2024-25 Pairs General Discussion - Who Wants to Skate Forever (in Junior Pairs)?

[Karen-W]

If it was the end of the season now, would the top 24 teams be guaranteed two Grand Prix’s next season

No. SB Top 24 only guarantees 1 GP. Same with WS Top 24 (and even that isn't necessarily the case - both Caldara/Maglio & the Mokhovs were in the WS Top 24 at the end of last season, but neither got a GP).

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

No. SB Top 24 only guarantees 1 GP. Same with WS Top 24 (and even that isn't necessarily the case - both Caldara/Maglio & the Mokhovs were in the WS Top 24 at the end of last season, but neither got a GP).

Oh yeah, what am I thinking. Altogether there’s only 48 slots in Pairs for all six events, if they pick the top 24, that would take all 48 slots with no excess choices for host spots, and other entries.

 

[Sylvia]

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed on the Senior Grand Prix this season:

3	Anastasiia METELKINA / Luka BERULAVA	GEO	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	213.05	S
10	Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREV	UZB	ISU GP Skate Canada International 2024	26/10/2024	189.65	S
13	Anastasia GOLUBEVA / Hektor GIOTOPOULOS MOORE	AUS	ISU GP Skate Canada International 2024	26/10/2024	186.14	S
15	Anastasia VAIPAN-LAW / Luke DIGBY	GBR	ISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 2024	22/11/2024	182.37	S
21	Yuna NAGAOKA / Sumitada MORIGUCHI	JPN	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	172.47	S
25	Milania VAANANEN / Filippo CLERICI	FIN	ISU CS John Nicks International Pairs Competition 2024	04/09/2024	165.48	S
34	Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWER	USA	ISU GP Finlandia Trophy 2024	17/11/2024	153.34	S
42	Isabelle MARTINS / Ryan BEDARD	USA	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	140.63	S

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed in ISU Challengers this season:

24	Oxana VOUILLAMOZ / Tom BOUVART	SUI	ISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 2024	22/11/2024	170.09	S
26	Letizia ROSCHER / Luis SCHUSTER	GER	ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2024	07/12/2024	162.69	S

Competed on Junior Grand Prix this fall (Zhang/Huang will be ISU Senior age-eligible in 2025-26 - she is 17 now according to her ISU bio):

19	Jiaxuan ZHANG / Yihang HUANG	CHN	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	176.09	J
27	Jazmine DESROCHERS / Kieran THRASHER	CAN	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	159.77	J
31	Olivia FLORES / Luke WANG	USA	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	155.82	J
35	Sofiia HOLICHENKO / Artem DARENSKYI	UKR	ISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 2024	22/11/2024	151.27	S
38	Romane TELEMAQUE / Lucas COULON	FRA	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	146.38	J
39	Sae SHIMIZU / Lucas Tsuyoshi HONDA	JPN	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	145.66	J
40	Xuanqi ZHANG / Wenqiang FENG	CHN	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	145.55	J
43	Julia QUATTROCCHI / Simon DESMARAIS	CAN	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	139.13	J
48	Elizabeth HANSEN / William CHURCH	USA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	132.44	J
49	Polina POLMAN / Gabriel RENOLDI	ITA	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	132.06	J
50	Irina NAPOLITANO / Edoardo COMI	ITA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	130.55	J
51	Sofia ENKINA / Nikita KOVALENKO	ISR	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	130.45	J
52	Noemie ROLLAND / Etienne LACASSE	CAN	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	130.39	J
53	Louise EHRHARD / Matthis PELLEGRIS	FRA	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	129.96	J
55	Saya CARPENTER / Ignacio [Jon] MARAVILLA	USA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	129.80	J
58	Debora Anna COHEN / Lukas VOCHOZKA	CZE	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	128.01	J
60	Reagan MOSS / Jakub GALBAVY	USA	ISU JGP Riga Cup 2024	30/08/2024	127.16	J
61	Claudia Sinclair SCOTTI / Noah QUESADA GRAU	ESP	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	122.13	J
62	Addyson MCDANOLD / Aaron FELBERBAUM	USA	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	121.82	J
63	Nora Marleen ROTHENBUEHLER / Mozes Jozsef BEREI	HUN	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	121.11	J
65	Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKY	SVK	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	118.44	J
66	Katalin Janne SALATZKI / Lukas ROESELER	GER	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	116.07	J
67	Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIA	ESP	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	113.26	J
68	Aliyah ACKERMANN / Tobija HARMS	GER	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	111.17	J
69	Nikola SITKOVA / Oliver KUBACAK	SVK	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	110.92	J
70	Wiktoria PACHA / Szymon DERECHOWSKI	POL	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	109.90	J
71	Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORR	SUI	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	109.80	J
72	Melissa MERRONE / Alberto TOMMASI	ITA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	108.60	J
73	Zarah WOOD / Alex LAPSKY	GBR	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	103.61	J
74	Lise REGNIER / Luca NANDROT	FRA	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	98.57	J
75	Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHER	FRA	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	93.69	J
76	Rebecca RITCHIE / Kyle MCLEOD	GBR	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	92.40	J
77	Elisabetta PROFAIZER / Matteo Libasse MANDELLI	ITA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	90.03	J
78	Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOV	GBR	ISU JGP Riga Cup 2024	30/08/2024	75.93	J

Edited to add more Senior pairs that are 2025 Junior Worlds age-eligible (maximum age for the female partner is 21 & the male partner 23 as of July 1, 2024).

 

[Sylvia]

Anything GOEs' 13-minute video conversation with Greta & John Crafoord (uploaded Dec. 6, 2024): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RX-7a-7Mxc

At the ISU Pairs Seminar this summer Anna talked to Swedish twin pair team Greta and John Crafoord about their development as a team, creating unique elements, and their goal of qualifying for the Olympics.

 

[farahfan]

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds (Zhang/Huang will be ISU Senior age-eligible in 2025-26 - she is 17 now according to her ISU bio):

3	Anastasiia METELKINA / Luka BERULAVA	GEO	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	213.05	S
10	Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREV	UZB	ISU GP Skate Canada International 2024	26/10/2024	189.65	S
19	Jiaxuan ZHANG / Yihang HUANG	CHN	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	176.09	J
27	Jazmine DESROCHERS / Kieran THRASHER	CAN	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	159.77	J
31	Olivia FLORES / Luke WANG	USA	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	155.82	J
34	Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWER	USA	ISU GP Finlandia Trophy 2024	17/11/2024	153.34	S
35	Sofiia HOLICHENKO / Artem DARENSKYI	UKR	ISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 2024	22/11/2024	151.27	S
38	Romane TELEMAQUE / Lucas COULON	FRA	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	146.38	J
39	Sae SHIMIZU / Lucas Tsuyoshi HONDA	JPN	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	145.66	J
40	Xuanqi ZHANG / Wenqiang FENG	CHN	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	145.55	J
43	Julia QUATTROCCHI / Simon DESMARAIS	CAN	ISU Grand Prix Final 2024/25	07/12/2024	139.13	J
48	Elizabeth HANSEN / William CHURCH	USA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	132.44	J
49	Polina POLMAN / Gabriel RENOLDI	ITA	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	132.06	J
50	Irina NAPOLITANO / Edoardo COMI	ITA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	130.55	J
51	Sofia ENKINA / Nikita KOVALENKO	ISR	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	130.45	J
52	Noemie ROLLAND / Etienne LACASSE	CAN	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	130.39	J
53	Louise EHRHARD / Matthis PELLEGRIS	FRA	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	129.96	J
55	Saya CARPENTER / Ignacio [Jon] MARAVILLA	USA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	129.80	J
58	Debora Anna COHEN / Lukas VOCHOZKA	CZE	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	128.01	J
60	Reagan MOSS / Jakub GALBAVY	USA	ISU JGP Riga Cup 2024	30/08/2024	127.16	J
61	Claudia Sinclair SCOTTI / Noah QUESADA GRAU	ESP	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	122.13	J
62	Addyson MCDANOLD / Aaron FELBERBAUM	USA	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	121.82	J
63	Nora Marleen ROTHENBUEHLER / Mozes Jozsef BEREI	HUN	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	121.11	J
65	Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKY	SVK	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	118.44	J
66	Katalin Janne SALATZKI / Lukas ROESELER	GER	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	116.07	J
67	Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIA	ESP	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	113.26	J
68	Aliyah ACKERMANN / Tobija HARMS	GER	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	111.17	J
69	Nikola SITKOVA / Oliver KUBACAK	SVK	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	110.92	J
70	Wiktoria PACHA / Szymon DERECHOWSKI	POL	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	109.90	J
71	Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORR	SUI	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	109.80	J
72	Melissa MERRONE / Alberto TOMMASI	ITA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	108.60	J
73	Zarah WOOD / Alex LAPSKY	GBR	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	103.61	J
74	Lise REGNIER / Luca NANDROT	FRA	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	98.57	J
75	Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHER	FRA	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	93.69	J
76	Rebecca RITCHIE / Kyle MCLEOD	GBR	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	92.40	J
77	Elisabetta PROFAIZER / Matteo Libasse MANDELLI	ITA	ISU JGP Solidarity Cup 2024	27/09/2024	90.03	J
78	Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOV	GBR	ISU JGP Riga Cup 2024	30/08/2024	75.93	J

I kinda want Metelkina/Berulava to medal at both Junior Worlds and Senior Worlds this year...has it ever been done in skating history? it would be cool.

 

[Sylvia]

Gordeeva & Grinkov won 1985 Junior Worlds (December 1984 in Colorado Springs, CO) and then 1986 Worlds in Geneva, Switzerland (their debut).

 

[Karen-W]

I kinda want Metelkina/Berulava to medal at both Junior Worlds and Senior Worlds this year...has it ever been done in skating history? it would be cool.

Oh, hell no. Once you medal at the SENIOR GPF or at Euros/4CCs, you have ZERO business competing at Jr Worlds, even if you are age-eligible.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Not Worlds -- they came in 9th at their first Senior Worlds in 2012 -- but Sui/Han won 4C's in 2012, the first time they competed, and then their third Jr. Worlds title soon after.

https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_cr_00012227.htm

 

[Karen-W]

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed on the Senior Grand Prix this season:

3	Anastasiia METELKINA / Luka BERULAVA	GEO	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	213.05	S
10	Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREV	UZB	ISU GP Skate Canada International 2024	26/10/2024	189.65	S
13	Anastasia GOLUBEVA / Hektor GIOTOPOULOS MOORE	AUS	ISU GP Skate Canada International 2024	26/10/2024	186.14	S
15	Anastasia VAIPAN-LAW / Luke DIGBY	GBR	ISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 2024	22/11/2024	182.37	S
21	Yuna NAGAOKA / Sumitada MORIGUCHI	JPN	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	172.47	S
25	Milania VAANANEN / Filippo CLERICI	FIN	ISU CS John Nicks International Pairs Competition 2024	04/09/2024	165.48	S
34	Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWER	USA	ISU GP Finlandia Trophy 2024	17/11/2024	153.34	S
42	Isabelle MARTINS / Ryan BEDARD	USA	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2024	09/11/2024	140.63	S

Pairs age-eligible for 2025 Junior Worlds that competed in ISU Challengers this season:

24	Oxana VOUILLAMOZ / Tom BOUVART	SUI	ISU CS PGE Warsaw Cup 2024	22/11/2024	170.09	S
26	Letizia ROSCHER / Luis SCHUSTER	GER	ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2024	07/12/2024	162.69	S

Competed on Junior Grand Prix this fall (Zhang/Huang will be ISU Senior age-eligible in 2025-26 - she is 17 now according to her ISU bio):

Edited to add more Senior pairs that are 2025 Junior Worlds age-eligible (maximum age for the female partner is 21 & the male partner 23 as of July 1, 2024).

The only teams on these lists that have the Jr Worlds CTES mins are MetBeru and WilLew. I cannot imagine that most of these teams will be attempting to earn the Jr Worlds CTES mins, even if they are age-eligible.

 

[farahfan]

The only teams on these lists that have the Jr Worlds CTES mins are MetBeru and WilLew. I cannot imagine that most of these teams will be attempting to earn the Jr Worlds CTES mins, even if they are age-eligible.

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[Sylvia]

The only teams on these lists that have the Jr Worlds CTES mins are MetBeru and WilLew. I cannot imagine that most of these teams will be attempting to earn the Jr Worlds CTES mins, even if they are age-eligible.

I know. I was going through the ISU bios last night and was surprised how many other pairs fell under the new ISU maximum age requirement.

Congrats to Deanna Stellato-Dudek on taking the Oath of Canadian Citizenship earlier today! This happy news is posted in 2 threads in GSD.

 

[Sylvia]

On the topic of citizenship, Korovin just got his Philippine citizenship. The pair is still pretty far from qualifying for the Olympics, but at least that's one hurdle down. They are expected to represent the Philippines at the Asian Winter Games this February.

I also posted an article link in the OAS News thread in GSD on Dec. 4: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...ters-news-articles.108762/page-4#post-6696978
If the country's president "does not veto the bill, Korovin will officially become a Filipino 15 days after the publication of the signed law in a major newspaper."

 

[farahfan]

Oh, hell no. Once you medal at the SENIOR GPF or at Euros/4CCs, you have ZERO business competing at Jr Worlds, even if you are age-eligible.

I'm okay with it. Skating is insanely expensive and I'm all for skaters earning whatever prize money and show money they can.
In speed skating this happened- the American Jordan Stolz who is the best speed skater in the world said he went to Junior Worlds (and got all the medals of course) mainly for the money. Because speed skating is not a lucrative career and he needed to support himself. His parents are just average middle-class people. We always complain that skating is only for the rich, don't we? I'm not saying M/B are in this situation because I don't know, I just think that if the ISU has no problem with them competing then give them the benefit of the doubt that they're doing it for good reasons. And being from a small fed I would suspect they could use the money.

 

[skategal]

Pairs World Champions Open New Door for the Winter Olympic Games

MONTREAL, QC (December 11, 2024) – Earlier this morning, Pairs World Champion Deanna Stellato-Dudek took her Oath of Citizenship in Montreal surrounded by family and friends, formalizing her status as a Canadian citizen. This marks a significant milestone towards the team’s goal of qualifying...

skatecanada.ca

Deanna Stellato got her Canadian citizenship. Woot woot!

 

[Karen-W]

I'm okay with it. Skating is insanely expensive and I'm all for skaters earning whatever prize money and show money they can.
In speed skating this happened- the American Jordan Stolz who is the best speed skater in the world said he went to Junior Worlds (and got all the medals of course) mainly for the money. Because speed skating is not a lucrative career and he needed to support himself. His parents are just average middle-class people. We always complain that skating is only for the rich, don't we? I'm not saying M/B are in this situation because I don't know, I just think that if the ISU has no problem with them competing then give them the benefit of the doubt that they're doing it for good reasons. And being from a small fed I would suspect they could use the money.

Doesn't matter. They are taking away opportunities and income from junior skaters who are truly at a different stage of their development. If you win a medal at a major senior level event, you are winning a lot of proze money already. Don't be greedy and take it away from those skaters coming up behind.

 

[Karen-W]

Re-posting from the OES news thread -

Kucianova/Bidar have split and Simioli/Zarbo have retired due to injuries, so no Czech senior pairs teams at this time.

České krasobruslení bez sportovní dvojice. Bidař a Kucianová se rozešli, Italové ukončili kariéru - Sport.cz

České krasobruslení nemá v současnosti žádnou seniorskou sportovní dvojici. Martin Bidař a Barbora Kucianová se rozešli. Italští rodáci reprezentující Česko Federica Simioliová a Alessandro Zarbo kvůli opakovaným zraněním ukončili kariéru. Česká republika proto v této kategorii neobsadí v...

www.sport.cz

Yeeeeeesh... Hopefully Barbora will be able to find a new & better partner. And that Martin will just retire and stop splitting up promising junior pairs teams.

 

[Sylvia]

Aleksandr Korovin article in The Philippine Star (Dec. 23, 2024): https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...-figure-skater-granted-philippine-citizenship

Republic Act No. 12115 signed on Dec. 20 granted the figure skater Philippine citizenship with all the rights, privileges, prerogatives, duties and obligations attached to it under the Constitution and existing laws.
Korovin will take the oath of allegiance to the Philippines to be registered with the Bureau of Immigration. The bureau will then issue a certificate of naturalization to the athlete.
During a hearing of the House justice committee this year, the Russian figure skater vowed to give his 100 percent in his training and competitions for the Philippines. He also expressed desire to bring pride and honor to the Philippines and to train Filipino children.

 

[Sylvia]

Re-posting from the Korean news thread in GSD:

So this is Oakville, Ontario with Bruno Marcotte?

Hye Jin Cho's 1-minute video today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97mi_lcEH0

Rodion Marinsky's most recent partner of 3 seasons in Junior: https://www.skatingscores.com/rus/pairs/anastasia_egorova_rodion_marinsky/

He was in Toronto in mid-July: https://www.instagram.com/rodion_marinsky

ETA - his date of birth is listed as February 8, 2003: https://allskaters.info/rodion_marinsky/

Cho turned 19 last month: https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00117191.htm

 

[farahfan]

Aleksandr Korovin article in The Philippine Star (Dec. 23, 2024): https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...-figure-skater-granted-philippine-citizenship

A nice Christmas gift for Gamez/Korovin, and for Philippine sports!
Will be exciting to see how the long-term commitment plays out. The pair posts videos every year of their training sessions with young skaters and seem to really enjoy themselves.

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[Sylvia]

Re-posting here from the German News thread in GSD (CC: @farahfan); I've just created the competition thread in Kiss & Cry for the 2025 Bavarian Open, Jan. 20-26 in Oberstdorf (but can't copy-and-paste all the entries in there from the Sportity app):

Salatki / Roesler and Löwenherz / Löwenherz are on the entry list for Bavarian Open (sportity code BO2025.

Junior Pairs entries (18!):
*Paola Jurisic/Michail Savenkov AUT https://skatingscores.com/aut/pairs/paola_jurisic_michail_savenkov/
Ariano Kent/Liberte Laurent CAN (first comp. of season)
Kemp/Elizarov CAN
Cohen/Volchozka CZE
*Kviderova/Klement CZE
*Zilkova/Becerra CZE
*Mouedden/Garcia ESP (62.61 CTES)
*Megan Yudin/Patricio Rossi Lopez ESP (int'l debut)
Ehrhard/Pellegris FRA
*Liget-Latus/Fisher FRA
*Davison/Borisov GBR
Loewenherz/Loewenherz GER
Salatki/Roesler GER
*Lily Wilberforce (from CAN)/Mozes Jozsef Berei HUN (new)
Napolitano/Comi ITA
*Pazienza/Knorr SUI
*Vouillamoz/Bouvart SUI (first Junior int'l)
*Heckova/Valky SVK

ETA: * = looking for CTES minimum of 63 for 2025 Junior Worlds

Senior Pairs entries (7):
Schaller/Mayr AUT
*McIntosh/Zandron ESP
*Alteryd/Pierre FRA
*Faula/Belle FRA (84.28)
*Gamez/Korovin PHI (81.10)
*Mauder/Wilkinson RSA
*Crafoord/Crafoord SWE (85.57)

ETA 2 - looking for the 88 CTES for Worlds

 

[farahfan]

Senior Pairs entries (7):
Schaller/Mayr AUT
*McIntosh/Zandron ESP
*Alteryd/Pierre FRA
*Faula/Belle FRA (84.28)
*Gamez/Korovin PHI (81.10)
*Mauder/Wilkinson RSA
*Crafoord/Crafoord SWE (85.57)

Thank you!
Kinda unpredictable seniors podium, but I think the real prize will be the CTES minimums most of them are after. Let's see if they all show up in the end. Korovin just had to fly to Manila for his citizenship oath, but the pair has been training hard in Sochi over Christmas.
Very excited to see if McIntosh/Z can build on their good performance at Nationals.

 

[kalamalka]

Glad that the 2 Canadian junior pairs will have the chance for an international competition ahead of JW, since they both missed the fall season.

 

[farahfan]

No. SB Top 24 only guarantees 1 GP. Same with WS Top 24 (and even that isn't necessarily the case - both Caldara/Maglio & the Mokhovs were in the WS Top 24 at the end of last season, but neither got a GP).

historically, if a pair gets assigned least one GP pre-season, are they very likely to get a second during the season due to all the withdrawals?

 

[Karen-W]

historically, if a pair gets assigned least one GP pre-season, are they very likely to get a second during the season due to all the withdrawals?

It really depends on the season & injuries to other teams, etc.

 

[jägerbomb]

Doesn't matter. They are taking away opportunities and income from junior skaters who are truly at a different stage of their development. If you win a medal at a major senior level event, you are winning a lot of proze money already. Don't be greedy and take it away from those skaters coming up behind.

It's not like there's a plethora of pairs teams. If they're good enough to skate at both, go for it. Save the tears for your pillow.

I am unbiased because I am definitely rooting for METELKINA/BERULAVA to miss the podium at senior worlds this season.

 

[Sylvia]

@Karen-W recently posted the Junior Pairs entries at Bavarian Open (they compete on Jan. 22-23) in the competition thread in Kiss & Cry:

1 JURISIC Paola / SAVENKOV Michail AUT 1 [NEW; debut here]
2 ARIANO KENT Martina / LALIBERTE LAURENT Charly CAN 2
3 KEMP Ava / ELIZAROV Yohnatan CAN 2
4 COHEN Debora Anna / VOCHOZKA Lukas CZE 3
5 KVIDEROVA Alzbeta / KLEMENT Jindrich CZE 3
6 ZILKOVA Johanka / BECERRA Matyas Rafael CZE 3
7 MOUDDEN Ines / GARCIA Alejandro Lazaro ESP 4
8 YUDIN Megan / ROSSI LOPEZ Patrizio Romano ESP 4 [NEW this season; debut here]
9 EHRHARD Louise / PELLEGRIS Matthis FRA 5
10 LIGET-LATUS Clelia / FISHER Allan Daniel FRA 5
11 DAVISON Neamh / BORISOV Daniel GBR 6
12 LOEWENHERZ Sonja / LOEWENHERZ Robert GER 7
13 SALATZKI Katalin Janne / ROESELER Lukas GER 7
14 WILBERFORCE Lily / BEREI Mozes Jozsef HUN 8 [NEW; debut here]
15 NAPOLITANO Irina / COMI Edoardo ITA 9
16 PAZIENZA Chiara Michaela / KNORR Maxim SUI 10
17 VOUILLAMOZ Oxana / BOUVART Tom SUI 10 [NEW this season; Junior int'l debut here for Junior Worlds CTES; scheduled for Euros]
18 HECKOVA Laura / VALKY Alex SVK 11

Who else in this list is still looking for the Junior Worlds CTES of 63?

 

[Karen-W]

It's not like there's a plethora of pairs teams. If they're good enough to skate at both, go for it. Save the tears for your pillow!

1) Junior level competitions are supposed to be developmental. A senior team who MEDALS at the GPF, Euros, 4CCs or Worlds is already well beyond the parameters of the intent & purpose of competing at an ISU junior competition.

2) There are 25 junior age-eligible pairs teams apart from MetBeru who already HAVE the Jr Worlds CTES mins. The current projection for the # pairs teams at Jr Worlds is 18 (due to entries being limited to 3 max per country), however there are 11 teams competing at Bavarian Open who are trying to achieve the Jr Worlds CTES mins, one of whom (Vouillamoz/Bouvart SUI) already has the Worlds CTES mins, so they should easily get the Jr Worlds CTES min, which would bump us up to 19 teams minimum. Realistically, there are probably 2 other countries with entries who may be able to earn the CTES mins (ESP & SVK), which would give us 21 pairs teams at Jr Worlds.

3) I know that 18-21 teams may seem like a tiny number to you, but it is remarkable progress for the discipline and shows that countries are growing more competitive in it.

There's no need for a ringer team like MetBeru, who already won Jr Worlds once, to come back and take away prize money as well as placements which determine Jr Worlds & JGP spots for the following season from other teams & countries, especially when there are ZERO other teams from Georgia, at any level - sr, jr, adv novice - who would need competition opportunities.

I have no tears on my pillow - just a very consistent position on this particular subject. I criticized the JSF for sending Kao Miura to Jr Worlds a couple years ago after he qualified for the GPF and won 4CCs. I'd give the USFS some major side-eye if they sent Alysa Liu or Isabeau Levito to Jr Worlds while they're still age-eligible.

 

[Karen-W]

@Karen-W recently posted the Junior Pairs entries at Bavarian Open (they compete on Jan. 22-23) in the competition thread in Kiss & Cry:

1 JURISIC Paola / SAVENKOV Michail AUT 1 [NEW; debut here]
2 ARIANO KENT Martina / LALIBERTE LAURENT Charly CAN 2
3 KEMP Ava / ELIZAROV Yohnatan CAN 2
4 COHEN Debora Anna / VOCHOZKA Lukas CZE 3
5 KVIDEROVA Alzbeta / KLEMENT Jindrich CZE 3
6 ZILKOVA Johanka / BECERRA Matyas Rafael CZE 3
7 MOUDDEN Ines / GARCIA Alejandro Lazaro ESP 4
8 YUDIN Megan / ROSSI LOPEZ Patrizio Romano ESP 4 [NEW this season; debut here]
9 EHRHARD Louise / PELLEGRIS Matthis FRA 5
10 LIGET-LATUS Clelia / FISHER Allan Daniel FRA 5
11 DAVISON Neamh / BORISOV Daniel GBR 6
12 LOEWENHERZ Sonja / LOEWENHERZ Robert GER 7
13 SALATZKI Katalin Janne / ROESELER Lukas GER 7
14 WILBERFORCE Lily / BEREI Mozes Jozsef HUN 8 [NEW; debut here]
15 NAPOLITANO Irina / COMI Edoardo ITA 9
16 PAZIENZA Chiara Michaela / KNORR Maxim SUI 10
17 VOUILLAMOZ Oxana / BOUVART Tom SUI 10 [NEW this season; Junior int'l debut here for Junior Worlds CTES; scheduled for Euros]
18 HECKOVA Laura / VALKY Alex SVK 11

Who else in this list is still looking for the Junior Worlds CTES of 63?

All the teams you marked with * in this post -

2024-25 Pairs General Discussion - Who Wants to Skate Forever (in Junior Pairs)?

If it was the end of the season now, would the top 24 teams be guaranteed two Grand Prix’s next season No. SB Top 24 only guarantees 1 GP. Same with WS Top 24 (and even that isn't necessarily the case - both Caldara/Maglio & the Mokhovs were in the WS Top 24 at the end of last season, but...

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[Sylvia]

All the teams you marked with * in this post -

Yikes, totally forgot to look upthread - no wonder I had a feeling of déjà vu while I was typing that post! CTES of 63 is attainable for 3, maybe 4, of the Junior pairs below:

From the CTES Junior Pairs list: https://results.isu.org/isujsstat/CTES/ctespjustjun.htm

Alzbeta KVIDEROVA / Jindrich KLEMENT	CZE	56.10	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	02/11/2024	18.84	J	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	03/11/2024	37.26	J
Johanka ZILKOVA / Matyas Rafael BECERRA	CZE	49.54	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	02/11/2024	20.87	J	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	03/11/2024	28.67	J
Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIA	ESP	62.61	Diamond Spin 2024	19/10/2024	23.63	J	Diamond Spin 2024	20/10/2024	38.98	J
Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHER	FRA	43.46	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	05/09/2024	14.67	J	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	28.79	J
Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOV	GBR	43.34	ISU JGP Riga Cup 2024	29/08/2024	13.40	J	John Nicks Pairs Competition 2024	04/09/2024	29.94	J
Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORR	SUI	61.69	Budapest Trophy 2024	11/10/2024	24.78	J	Budapest Trophy 2024	12/10/2024	36.91	J
Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKY	SVK	58.05	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	05/09/2024	25.05	J	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	33.00	J

 

[Karen-W]

Yikes, totally forgot to look upthread - no wonder I had a feeling of déjà vu while I was typing that post! CTES of 63 is attainable for 3, maybe 4, of the Junior pairs below:

From the CTES Junior Pairs list: https://results.isu.org/isujsstat/CTES/ctespjustjun.htm

Alzbeta KVIDEROVA / Jindrich KLEMENT	CZE	56.10	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	02/11/2024	18.84	J	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	03/11/2024	37.26	J
Johanka ZILKOVA / Matyas Rafael BECERRA	CZE	49.54	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	02/11/2024	20.87	J	16th Tirnavia Ice Cup 2024	03/11/2024	28.67	J
Ines MOUDDEN / Alejandro Lazaro GARCIA	ESP	62.61	Diamond Spin 2024	19/10/2024	23.63	J	Diamond Spin 2024	20/10/2024	38.98	J
Clelia LIGET-LATUS / Allan Daniel FISHER	FRA	43.46	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	05/09/2024	14.67	J	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	06/09/2024	28.79	J
Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOV	GBR	43.34	ISU JGP Riga Cup 2024	29/08/2024	13.40	J	John Nicks Pairs Competition 2024	04/09/2024	29.94	J
Chiara Michaela PAZIENZA / Maxim KNORR	SUI	61.69	Budapest Trophy 2024	11/10/2024	24.78	J	Budapest Trophy 2024	12/10/2024	36.91	J
Laura HECKOVA / Alex VALKY	SVK	58.05	ISU JGP Czech Skate 2024	05/09/2024	25.05	J	ISU JGP Ankara 2024	20/09/2024	33.00	J

Agreed - Kviderova/Klement, Moudden/Garcia, Pazienza/Knorr and Heckova/Valky seem to be within reach.

I looked at the results from Spanish Nats and I think it's doable for Yudin/Rossi Lopez also - their TES there was higher than Moudden/Garcia.

I don't think it's at all doable for Jurisic/Savenkov based on their results from Austrian Nats though.

Wilberforce/Berei - possibly? He was able to earn the Jr Worlds TES mins last year with Nora Roethenbuehler; so if Lily is a stronger partner, they may surprise us at Bavarian Open.