From Russia with Love [#34]: Autumn 2019

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barbarafan said:
There are a few of Eteri's girls whose skating I like. She deserves to not starve to death or have lifelong internal problems and perhaps not be able to reproduce later in life.
In the pictures I saw in the medal ceremony her head looked too big for her body.
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But you don't know anything about Anna's health. At all. This is all merely speculating on your part. Look, has the Tutberidze camp made troubling statements about food? Absolutely. But instituting minimum calories or BMI (a bullshit measurement) or all these comments on young teens bodies are just policing and equally harmful.
 
PRlady said:
I must be declining in my old age but I actually agree with most of this. :D

Recently I posted something similar about singles skaters. I was an angsty teenager once and understand all those heartbreaking GFBs the girls are picking but yuck and yawn from an audience perspective. While Firebird and GoT and Twilight are actually great programs for girls that age.

When skaters get old or sophisticated enough to be Nathan or Jason or Satoko, THEN they can pick their music. They should have to pass a test like when you get your driver’s license. :p
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Amber Glenn is 20, and her SP is the angstiest GFB I've ever heard. Of course she interprets it well, but two and a half minutes of wailing about tearing your heart open is a bit much.
 
Tony Wheeler said:
I've said this several times- I don't care where the skater is from. I've been on the cases of American skaters, Japanese skaters, Russian skaters, and probably a little of everyone in between when it comes to the technical panels and the judges. I was writing articles way before the 'e' and '!' thing turned into two options with a reduction in start value for the e where I said it was ridiculous a skater could technically do four of the same jump in a program and earn nearly full points for each one.
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Tony, i know you are not bias, and you've been pretty consistent in your stands. I've read your comments and explanations of various jump issues, in this and previous events. I agree with some, and not quite with few others, but lets leave it at this. There is always a room for discussion. There are more tough and less tough judging panels, but the "intensity and scrutiny" of each should apply to all skaters in a given event.

With the all the intensity of resentment and a huge wave of negativity towards "new generation of russian ladies" which comes in various forms and through various issues (from fans, other skaters, media, federation and officials), it is hard to sometimes distinguish which is a pure bias, what is a mistake, or what is just an opinion, in judging.

I was upset over "wrong entry on the jump" in Bradie Tennell's issue, but many agreed with me, so there was no discussion. That was a clear mistake, though, not intentional.

We both agree that the timing on Zagitova's and Andrews' routines are questionable, and we're not the only ones. Both programmes' timing should have been looked at through the same criteria.

Zagitova's 3-3 combo in SP, was UR and edge, and deserves max - 3, which most gave her. When -5 and -4 come from JPN and USA judges...... that looks interesting.. ;) ... while it is quite unusual for a JPN judges, it is pretty much expected from anyone from USA, given it is now days USA who "goes after everything Russian" and the majority of people who try to seek out some kind of "evil" in Russian skating are North Americans..

Quite a few people, including you (and me naturally) agree that Kostornaya's 3A in SP had a clean landing, with no flow on a landing, and yet she still managed to do a forward leap without hindrance of motion. The fact that it was called UR and in combination with other judging issues at that event, that were not clear, that the reason for Rus. Feds sent an inquiry letter to the ISU. When a clearly clean jump gets a UR, given all other issues taking place with "russian ladies" and ultra-difficult jumps, it deserves an explanation.

so...I'll wait until the answer comes before analyzing judging further.
 
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Wyliefan said:
Amber Glenn is 20, and her SP is the angstiest GFB I've ever heard. Of course she interprets it well, but two and a half minutes of wailing about tearing your heart open is a bit much.
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It also doesn't seem to be a good choice for motivating you to succeed either.
 
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... and if anyone thinking she is "going pro", she is not... :lol:
"I will continue working in order to accomplish all my plans".
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Wyliefan said:
Amber Glenn is 20, and her SP is the angstiest GFB I've ever heard. Of course she interprets it well, but two and a half minutes of wailing about tearing your heart open is a bit much.
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Between her, Chen, Izzo, Andrews.....US Nationals Ladies SP will be fricking torture with one poorly interpreted GFB after another.

I have issues with the choreography of the programs, but I do think that GoT, Firebird and the Twilight soundtrack were pretty good choices for each of their styles.
 
Tinami Amori said:
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... and if anyone thinking she is "going pro", she is not... :lol:
"I will continue working in order to accomplish all my plans".
Interview google-translates just fine. it's about training, food, coaches, and other stuff.
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Tony Wheeler said:
I agree Andrews looks borderline and I probably would've called her for it, but if they are timing it and it ends at 2:50 on the display, then she's fine. The problem once again with Zagitova is that the final note in her program comes at 2:51 after she starts moving, no matter how you want to look at it and regardless of which video you want to send me. She needs to remove that final note of the music and the get rid of the hand movement down and she won't be risking deduction. There's no doubt in my mind the timer displayed 2:51 for her.

And since you always have a million links to everything, add this:


Rule 502 Duration of skating The time must be reckoned from the moment the Skater (either Skater for Pair Skating and Ice Dance) begins to move or to skate until arriving at a complete stop at the end of the program.
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Kwan will tell Zagitova as a defending World Champ that better this happened at a GP than at Worlds.
 
Tony Wheeler said:
The days when 0.1 was taken off. And remember they showed a clip from Nationals when she had gone over the limit but 'no one had noticed'?
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Exactly. If only something was said when the stake was low(er). Without the deduction, Kwan could (coz we would never know for sure) 2nd or 3rd in the short instead of 4th. The mental game would have been quite different for the free if she was within reach on a higher placement (I don't wanna do the factored placement math). Imagine if the streaker came up right before Cohen skated. :p
 
skatfan said:
You said “little girls” in your post. This qualifies and worse because she was even younger. She won Jr World’s with this as I remember!
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Ah. Ok, should had written 'underage girls in the senior gps', not 'little girls'. Good point
 
Tinami Amori said:
The "freedom of self-discovery and expression" on ice by athletes is overrated... :D
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Brings to mind all the skaters who do exhibitions to "My Way", with great enthusiasm. So often I think, :confused:

This is not to say that FS cannot be innovative and creative. It often is. But it is also is a culture of conformity to a certain extent - think how few female skaters have taken advantage of the freedom that being able to wear pant costumes accords, particularly single female skaters.
 
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skatfan said:
Didn’t Trusova skate to Hey Big Spender in juniors? :yikes:
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It was the best program she has done, IMO. It had personality. Last year, though, the programs had none and the music was hard to listen to in an arena. This season's are a little better, but I wish there had not been so much complaining about Hey Big Spender because I think she has personality & her team should use it. I love her competitiveness, but I think the packaging is the reason many people think she is "just" a jumper. Which I do not agree with & that SP is a big reason why.
 
Dobre said:
It was the best program she has done, IMO. It had personality. Last year, though, the programs had none and the music was hard to listen to in an arena. This season's are a little better, but I wish there had not been so much complaining about Hey Big Spender because I think she has personality & her team should use it. I love her competitiveness, but I think the packaging is the reason many people think she is "just" a jumper. Which I do not agree with & that SP is a big reason why.
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The second half of that program was better than the Big Spender part imo, which was the "Jumpin' Jack" piece. I'd like to see her do that style again.
 
Dobre said:
It was the best program she has done, IMO. It had personality. Last year, though, the programs had none and the music was hard to listen to in an arena. This season's are a little better, but I wish there had not been so much complaining about Hey Big Spender because I think she has personality & her team should use it. I love her competitiveness, but I think the packaging is the reason many people think she is "just" a jumper. Which I do not agree with & that SP is a big reason why.
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I don't agree with that at all...I loved her programs last season, especially the Fifth Element. If you don't think that had personality, then I don't know what to say. And having seen her skate them at the GPF, and the new programs at SC, I still think last season's were better and more memorable.

I never understood why Daniil would give any teenage girl Big Spender, let alone a 13-year-old tomboy like Sasha. Yuck.
 
TAHbKA said:
I can't recall a single programme from Tutberidze team that made me go `eeek, this little girl should not be skating to that music'.
Jotem, on the other hand....
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Tutberidze's group HAS done some great programs, but Trusova's "Big Spender" made me uncomfortable because of the explicit lyrics (it would've been fine if she was 20, but not 13). Also, Zagitova's EX program with the tiger costume had some choreography that felt a bit...mature (at least for a 15yo).
Say what you will about Jotem, but I feel more comfortable seeing young girls skating to big emotional ballads they don't quite understand than underage skaters doing fairly explicit programs.
(FYI, this is not an attack on Tutberidze alone - I was also uncomfortable with parts of Eunsoo Lim's "Chicago" program, for example)
 
zebraswan said:
I don't agree with that at all...I loved her programs last season, especially the Fifth Element. If you don't think that had personality, then I don't know what to say. And having seen her skate them at the GPF, and the new programs at SC, I still think last season's were better and more memorable.

I never understood why Daniil would give any teenage girl Big Spender, let alone a 13-year-old tomboy like Sasha. Yuck.
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Agreed. I loved Trusova's programs last year -- I think I've rewatched her Kill Bill SP more than any other program from last season -- but this year's programs fall flat for me.
 
Lots and lots of young skaters skate to Big Spender. Lots from every country. The kids don't pay any attention to the lyrics. They like the beat of the music. Apparently, their parents don't mind either given how often it occurs in novice and junior skaters from around the world. There were many Candyman's the year T/M used it in the novice/junior ranks because for the same reason they chose it: the beat and rhythm of the music and not the lyrics.

What are the dates for Russian Nationals this year? I sort of arrange my schedule for that week around them. I've ignored family holiday stuff when Russian Nationals was happening. And, if Japanese nationals occur at the same time, even better.

ETA: I found the dates Dec 24-29th.
 
Dobre said:
It was the best program she has done, IMO. It had personality. Last year, though, the programs had none and the music was hard to listen to in an arena. This season's are a little better, but I wish there had not been so much complaining about Hey Big Spender because I think she has personality & her team should use it. I love her competitiveness, but I think the packaging is the reason many people think she is "just" a jumper. Which I do not agree with & that SP is a big reason why.
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I agree about the style but the content of the song for her was just wtf. A big no.
 
Be real now. Has anyone actually read the lyrics of say, Hallelujah, or Sixteen Tons? Skaters in fancy diamond-studded dresses complaining about "I owe my soul to company store"? Like that's appropriate. If you are gonna start on that train, might as well cancel music for skating altogether.
 
My last hope of a coach with a remote glimpse of taste was just shuttered. Thank you, FSU! :drama:
 
Tinami Amori said:
Plus this programme appeared to be an element of "self-expression and vision". That's what happens when skaters without proper education and knowledge of the world trends, want to "express themselves" and are allowed to do so.. :D
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It’s the Amber Glenn approach to picking music! Oops...
 
muffinplus said:
Daria Usacheva's programs. Especially that "please don't make me love you" short.... I mean... seriously, why they thought it was a good idea? :scream:
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I am not sure it is such a good idea for Starr Andrews to skate to Dance of 7 Veils, portraying Salome, who is an under-aged jailbait that seduces her mother's husband (her step-father King Herod) right in front of her own mother, then performs a striptease and demands as a reward to have the head of John the Baptist cut off and brought to her on a plate..... :D

... and "please don't make me love you" could have been said by Juliette in a modern version of Romeo and Juliette.... who was 13.. :lol:

.... skating to any form of "romantic Vampires" is condoning grotesque mass murderers, not to mention the original Prince.
.... skating to "Scheherazade" is condoning rape, murder and women enslavement.
.... skating to Tango from "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" is condoning killers for hire and a husband/wife trying to kill each other.
.... Turandot is a man-hatress who killed all her suitor for not solving a riddle.
.... Eva Peron is a murderous dictator and a harlot.
...... etc....... :lol:
 
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