2024-25 Pairs General Discussion - Who Wants to Skate Forever (in Junior Pairs)?

Karen-W said:
No. SB Top 24 only guarantees 1 GP. Same with WS Top 24 (and even that isn't necessarily the case - both Caldara/Maglio & the Mokhovs were in the WS Top 24 at the end of last season, but neither got a GP).
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Oh yeah, what am I thinking. Altogether there’s only 48 slots in Pairs for all six events, if they pick the top 24, that would take all 48 slots with no excess choices for host spots, and other entries.
 
Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed on the Senior Grand Prix this season:
3Anastasiia METELKINA / Luka BERULAVAGEOISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024213.05S
10Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREVUZBISU GP Skate Canada International 202426/10/2024189.65S
13Anastasia GOLUBEVA / Hektor GIOTOPOULOS MOOREAUSISU GP Skate Canada International 202426/10/2024186.14S
15Anastasia VAIPAN-LAW / Luke DIGBYGBRISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 202422/11/2024182.37S
21Yuna NAGAOKA / Sumitada MORIGUCHIJPNISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024172.47S
25Milania VAANANEN / Filippo CLERICIFINISU CS John Nicks International Pairs Competition 202404/09/2024165.48S
34Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWERUSAISU GP Finlandia Trophy 202417/11/2024153.34S
42Isabelle MARTINS / Ryan BEDARDUSAISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024140.63S

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed in ISU Challengers this season:
24Oxana VOUILLAMOZ / Tom BOUVARTSUIISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 202422/11/2024170.09S
26Letizia ROSCHER / Luis SCHUSTERGERISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 202407/12/2024162.69S

Competed on Junior Grand Prix this fall (Zhang/Huang will be ISU Senior age-eligible in 2025-26 - she is 17 now according to her ISU bio):
19Jiaxuan ZHANG / Yihang HUANGCHNISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024176.09J
27Jazmine DESROCHERS / Kieran THRASHERCANISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024159.77J
31Olivia FLORES / Luke WANGUSAISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024155.82J
35Sofiia HOLICHENKO / Artem DARENSKYIUKRISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 202422/11/2024151.27S
38Romane TELEMAQUE / Lucas COULONFRAISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024146.38J
39Sae SHIMIZU / Lucas Tsuyoshi HONDAJPNISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024145.66J
40Xuanqi ZHANG / Wenqiang FENGCHNISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024145.55J
43Julia QUATTROCCHI / Simon DESMARAISCANISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024139.13J
48Elizabeth HANSEN / William CHURCHUSAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024132.44J
49Polina POLMAN / Gabriel RENOLDIITAISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024132.06J
50Irina NAPOLITANO / Edoardo COMIITAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024130.55J
51Sofia ENKINA / Nikita KOVALENKOISRISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024130.45J
52Noemie ROLLAND / Etienne LACASSECANISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024130.39J
53Louise EHRHARD / Matthis PELLEGRISFRAISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024129.96J
55Saya CARPENTER / Ignacio [Jon] MARAVILLAUSAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024129.80J
58Debora Anna COHEN / Lukas VOCHOZKACZEISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024128.01J
60Reagan MOSS / Jakub GALBAVYUSAISU JGP Riga Cup 202430/08/2024127.16J
61Claudia Sinclair SCOTTI / Noah QUESADA GRAUESPISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024122.13J
62Addyson MCDANOLD / Aaron FELBERBAUMUSAISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024121.82J
63Nora Marleen ROTHENBUEHLER / Mozes Jozsef BEREIHUNISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024121.11J
65Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKYSVKISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024118.44J
66Katalin Janne SALATZKI / Lukas ROESELERGERISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024116.07J
67Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIAESPISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024113.26J
68Aliyah ACKERMANN / Tobija HARMSGERISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024111.17J
69Nikola SITKOVA / Oliver KUBACAKSVKISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024110.92J
70Wiktoria PACHA / Szymon DERECHOWSKIPOLISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024109.90J
71Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORRSUIISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024109.80J
72Melissa MERRONE / Alberto TOMMASIITAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024108.60J
73Zarah WOOD / Alex LAPSKYGBRISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024103.61J
74Lise REGNIER / Luca NANDROTFRAISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/202498.57J
75Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHERFRAISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/202493.69J
76Rebecca RITCHIE / Kyle MCLEODGBRISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/202492.40J
77Elisabetta PROFAIZER / Matteo Libasse MANDELLIITAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/202490.03J
78Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOVGBRISU JGP Riga Cup 202430/08/202475.93J

Edited to add more Senior pairs that are 2025 Junior Worlds age-eligible (maximum age for the female partner is 21 & the male partner 23 as of July 1, 2024).
 
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Anything GOEs' 13-minute video conversation with Greta & John Crafoord (uploaded Dec. 6, 2024): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RX-7a-7Mxc
At the ISU Pairs Seminar this summer Anna talked to Swedish twin pair team Greta and John Crafoord about their development as a team, creating unique elements, and their goal of qualifying for the Olympics.
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Sylvia said:
Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds (Zhang/Huang will be ISU Senior age-eligible in 2025-26 - she is 17 now according to her ISU bio):
3Anastasiia METELKINA / Luka BERULAVAGEOISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024213.05S
10Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREVUZBISU GP Skate Canada International 202426/10/2024189.65S
19Jiaxuan ZHANG / Yihang HUANGCHNISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024176.09J
27Jazmine DESROCHERS / Kieran THRASHERCANISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024159.77J
31Olivia FLORES / Luke WANGUSAISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024155.82J
34Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWERUSAISU GP Finlandia Trophy 202417/11/2024153.34S
35Sofiia HOLICHENKO / Artem DARENSKYIUKRISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 202422/11/2024151.27S
38Romane TELEMAQUE / Lucas COULONFRAISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024146.38J
39Sae SHIMIZU / Lucas Tsuyoshi HONDAJPNISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024145.66J
40Xuanqi ZHANG / Wenqiang FENGCHNISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024145.55J
43Julia QUATTROCCHI / Simon DESMARAISCANISU Grand Prix Final 2024/2507/12/2024139.13J
48Elizabeth HANSEN / William CHURCHUSAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024132.44J
49Polina POLMAN / Gabriel RENOLDIITAISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024132.06J
50Irina NAPOLITANO / Edoardo COMIITAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024130.55J
51Sofia ENKINA / Nikita KOVALENKOISRISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024130.45J
52Noemie ROLLAND / Etienne LACASSECANISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024130.39J
53Louise EHRHARD / Matthis PELLEGRISFRAISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024129.96J
55Saya CARPENTER / Ignacio [Jon] MARAVILLAUSAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024129.80J
58Debora Anna COHEN / Lukas VOCHOZKACZEISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024128.01J
60Reagan MOSS / Jakub GALBAVYUSAISU JGP Riga Cup 202430/08/2024127.16J
61Claudia Sinclair SCOTTI / Noah QUESADA GRAUESPISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024122.13J
62Addyson MCDANOLD / Aaron FELBERBAUMUSAISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024121.82J
63Nora Marleen ROTHENBUEHLER / Mozes Jozsef BEREIHUNISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024121.11J
65Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKYSVKISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024118.44J
66Katalin Janne SALATZKI / Lukas ROESELERGERISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/2024116.07J
67Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIAESPISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024113.26J
68Aliyah ACKERMANN / Tobija HARMSGERISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024111.17J
69Nikola SITKOVA / Oliver KUBACAKSVKISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024110.92J
70Wiktoria PACHA / Szymon DERECHOWSKIPOLISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024109.90J
71Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORRSUIISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024109.80J
72Melissa MERRONE / Alberto TOMMASIITAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/2024108.60J
73Zarah WOOD / Alex LAPSKYGBRISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/2024103.61J
74Lise REGNIER / Luca NANDROTFRAISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/202498.57J
75Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHERFRAISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/202493.69J
76Rebecca RITCHIE / Kyle MCLEODGBRISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/202492.40J
77Elisabetta PROFAIZER / Matteo Libasse MANDELLIITAISU JGP Solidarity Cup 202427/09/202490.03J
78Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOVGBRISU JGP Riga Cup 202430/08/202475.93J
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I kinda want Metelkina/Berulava to medal at both Junior Worlds and Senior Worlds this year...has it ever been done in skating history? it would be cool.
 
Sylvia said:
Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed on the Senior Grand Prix this season:
3Anastasiia METELKINA / Luka BERULAVAGEOISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024213.05S
10Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREVUZBISU GP Skate Canada International 202426/10/2024189.65S
13Anastasia GOLUBEVA / Hektor GIOTOPOULOS MOOREAUSISU GP Skate Canada International 202426/10/2024186.14S
15Anastasia VAIPAN-LAW / Luke DIGBYGBRISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 202422/11/2024182.37S
21Yuna NAGAOKA / Sumitada MORIGUCHIJPNISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024172.47S
25Milania VAANANEN / Filippo CLERICIFINISU CS John Nicks International Pairs Competition 202404/09/2024165.48S
34Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWERUSAISU GP Finlandia Trophy 202417/11/2024153.34S
42Isabelle MARTINS / Ryan BEDARDUSAISU GP NHK Trophy 202409/11/2024140.63S

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed in ISU Challengers this season:
24Oxana VOUILLAMOZ / Tom BOUVARTSUIISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 202422/11/2024170.09S
26Letizia ROSCHER / Luis SCHUSTERGERISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 202407/12/2024162.69S

Competed on Junior Grand Prix this fall (Zhang/Huang will be ISU Senior age-eligible in 2025-26 - she is 17 now according to her ISU bio):

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The only teams on these lists that have the Jr Worlds CTES mins are MetBeru and WilLew. I cannot imagine that most of these teams will be attempting to earn the Jr Worlds CTES mins, even if they are age-eligible.
 
Karen-W said:
The only teams on these lists that have the Jr Worlds CTES mins are MetBeru and WilLew. I cannot imagine that most of these teams will be attempting to earn the Jr Worlds CTES mins, even if they are age-eligible.
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I know. :) I was going through the ISU bios last night and was surprised how many other pairs fell under the new ISU maximum age requirement.

Congrats to Deanna Stellato-Dudek on taking the Oath of Canadian Citizenship earlier today! :cheer: This happy news is posted in 2 threads in GSD.
 
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farahfan said:
On the topic of citizenship, Korovin just got his Philippine citizenship. The pair is still pretty far from qualifying for the Olympics, but at least that's one hurdle down. They are expected to represent the Philippines at the Asian Winter Games this February.
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I also posted an article link in the OAS News thread in GSD on Dec. 4: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...ters-news-articles.108762/page-4#post-6696978
If the country's president "does not veto the bill, Korovin will officially become a Filipino 15 days after the publication of the signed law in a major newspaper."
 
Karen-W said:
Oh, hell no. Once you medal at the SENIOR GPF or at Euros/4CCs, you have ZERO business competing at Jr Worlds, even if you are age-eligible.
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I'm okay with it. Skating is insanely expensive and I'm all for skaters earning whatever prize money and show money they can.
In speed skating this happened- the American Jordan Stolz who is the best speed skater in the world said he went to Junior Worlds (and got all the medals of course) mainly for the money. Because speed skating is not a lucrative career and he needed to support himself. His parents are just average middle-class people. We always complain that skating is only for the rich, don't we? I'm not saying M/B are in this situation because I don't know, I just think that if the ISU has no problem with them competing then give them the benefit of the doubt that they're doing it for good reasons. And being from a small fed I would suspect they could use the money.
 
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MONTREAL, QC (December 11, 2024) – Earlier this morning, Pairs World Champion Deanna Stellato-Dudek took her Oath of Citizenship in Montreal surrounded by family and friends, formalizing her status as a Canadian citizen. This marks a significant milestone towards the team’s goal of qualifying...
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Deanna Stellato got her Canadian citizenship. Woot woot! :40beers: :cheer2:
 
farahfan said:
I'm okay with it. Skating is insanely expensive and I'm all for skaters earning whatever prize money and show money they can.
In speed skating this happened- the American Jordan Stolz who is the best speed skater in the world said he went to Junior Worlds (and got all the medals of course) mainly for the money. Because speed skating is not a lucrative career and he needed to support himself. His parents are just average middle-class people. We always complain that skating is only for the rich, don't we? I'm not saying M/B are in this situation because I don't know, I just think that if the ISU has no problem with them competing then give them the benefit of the doubt that they're doing it for good reasons. And being from a small fed I would suspect they could use the money.
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Doesn't matter. They are taking away opportunities and income from junior skaters who are truly at a different stage of their development. If you win a medal at a major senior level event, you are winning a lot of proze money already. Don't be greedy and take it away from those skaters coming up behind.
 
Re-posting from the OES news thread -
Karen-W said:
Kucianova/Bidar have split and Simioli/Zarbo have retired due to injuries, so no Czech senior pairs teams at this time.

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České krasobruslení bez sportovní dvojice. Bidař a Kucianová se rozešli, Italové ukončili kariéru - Sport.cz

České krasobruslení nemá v současnosti žádnou seniorskou sportovní dvojici. Martin Bidař a Barbora Kucianová se rozešli. Italští rodáci reprezentující Česko Federica Simioliová a Alessandro Zarbo kvůli opakovaným zraněním ukončili kariéru. Česká republika proto v této kategorii neobsadí v...
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Yeeeeeesh... Hopefully Barbora will be able to find a new & better partner. And that Martin will just retire and stop splitting up promising junior pairs teams.
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Aleksandr Korovin article in The Philippine Star (Dec. 23, 2024): https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...-figure-skater-granted-philippine-citizenship
Republic Act No. 12115 signed on Dec. 20 granted the figure skater Philippine citizenship with all the rights, privileges, prerogatives, duties and obligations attached to it under the Constitution and existing laws.
Korovin will take the oath of allegiance to the Philippines to be registered with the Bureau of Immigration. The bureau will then issue a certificate of naturalization to the athlete.
During a hearing of the House justice committee this year, the Russian figure skater vowed to give his 100 percent in his training and competitions for the Philippines. He also expressed desire to bring pride and honor to the Philippines and to train Filipino children.
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Re-posting from the Korean news thread in GSD:
EdgyIceMarks said:
So this is Oakville, Ontario with Bruno Marcotte?
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Hye Jin Cho's 1-minute video today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97mi_lcEH0

Rodion Marinsky's most recent partner of 3 seasons in Junior: https://www.skatingscores.com/rus/pairs/anastasia_egorova_rodion_marinsky/

He was in Toronto in mid-July: https://www.instagram.com/rodion_marinsky

ETA - his date of birth is listed as February 8, 2003: https://allskaters.info/rodion_marinsky/

Cho turned 19 last month: https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00117191.htm
 
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Re-posting here from the German News thread in GSD (CC: @farahfan); I've just created the competition thread in Kiss & Cry for the 2025 Bavarian Open, Jan. 20-26 in Oberstdorf (but can't copy-and-paste all the entries in there from the Sportity app):
sandra_persch said:
Salatki / Roesler and Löwenherz / Löwenherz are on the entry list for Bavarian Open (sportity code BO2025.
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Junior Pairs entries (18!):
*Paola Jurisic/Michail Savenkov AUT https://skatingscores.com/aut/pairs/paola_jurisic_michail_savenkov/
Ariano Kent/Liberte Laurent CAN (first comp. of season)
Kemp/Elizarov CAN
Cohen/Volchozka CZE
*Kviderova/Klement CZE
*Zilkova/Becerra CZE
*Mouedden/Garcia ESP (62.61 CTES)
*Megan Yudin/Patricio Rossi Lopez ESP (int'l debut)
Ehrhard/Pellegris FRA
*Liget-Latus/Fisher FRA
*Davison/Borisov GBR
Loewenherz/Loewenherz GER
Salatki/Roesler GER
*Lily Wilberforce (from CAN)/Mozes Jozsef Berei HUN (new)
Napolitano/Comi ITA
*Pazienza/Knorr SUI
*Vouillamoz/Bouvart SUI (first Junior int'l)
*Heckova/Valky SVK

ETA: * = looking for CTES minimum of 63 for 2025 Junior Worlds

Senior Pairs entries (7):
Schaller/Mayr AUT
*McIntosh/Zandron ESP
*Alteryd/Pierre FRA
*Faula/Belle FRA (84.28)
*Gamez/Korovin PHI (81.10)
*Mauder/Wilkinson RSA
*Crafoord/Crafoord SWE (85.57)

ETA 2 - looking for the 88 CTES for Worlds
 
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Senior Pairs entries (7):
Schaller/Mayr AUT
*McIntosh/Zandron ESP
*Alteryd/Pierre FRA
*Faula/Belle FRA (84.28)
*Gamez/Korovin PHI (81.10)
*Mauder/Wilkinson RSA
*Crafoord/Crafoord SWE (85.57)
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Thank you!
Kinda unpredictable seniors podium, but I think the real prize will be the CTES minimums most of them are after. Let's see if they all show up in the end. Korovin just had to fly to Manila for his citizenship oath, but the pair has been training hard in Sochi over Christmas.
Very excited to see if McIntosh/Z can build on their good performance at Nationals.
 
Karen-W said:
No. SB Top 24 only guarantees 1 GP. Same with WS Top 24 (and even that isn't necessarily the case - both Caldara/Maglio & the Mokhovs were in the WS Top 24 at the end of last season, but neither got a GP).
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historically, if a pair gets assigned least one GP pre-season, are they very likely to get a second during the season due to all the withdrawals?
 
farahfan said:
historically, if a pair gets assigned least one GP pre-season, are they very likely to get a second during the season due to all the withdrawals?
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It really depends on the season & injuries to other teams, etc.
 
Karen-W said:
Doesn't matter. They are taking away opportunities and income from junior skaters who are truly at a different stage of their development. If you win a medal at a major senior level event, you are winning a lot of proze money already. Don't be greedy and take it away from those skaters coming up behind.
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It's not like there's a plethora of pairs teams. If they're good enough to skate at both, go for it. Save the tears for your pillow.

I am unbiased because I am definitely rooting for METELKINA/BERULAVA to miss the podium at senior worlds this season.
 
@Karen-W recently posted the Junior Pairs entries at Bavarian Open (they compete on Jan. 22-23) in the competition thread in Kiss & Cry:

1 JURISIC Paola / SAVENKOV Michail AUT 1 [NEW; debut here]
2 ARIANO KENT Martina / LALIBERTE LAURENT Charly CAN 2
3 KEMP Ava / ELIZAROV Yohnatan CAN 2
4 COHEN Debora Anna / VOCHOZKA Lukas CZE 3
5 KVIDEROVA Alzbeta / KLEMENT Jindrich CZE 3
6 ZILKOVA Johanka / BECERRA Matyas Rafael CZE 3
7 MOUDDEN Ines / GARCIA Alejandro Lazaro ESP 4
8 YUDIN Megan / ROSSI LOPEZ Patrizio Romano ESP 4 [NEW this season; debut here]
9 EHRHARD Louise / PELLEGRIS Matthis FRA 5
10 LIGET-LATUS Clelia / FISHER Allan Daniel FRA 5
11 DAVISON Neamh / BORISOV Daniel GBR 6
12 LOEWENHERZ Sonja / LOEWENHERZ Robert GER 7
13 SALATZKI Katalin Janne / ROESELER Lukas GER 7
14 WILBERFORCE Lily / BEREI Mozes Jozsef HUN 8 [NEW; debut here]
15 NAPOLITANO Irina / COMI Edoardo ITA 9
16 PAZIENZA Chiara Michaela / KNORR Maxim SUI 10
17 VOUILLAMOZ Oxana / BOUVART Tom SUI 10 [NEW this season; Junior int'l debut here for Junior Worlds CTES; scheduled for Euros]
18 HECKOVA Laura / VALKY Alex SVK 11

Who else in this list is still looking for the Junior Worlds CTES of 63?
 
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jägerbomb said:
It's not like there's a plethora of pairs teams. If they're good enough to skate at both, go for it. Save the tears for your pillow!
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1) Junior level competitions are supposed to be developmental. A senior team who MEDALS at the GPF, Euros, 4CCs or Worlds is already well beyond the parameters of the intent & purpose of competing at an ISU junior competition.

2) There are 25 junior age-eligible pairs teams apart from MetBeru who already HAVE the Jr Worlds CTES mins. The current projection for the # pairs teams at Jr Worlds is 18 (due to entries being limited to 3 max per country), however there are 11 teams competing at Bavarian Open who are trying to achieve the Jr Worlds CTES mins, one of whom (Vouillamoz/Bouvart SUI) already has the Worlds CTES mins, so they should easily get the Jr Worlds CTES min, which would bump us up to 19 teams minimum. Realistically, there are probably 2 other countries with entries who may be able to earn the CTES mins (ESP & SVK), which would give us 21 pairs teams at Jr Worlds.

3) I know that 18-21 teams may seem like a tiny number to you, but it is remarkable progress for the discipline and shows that countries are growing more competitive in it.

There's no need for a ringer team like MetBeru, who already won Jr Worlds once, to come back and take away prize money as well as placements which determine Jr Worlds & JGP spots for the following season from other teams & countries, especially when there are ZERO other teams from Georgia, at any level - sr, jr, adv novice - who would need competition opportunities.

I have no tears on my pillow - just a very consistent position on this particular subject. I criticized the JSF for sending Kao Miura to Jr Worlds a couple years ago after he qualified for the GPF and won 4CCs. I'd give the USFS some major side-eye if they sent Alysa Liu or Isabeau Levito to Jr Worlds while they're still age-eligible.
 
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@Karen-W recently posted the Junior Pairs entries at Bavarian Open (they compete on Jan. 22-23) in the competition thread in Kiss & Cry:

1 JURISIC Paola / SAVENKOV Michail AUT 1 [NEW; debut here]
2 ARIANO KENT Martina / LALIBERTE LAURENT Charly CAN 2
3 KEMP Ava / ELIZAROV Yohnatan CAN 2
4 COHEN Debora Anna / VOCHOZKA Lukas CZE 3
5 KVIDEROVA Alzbeta / KLEMENT Jindrich CZE 3
6 ZILKOVA Johanka / BECERRA Matyas Rafael CZE 3
7 MOUDDEN Ines / GARCIA Alejandro Lazaro ESP 4
8 YUDIN Megan / ROSSI LOPEZ Patrizio Romano ESP 4 [NEW this season; debut here]
9 EHRHARD Louise / PELLEGRIS Matthis FRA 5
10 LIGET-LATUS Clelia / FISHER Allan Daniel FRA 5
11 DAVISON Neamh / BORISOV Daniel GBR 6
12 LOEWENHERZ Sonja / LOEWENHERZ Robert GER 7
13 SALATZKI Katalin Janne / ROESELER Lukas GER 7
14 WILBERFORCE Lily / BEREI Mozes Jozsef HUN 8 [NEW; debut here]
15 NAPOLITANO Irina / COMI Edoardo ITA 9
16 PAZIENZA Chiara Michaela / KNORR Maxim SUI 10
17 VOUILLAMOZ Oxana / BOUVART Tom SUI 10 [NEW this season; Junior int'l debut here for Junior Worlds CTES; scheduled for Euros]
18 HECKOVA Laura / VALKY Alex SVK 11

Who else in this list is still looking for the Junior Worlds CTES of 63?
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Karen-W said:
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Yikes, totally forgot to look upthread - no wonder I had a feeling of déjà vu while I was typing that post! :D CTES of 63 is attainable for 3, maybe 4, of the Junior pairs below:

From the CTES Junior Pairs list: https://results.isu.org/isujsstat/CTES/ctespjustjun.htm
Alzbeta KVIDEROVA / Jindrich KLEMENTCZE56.1016th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202402/11/202418.84J16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202403/11/202437.26J
Johanka ZILKOVA / Matyas Rafael BECERRACZE49.5416th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202402/11/202420.87J16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202403/11/202428.67J
Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIAESP62.61Diamond Spin 202419/10/202423.63JDiamond Spin 202420/10/202438.98J
Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHERFRA43.46ISU JGP Czech Skate 202405/09/202414.67JISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/202428.79J
Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOVGBR43.34ISU JGP Riga Cup 202429/08/202413.40JJohn Nicks Pairs Competition 202404/09/202429.94J
Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORRSUI61.69Budapest Trophy 202411/10/202424.78JBudapest Trophy 202412/10/202436.91J
Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKYSVK58.05ISU JGP Czech Skate 202405/09/202425.05JISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/202433.00J
 
Sylvia said:
Yikes, totally forgot to look upthread - no wonder I had a feeling of déjà vu while I was typing that post! :D CTES of 63 is attainable for 3, maybe 4, of the Junior pairs below:

From the CTES Junior Pairs list: https://results.isu.org/isujsstat/CTES/ctespjustjun.htm
Alzbeta KVIDEROVA / Jindrich KLEMENTCZE56.1016th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202402/11/202418.84J16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202403/11/202437.26J
Johanka ZILKOVA / Matyas Rafael BECERRACZE49.5416th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202402/11/202420.87J16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 202403/11/202428.67J
Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIAESP62.61Diamond Spin 202419/10/202423.63JDiamond Spin 202420/10/202438.98J
Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHERFRA43.46ISU JGP Czech Skate 202405/09/202414.67JISU JGP Czech Skate 202406/09/202428.79J
Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOVGBR43.34ISU JGP Riga Cup 202429/08/202413.40JJohn Nicks Pairs Competition 202404/09/202429.94J
Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORRSUI61.69Budapest Trophy 202411/10/202424.78JBudapest Trophy 202412/10/202436.91J
Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKYSVK58.05ISU JGP Czech Skate 202405/09/202425.05JISU JGP Ankara 202420/09/202433.00J
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Agreed - Kviderova/Klement, Moudden/Garcia, Pazienza/Knorr and Heckova/Valky seem to be within reach.

I looked at the results from Spanish Nats and I think it's doable for Yudin/Rossi Lopez also - their TES there was higher than Moudden/Garcia.

I don't think it's at all doable for Jurisic/Savenkov based on their results from Austrian Nats though.

Wilberforce/Berei - possibly? He was able to earn the Jr Worlds TES mins last year with Nora Roethenbuehler; so if Lily is a stronger partner, they may surprise us at Bavarian Open.
 
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