valieva: In principle, I am satisfied with the free program
The winner of the Junior Grand Prix final Kamila Valieva shares her emotions after the victory.
The art of war from Tutberidze. Valieva abandoned the quad - and outwitted Liu
The first gold of the 2019 Grand Prix finals was won by Russian junior Kamila Valieva, who paradoxically defeated Alysa Liu from the USA.
Can someone provide a translation (not machine) of the last part of this article by Тигай Лев please?
<< Будь я американцем, сейчас, наверное, негодовал бы - мол, засудили нашу девочку. Будь я российским ура-патриотом - праздновал бы «победу над пиндосами». Но поскольку ни тем, ни другим я не являюсь, без труда могу сформулировать главный вопрос: а были ли у Лю эти три недокрута, решившие исход финала, или их не было?
Ни в коем случае не являясь экспертом, выражу частное мнение: там трижды все было на грани. Не поставить ни одной галочки судьи, думаю, не могли (это скандал автоматом), а вот две или даже одну - вполне. И в последнем случае чемпионкой, подозреваю, стала бы американка.
Хотя с другой стороны: Валиева только-только после перелома ноги. И по компонентам она должна выигрывать у Лю не три балла, а минимум вдвое больше. Вот такой детектив. >>
Sergei Shakhrai: Judges would have noticed the mistake of the Chinese, would Boikova and Kozlovsky be the leaders
Our columnist Sergei Shakhrai is about refereeing, slurred(?) Samarin, the mistake of Han and American Alysa Liu.
Dec. 5:
"I was surprised when I found out that I was the first." Mozalev leads after a short program
After the first competitive day of the Grand Prix finals, Russian juniors take leading places in two out of three programs.
Anastasia Mishina and Alexander Gallyamov: When something doesn’t work out, we simply sulk at each other
The Russian couple, the first season performing at the adult level, took third place in the Grand Prix finals.
Daniil Gleikhengauz' Team Tutberidze photo of their medalists: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5yk5ExIjMD/
“An incredible struggle, a storm of emotions! Honestly, I gave myself completely to this tournament! Both athletes and coaches! Congratulations to Alena Kostornaya
, Anna Shcherbakova and Sasha Trusova! Thanks to Alina Zagitova for fighting, millions of people love you! Thanks to all our fans, such a podium.”I've gone through the entire list of @Maofan7's sovsport.ru article links (in post #408 - thanks!) & re-listed the more substantive ones from most recent to earliest, with machine translated headlines & summaries added below:
Dec. 8:
Sergey Shakhrai: Kostornaya is today's standard in women's skating
Our columnist Sergei Shakhrai summed up the Grand Prix finals in Turin.
Russian World Stars Match. Kostornaya, Scherbakova and Trusova occupied the entire Grand Prix podium
In Turin, the final tournament of the Grand Prix series ended. The last gold with a world record was won by Alena Kostornaya.
Alena Kostornaya: Each of us is a separate person
The winner of the Grand Prix finals Alena Kostornaya shared her emotions at the end of the competition.
Anna Shcherbakova: Now I have even more desire to flip!
Silver medalist of the Grand Prix final in figure skating - about her performance.
Alexandra Trusova: It was boring to compete in juniors!
Alexandra Trusova, who took third place in the Grand Prix finals, shared her emotions from the FS.
Dec. 7:
Our juniors have two of the three Grand Prix golds. We are waiting for five quads from Trusova
In the Grand Prix finals in Turin, Russia has another league title. The best among juniors in pair skating were Appolinaria Panfilova and Dmitry Rylov.
Sergei Shakhrai: Trusova in [free skate] can “bring” all 20 points and win
Our columnist Sergey Shakhrai is about the main events of the second day of the Grand Prix finals in Turin.
Dec. 6:
Kamila Valieva: In principle, I am satisfied with the free program
The winner of the Junior Grand Prix final Kamila Valieva shares her emotions after the victory.
The art of war from Tutberidze. Valieva abandoned the quad - and outwitted Liu
The first gold of the 2019 Grand Prix finals was won by Russian junior Kamila Valieva, who paradoxically defeated Alysa Liu from the USA.
Can someone provide a translation (not machine) of the last part of this article by Тигай Лев please?
<< Будь я американцем, сейчас, наверное, негодовал бы - мол, засудили нашу девочку. Будь я российским ура-патриотом - праздновал бы «победу над пиндосами». Но поскольку ни тем, ни другим я не являюсь, без труда могу сформулировать главный вопрос: а были ли у Лю эти три недокрута, решившие исход финала, или их не было?
Ни в коем случае не являясь экспертом, выражу частное мнение: там трижды все было на грани. Не поставить ни одной галочки судьи, думаю, не могли (это скандал автоматом), а вот две или даже одну - вполне. И в последнем случае чемпионкой, подозреваю, стала бы американка.
Хотя с другой стороны: Валиева только-только после перелома ноги. И по компонентам она должна выигрывать у Лю не три балла, а минимум вдвое больше. Вот такой детектив. >>
Sergei Shakhrai: Judges would have noticed the mistake of the Chinese, would Boikova and Kozlovsky be the leaders
Our columnist Sergei Shakhrai is about refereeing, slurred(?) Samarin, the mistake of Han and American Alysa Liu.
Dec. 5:
"I was surprised when I found out that I was the first." Mozalev leads after a short program
After the first competitive day of the Grand Prix finals, Russian juniors take leading places in two out of three programs.
Last edited:
Mad for Skating
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 2,892
This Olympic ban feels so unfair. I know WADA is trying to do the right thing, but the punishment is hitting the athletes (many who are clean) instead of the corrupt officials.
TAHbKA
Cats and garlic lover
- Messages
- 22,081
My remarks in italian
If I were an American, I would probably be raging - our girl was underscored. If I were a Russian patriot I would be celebrating the victory over a degrading term for Americans, something between a rude word for gays/with an ending of `american'. I can't believe this word can be used in the written press, frankly. But since am neither I can afford asking a question: did Liu indeed underotate 3 times, which determined the result of the competition or not?
I am not an expert at all, but my personal point of view: it was all within the boundaries. Guess the judges couldn't afford not putting any underotations (that would certainly cause a scandal), but one or two - why not. And in that case, I guess, the American would be a champion.
On the other hand - Valieva had just recovered having a broken leg. And her components should really be more than 3 points higher than Liu's. So here you go.
Think I just added another `journalist' never to translate to my list...
ps.. couldn't believe it was used in the official press and asked some Russian friends. So yes, it's not a word to be used and the quite good translation Andrey came up with is `Amerifags'. That's literally the word this dude uses...
p.p.s. having a fun conversation with the Russian friends, they claim in this context it is bordering ok-ish to use, since it's not him calling the americans that, but talking about the Russian mob who would.
Last edited:
Rina RUS
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 1,211
I decided to check what we can find about this word: Πίνδος ("pindos").
Yes, according to the article from wiki this word comes from Greece. It seems it has nothing to do with "a rude word for gays".
It is said, that it was a rude word for Greeks: Greeks from Pind were known as the poorest ones, almost with no education. It is also said it has negative sences in Greek: "mud", "a pauper"...
I agree, that it is a rude word for Americans now, but not more than that - as far as I see in the article:
Пиндос — Википедия
It is interesting, that the words which were translated as "a Russian patriot" are rude too. It is something like "a crazy Russian patriot" ("fanatic"?, "die-hard"?), so the text says something like this:
"If I were a crazy Russian patriot, I would be celebrating the victory over (hated) Americans"
Maybe the word "pindos" seems ruder than it is. I live in Russia, but I didn't know the etymology of this word. So even Russians can think, that this word has a meaning which it doesn't have.
Last edited:
Tinami Amori
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 20,153
@Sylvia - "пeндос or пиндос" has nothing to do with anything sexual/orientation/body part.. it's a misconception due to the sound of the word "pendos" that is close to the word describing "male organ".
It has greek origin, and without details, in earlier days used around Black Sea areas, pretty much means "those plebs". Often it is used as a belittling term against a group that is at odds with you/your group/your country pretty much as "those jerks". It is often used by some Russians to describe "americans as a group" when there are conflicts over something, or anger/frustration for past/present actions.
It's a rude alternative to an earlier term "Yankies".
The author of the article was not using this term for his own meaning, but rather ridiculing possible "extreme views" of both sides, making the russian side sounding more extreme. He is showing "irony of extreme views" in contrast to his, supposedly fair, analysis of jumps. He is trying to be sarcastic.
"If i was an American - i'd be freaking out now - our girl got dumped! If i was a russian ultra-nationalist - i'd be celebrating a victory over "those Yankies". But since i am not either, i have no problems formulating the main questions: Liu's jums, how they affected placements, were there under-rotations or not."
Last edited:
oleada
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 43,444
Will Mukhametzianova/Mironov be competing at Russian senior nationals? Really enjoyed their FS at the JGPF!
Tinami Amori
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 20,153
I believe they can (by rules), but this is their first year out, as Juniors. I saw them 2 times before on local small-scale events, once in 2018 and prior to that in 2017 (on some very very local event). He is 19, so they have 2 more season to remain Juniors.
Диана МУХАМЕТЗЯНОВА / Илья МИРОНОВ SP - Открытое первенство г. Москвы 2018
Diana MUKHAMETZYANOVA / Ilya MIRONOV 2003/2001Figure Skating discussions: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/figureskatingRankings of Russian ladies: https://ww...
www.youtube.com
Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Lipnitskaya, and Radionova all sustained successful senior careers over an entire quad.
Radionova: medaled in GPs for five consecutive seasons, 2 Euros medals, 1 world medal in two appearances
Lipnitskaya: medaled in GPs for four consecutive seasons, 1 Euro medal, 1 world medal in one appearance
Sotnikova: medaled in GPs for three consecutive seasons and medaled again in her comeback GP after a year off, 2 Euros medals, no world medals in 1 appearance
Tuktamysheva: medaled in 7 GP seasons, 2 seasons of no GP medals, 2 Euros medals, 1 world medal in two appearances
That Tuk is in her third quad is not that common even for skaters from much less competitive nations. Looking at the Rad/Sot/Lip/Tuk generation, they each did admirably, but there's only 3 spots at each big event and only 3 Olympic medals. Not everyone could reach the pinnacle of the sport. If Trusova, Kostornaia, and Shcherbakova do as well as those four, though, then we'll see them compete throughout the quad, even though it's not likely that all three make the Olympic team.
The criteria was not limited to Sochi. If I am remembering correctly (and at best I'm paraphrasing), it was that any athletes for whom there was evidence of doping during a specific time period while the doping program was known to be in effect would be kept out of the Olympics. (Mind you, the Russian authorities are still doctoring data).
Anyway, I remember this specifically because when the news came out about Stepanova & Bukin, the only time period I could think of in which they withdrew from events without any clear explanation was during the preseason one year. (I think 2015-16). At the time the explanation we received was "health reasons." S&B competed at a Russian Cup event at home rather than attending the CS they were originally assigned for, and I believe when I looked it up that that block of time--following Sochi--was still within the window. I've no idea if it had any relation to any of this. I just thought about it at the time because we were brainstorming whether he might have been red-lighted due to a medication, and that was the only health-related issue I remembered associated with Ivan. (Also, if one was found with something in one's system at home, then the Russian Fed might not send an athlete out internationally, but might not have had any problem sending them to a domestic event. Which is what one feels compelled to wonder about Stolbova, as there was never a logical explanation for why Stolbova & Klimov skipped the Worlds in China).
Maybe none of that is relevant. My point is simply that athletes were red-lighted based on any evidence of doping over a longer period of time than only the Sochi Olympics.
Last edited:
anonymoose_au
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 202
I for one welcome our new skating overlord and will gladly take up citizenship!
Speaking of Liza she posted about Mishin's new book, it's a memoir of sorts. Too bad it's only in Russian, I'd so read it!
Login • Instagram
Welcome back to Instagram. Sign in to check out what your friends, family & interests have been capturing & sharing around the world.
www.instagram.com
Japanfan
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 25,605
There was an attempt to start a new skating federation in 2001 (don't know how long it had been in the planning stages prior to that and IIFC, it was to be called World Skating Federation). Advocates for the new federation were promoting it at Vancouver Worlds.
Something did stop them. I don't know what, but someone else here might.
ETA: Got that wrong as indicated by the post below.
Last edited:
- Messages
- 50,034
It was simultaneous with the fan SkateFAIR protest and included Scott Hamilton. It didn’t fly, just too many important people with a stake in the ISU.
