Chinese Skating News, Pt. 3: A long & winding road to Beijing 2022

Frau Muller

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I gather that Sui/Han withdrew before the FS? If so, did they or their coaches cite a reason? They seemed ok in the SP.
 

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Lengthy feature article in Chinese on Sui/Han: https://sports.qq.com/a/20181230/004672.htm

Google translated excerpts:
From Pyeongchang's regret to picking silver, to the return of the Harbin National Championships, Yan Wenjing and Han Cong have gone through a long 325 days.
Behind the 78.27 points [SP]: only 6 times in two weeks, the skill is restored to 80%.
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"I am very happy, because the two weeks are too short for us." Yan Wenjing put on the face of makeup, and the light flashed. The hot sweat on Han Cong’s forehead is still big and big even if he walks into the mixed-use area of the cold wind. Returning to the long-lost stadium, the excitement of the "onion bucket" is beyond words.
Yan Wenjing/Han Cong’s short program was only rehearsed six times, and the two were somewhat dissatisfied with the performance of the set.
Teacher Zhao Hongbo commented on their first show status - 80%. The skill recovery is 80%. Both of them are also somewhat dissatisfied with the performance of this set of actions.
"Two weeks ago, we have almost started from scratch. Only a single ability and combination ability have been restored. The whole movement has not reached the highest level, such as throwing, turning, lifting a single jump, etc., and some small mistakes. The show is on the court and the overall feeling is that everyone is quite strong."
(Sui joked that she only gained 10 pounds after surgery this time, compared to 20 pounds previously.)
This year, the national flower slip [figure skating] team moved to Shougang training, Han Cong said frankly that the overall treatment of all aspects of protection is what they did not expect: did not enjoy such a good ice rink, such a good temperature, such a good accommodation, and even so good The talents, including team doctors and physicalists, including specialist doctors and teachers for blood tests, are particularly strong in team security, "to catch up with the good times of association reform."
Sui Wenjing and Han Cong are grateful for everything they have. But Han Cong’s pursuit does not stop there.
“I feel that I can pursue my own flowering career again. This year we have made great changes, for example, from developing a training plan to discussing with the coach how to implement the plan, then to the self-training mode, and redefining the tactical arrangements. Wait, these we also have our own systematic considerations. This has played a very good role in the growth of our two."
They will start their international season at 4CC.

ETA Sui/Han's post-SP interview (with English subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwArsoDqFwg
They said they've only been practicing (mostly) individual elements for 2 weeks and their side-by-side double toe loops were planned because they haven't had the time to train the 3T with the music yet.
 
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binbinwinwin

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I gather that Sui/Han withdrew before the FS? If so, did they or their coaches cite a reason? They seemed ok in the SP.
They intended on doing only the SP from the very beginning because they are late into training, the entry had "Test" beside their names (and Yu/Zhang's) because they're just getting a feel back for competition ice.
 

Japanfan

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watched Sui/Han's SP. they are still high quality skaters, but that SP needs work if they plan to skate at Worlds.
I think that is why they competed here, even though only in the SP.

There's a ways to go for Worlds. Sui/Han will put a lot of miles on their programs between now and then.
 

binbinwinwin

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only her parents and the Chinese fed. know that....and if they told you they'd have to **** you
That's quite the assumption and a quite xenophobic of you, you should be better than this. Her mother posted her birthday online long time ago and posted her cake and party from her 12th party at the rink right before she came to Harbin for Nationals. It has been known for years (probably since like 2015 when she was selected for the gala at CoC) that she would be too young for 2022. The Chinese federation doesn't manage her either because her parents rejected her joining a long time ago.
 

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That's quite the assumption and a quite xenophobic of you, you should be better than this. Her mother posted her birthday online long time ago and posted her cake and party from her 12th party at the rink right before she came to Harbin for Nationals. It has been known for years (probably since like 2015 when she was selected for the gala at CoC) that she would be too young for 2022. The Chinese federation doesn't manage her either because her parents rejected her joining a long time ago.

Considering past actions of the Chinese when it comes to “aging”athletes to meet their desire for medals I think it is a valid concern.
 

binbinwinwin

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Considering past actions of the Chinese when it comes to “aging”athletes to meet their desire for medals I think it is a valid concern.
I think applying it to every Chinese athlete who comes along is very assumptive and quite rude and Chinese athletes who's ages and abilities have been questioned (when there have never been anything to say otherwise) have admitted to feeling pressured and hurt by the comments up to the point where they have admitted to depression and burning out (see Shan Chunsong). These kind of comments are unfair to the athletes as people. It is up to the ISU and the official sporting bodies to determine what is fake and what is not, make a complaint to them if you really think it's such a concern. Her age and birthday is displayed online, December 24, 2006, so the comment was completely unnecessary on her part.
 

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Considering past actions of the Chinese when it comes to “aging”athletes to meet their desire for medals I think it is a valid concern.
It might have been a concern but that doesnt mean eeryone is in the same boat.

That is no different from assuming a future American lady flutzes because Sarah Hughes and S Cohen flutzed.
 

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Well, I personally am celebrating the fact that this year China has released footage of their National Championships.:cheer2:

I am so glad to see Sui & Han back on the ice, as musical as ever. Am also glad to hear that the rumors of a split between Yu & Zhang were false. (Or very premature). As were the early season rumors of one between Wang & Liu. It seems Boyang is once again looking stronger as the season develops. And all of this is good news. I have enjoyed watching Peng & Jin this season, but it has been a rebuilding year for China. Hope to see all of these athletes at 4CCs. Fingers crossed for Wang & Wang to get a shot at an international, and best wishes to Ning & Wang in their quest to earn 4CC minimums at Mentor Torun Cup.
 

binbinwinwin

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The stream this year really showed the increased interest in domestic fans for figure skating, the viewers at first were only 2000-4000 but then on the second day was pretty steady at 10,000+ watching at any time. I believed it got to around 20,000 for Boyang and the top pairs. Very optimistic for the future, hopefully they will continue to provide the stream as a way for figure skating to be exposed to more remote places in China like Skate Canada does with their streams.

Boyang has been feeling a lot better mentally, he said he is making adjustments in expectations for himself in order to perform better. His results at the Olympics were better than he expected and his practices have not been bad, but then he gets to competitions and feels all the pressure due to expectations he has for himself. He has realized that and he wants to be a new Boyang Jin in 2019. Video interview here: https://twitter.com/gbj84553314/status/1079041423083597825?s=21
 

barbarafan

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That's quite the assumption and a quite xenophobic of you, you should be better than this. Her mother posted her birthday online long time ago and posted her cake and party from her 12th party at the rink right before she came to Harbin for Nationals. It has been known for years (probably since like 2015 when she was selected for the gala at CoC) that she would be too young for 2022. The Chinese federation doesn't manage her either because her parents rejected her joining a long time ago.
You are right. It is totally an assumption on my part based on the past performance of the Chinese Fed. I do apologize as I have never heard of her before. She would seem to have wise parents.
 

binbinwinwin

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@barbarafan thank you for your apology

Yan Han is coming back next season according to Jian Tong, he has recovered quite well and is jumping the 3A again. In 2019 he will go to USA to get a new SP/FS (finally no Lori!) and he will start with some domestic competitions next season. Source
 

Kateri

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Have they announced the teams yet? Some Youtube comment was saying they were prioritising Yu/Zhang over Peng/Jin for Worlds (as only 2 spots this year), which makes me :mad: if true.
 

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Have they announced the teams yet? Some Youtube comment was saying they were prioritising Yu/Zhang over Peng/Jin for Worlds (as only 2 spots this year), which makes me :mad: if true.
That's odd, I saw others saying that Yu & Zhang aren't even being considered for international events?
 

Dobre

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And I've read comments assuming that P&J will go over Y&Z, which are maybe premature? (If there is one thing we should have learned from following the gossip about the Chinese Skating Federation over the past several years, it is that a great deal of the information that gets posted as "fact" is uninformed and inaccurate).

At this point, Yu & Zhang and Sui & Han are still in rebuilding mode. Hopefully, three teams will be healthy enough go to 4CCs, and we--as well as the Chinese Fed--will see which teams are the most competitive heading into Worlds. It's a shame there are only the two berths, but at least it's a good season for rebuilding.

With Peng & Jin, the issue is always that they don't really have a second triple jump for the FS. If Yu & Zhang could recover enough, they could have a higher potential score and a better shot of earning that third spot back. But it seems quite possible that Y&Z aren't going to be ready for that. Or that maybe with the new scoring system combined with retirments, P&J can help earn that third placement for next year. Their placement at the GPF is a great argument in their favor, and of course, their programs are in good shape. Does China usually announce their World team this early? We may have to wait and see.
 

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I'd hope that 4CCs will act as a skate-off for Worlds, so in that case, nothing would be decided yet. I was thrown by a comment saying Y/Z had already been selected ahead of P/J, but that does sound unlikely. I hope.
 

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I assume that if Yu/Zhang are healthy, they will always be sent over Peng/Jin, if the Fed has to choose, regardless of any results leading up to selection. Zhang seems to get the most consideration in the Fed's thinking.
 

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@barbarafan thank you for your apology

Yan Han is coming back next season according to Jian Tong, he has recovered quite well and is jumping the 3A again. In 2019 he will go to USA to get a new SP/FS (finally no Lori!) and he will start with some domestic competitions next season. Source
Thank-you for the news on Yan Han. He is one of my favorites male skaters and I was sad to not see him skate. Here is hoping he continues to get strong and get back his skills. Pls let us know who will be doing his new programs when it is ok to release it.
 

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Perhaps P&J and Y&Z can battle it out at 4CCs?

Christy Leung had previously competed at Chinese Winter Games (as a HK skater). She had hopped out of her 3loop but was otherwise clean on the other elements (I don't have the procotol so not sure about calling).

According to this article (https://news.sina.com.tw/article/20181230/29485176.html), the temperature in Harbin bothered her, and she couldn't find her feel for jumps and had to take a few days to accustom. She was born in HK but trained in BJ for 4 years before going to Tammy (interestingly she is also attending highschool in HK?!). She said she has tried quads but hasn't succeeded yet.
 

Sylvia

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one said that sui said about yu and zhang on her weibo.
Oh okay. With the Chinese skaters it seems like we often have to rely on social media hearsay for any tidbits of info...
Perhaps P&J and Y&Z can battle it out at 4CCs?
Since Yu/Zhang have not competed their FS yet (and their SP at Nationals was just a test skate) they are well behind in their season prep. compared to Peng/Jin. Let's first see if Y/Z show up at 4CC.
 

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@Sylvia I noticed Christy Leung competed at Chinese nationals but represents Hong Kong internationally (and apparently at the National Championships). Ignoring all the China vs. Hong Kong political stuff is it possible she is considering switching to represent China internationally or that China will try to have Hong Kong's figure skating association combine with their own for 2022?
 

Sylvia

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@Willin, I have no idea what will happen in the future but as long as the Hong Kong Skating Union is recognized as an ISU member federation (and ditto the the Sports Federation and Olympic Committee of Hong Kong, China), I assume Yi Christy Leung will continue to represent Hong Kong as long as she and her family can afford all the skating expenses involved. BTW, I've posted a link to her winning FS at Chinese Nationals in the OAS thread here (as well as @Marco's article link): https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/the-development-of-skating-in-southeast-asia-oas-skater-updates.98605/page-5#post-5495309
ETA that I just found an article linked from the Hong Kong skating fed's FB page that indicates how proud they are of Leung's accomplishments to date and have posted the link in the OAS thread.
 
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